What is 'Bit Meter' for?

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2007/01/30 06:36:42 (permalink)

What is 'Bit Meter' for?

It flashes lights all purdy and that, but what do I use it for?

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    RE: What is 'Bit Meter' for? 2007/01/30 06:41:51 (permalink)
    I was going to post that same question. I noticed if i set it to 24, all the pretty colors dance at 24, if i set it at 16, all the colors dance at 16.. and if i set it to manual(i think thats the name) they do the conga all over the place

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    RE: What is 'Bit Meter' for? 2007/01/30 07:26:44 (permalink)
    I believe it just shows you at what bit resolution your audio is being processed at. So, if it's not dancing above 16, no need to dither... stuff like that.
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    RE: What is 'Bit Meter' for? 2007/01/30 07:54:22 (permalink)
    It was originally intended as a demonstration tool for shows and clinics, etc. The BitMeter shows typical distribution of the numbers representing the audio within various bit depths.

    Set it to 16 to see how your audio would be represented on a CD

    Set it to 24 to see how your audio might be represented over your 24Bit soundcard, or when exported to a 24Bit file.

    Set it to Float and see how your audio would be represented in either 32 or 64 Bit floats (this will switch automatically depending on the "Double Precision" setting in Options|Audio.

    For an interesting Demo.
    1. Patch three bitmeters in a bus. Set one to 16, another to 24, the last to Float.
    2. Patch a synth and choose a patch with a long (maybe 5 seconds) release time
    3. Record a one-note clip to play thru the synth.
    4. Make sure effect tails after stopping is on.

    Play the song and watch the meters. As the sound of the synth decays, you will see when the least significant bit of a CD stops changing and goes dim. After this point, there would be nothing on the CD.

    But you will continue to see some of the least significant bits of the 24 still flickering. When the last of those is gone, there is no more sound over your soundcard (or in a 24Bit file).

    But - wow - look at how long the Float bits keep going - especially if set to Double Precision.

    The idea is to show that in a large project, the finest details of the contribution of that synth would still be mixed into the final product LONG after that synth would stop being rendered on a CD or even a high-end sound card.

    And of course the fact that it will ONLY show 64 Lights in SONAR doesn't hurt

    But besides all that, it does have the pretty lights.


    ORIGINAL: Rothchild

    It flashes lights all purdy and that, but what do I use it for?

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    post edited by Bob Damiano [Cakewalk] - 2007/01/30 10:17:01

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    RE: What is 'Bit Meter' for? 2007/01/30 08:04:32 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Bob Damiano [Cakewalk]

    But besides all that, you can look at the pretty lights.




    Any chance of a 1280x1024 version?

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    RE: What is 'Bit Meter' for? 2007/01/30 09:49:58 (permalink)
    hey John!-

    this I think shows you what I meant in an earlier post about losing bit resolution at lower levels... you get the full compliment of bits, it's just that there are fewer of them describing the soundwave, and more of them describing 0, as your soundwave gets closer and closer to silence. Or something like that... I'm probably not too good at "describing" this technically my own self! More bits "on", or "1", more amplitude- more bits "off", or "0"- less amplitude...

    This is of course why people invented dither for when you approach silence-

    something like that...! I think-
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    RE: What is 'Bit Meter' for? 2007/01/30 09:56:12 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: torhan

    ORIGINAL: Bob Damiano [Cakewalk]

    But besides all that, you can look at the pretty lights.




    Any chance of a 1280x1024 version?



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    RE: What is 'Bit Meter' for? 2007/01/30 10:29:21 (permalink)
    I've heard that some folks are making a good living at carnivals by guessing the name of a piece of music when they cannot hear it but can see the bit patterns in bit meter. They are only really good at this when they use the full 64 bits, however.
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    RE: What is 'Bit Meter' for? 2007/01/30 10:41:49 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Bob Damiano [Cakewalk]
    As the sound of the synth decays, you will see when the least significant bit of a CD stops changing and goes dim. After this point, there would be nothing on the CD.


    For accuracy sake, I have to point out that if the signal is properly dithered, it will be encoded on the CD albeit below the dither noise floor.

    That having been said, this is a great professional addition to Sonar. This can be very usefull to test plugins and see wether they are not doing something "illegal" with the signal or if the plugin is functioning at lesser bit depth than the mix engine etc.

    An interesting this is that the bitmeter in float mode seems to shows that bits are being toggled even when there is no signal. Or rather after the signal should have died out. Well I really need to experiment a bit more to see what is really happening.

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    post edited by UnderTow - 2007/01/30 11:05:06
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    RE: What is 'Bit Meter' for? 2007/01/30 12:07:06 (permalink)
    i think it's so all the Sonar users can go .. "look you PT ****es !! my Sonar keeps going long
    after your 24bit piece of poo truncates out" .. sadly, it all get truncated out when it
    hits CD/MP3 . . but .. at least we have validation that the 64bit pipeline is churning
    along as advertised ;-)

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    RE: What is 'Bit Meter' for? 2007/01/30 12:15:24 (permalink)
    Good for doing true NULL tests!
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    RE: What is 'Bit Meter' for? 2007/01/30 12:33:32 (permalink)
    i think it's so all the Sonar users can go .. "look you PT ****es !! my Sonar keeps going long
    after your 24bit piece of poo truncates out"


    Sonar is the Duracell bunny!

    But... PT uses 48-point fixed, not 24-bit.
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    RE: What is 'Bit Meter' for? 2007/01/30 12:46:00 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: UnderTow
    For accuracy sake, I have to point out that if the signal is properly dithered, it will be encoded on the CD albeit below the dither noise floor.

    ... only if a) dither is being applied (rather than straight truncation) and b) the bits are there in the first place. The idea being, I think, to give a visual indication of what is happening in the 64-bit mix engine that would not be happening - and thus, not be there to be encoded / not encoded - in a lower-resolution mix bus.

    but I also know that you understand that perfectly well...

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    I've heard that some folks are making a good living at carnivals by guessing the name of a piece of music when they cannot hear it but can see the bit patterns in bit meter. They are only really good at this when they use the full 64 bits, however.

    that was good for a chuckle... I can see it now, stumping the carnies with bitmeter running at 24... 'I know it's by Steely Dan, but I can't quite make out whether it's Your Gold Teeth 1 or 2... OK, ok, here's your stuffed tasmanian devil., go away kid, you bother me'

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    RE: What is 'Bit Meter' for? 2007/01/30 14:22:54 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: ooblecaboodle

    i think it's so all the Sonar users can go .. "look you PT ****es !! my Sonar keeps going long
    after your 24bit piece of poo truncates out"


    Sonar is the Duracell bunny!

    But... PT uses 48-point fixed, not 24-bit.


    Well .. kind a sorta ..

    On HD/TDM, the Mixer app that's resident on the hardware has 48 bit fixed point
    at the summation points... the TDM insert channels are 24bit and the max depth
    that a BWF/WAV file can be is 24bit.

    On LE/MP, the pipeline is 32bit floats..

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    RE: What is 'Bit Meter' for? 2007/02/03 06:15:15 (permalink)
    Where the hell is it? (Re)Scan your Plugs... Then look in VST audio list...
    post edited by Dave Horch - 2007/02/04 07:42:48
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    RE: What is 'Bit Meter' for? 2007/02/04 05:54:39 (permalink)
    ...
    post edited by Dave Horch - 2007/02/04 07:41:32
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    RE: What is 'Bit Meter' for? 2007/02/04 08:48:35 (permalink)
    On LE/MP, the pipeline is 32bit floats..

    Now that, I didn't realise.
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