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2009/04/23 13:45:15 (permalink)

too old for music

At times I'm wondering why society (some that is) thinks older
people playing music isn't cool. I just watched the Doobie Brothers
playing live in T shirts and jeans. It was far more fun than watching
a bunch of dancers surrounding a dancing pop artist.

Also i can go as far to say that "I try" to have an appreciation
for the fluff thats more a visual show than music. It's as if to say
I try not be bias'ed about it. are the yungins' thinking of us as
old boring geasers?

and are we old geasers thinking of them as young boring farts?
I was talking to a young lady the other day that i've known since
she was very young. I asked if she still listens to all the different
styles of music like she did way back? She smiled and said yes.

I thought that was so cool. country,rock,pop,blues,jazz etc.
but when a person picks one genre or style and calls that the
only good music there is that makes me wonder if some
people should wake up and that music is an art not a
comadity. (If I'm saying that right)

I realize some things never change so why even speak of it?
I do so because knowing a person like the lady I mention is
heart warming to know. Can you imagine a metal head having
a collection of bluegrass in they're collection?.

Maybe you know others like that but i can only think of her
if I was asked to name how many.

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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/23 14:20:04 (permalink)
    I am too old for music, but i do it anyway.

    My 12 year daughter told me kids are obligated to love music that their parents hate....I am in trouble.


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    post edited by auto_da_fe - 2009/04/23 14:29:40
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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/23 14:21:42 (permalink)
    I hate to say it, but we started allowing young people to be educated to the lowest common denominator (I saw it changing in the 1980s) and we have reaped what we've sown: a generation that has a short attention span and little appreciation for depth, much less anything abstract. I struggle daily to overcome this programming with my two teens but it's an uphill, exhaustive battle. "We just don't care about that stuff, dad."

    That stuff. Like real art. Real music. Real literature.

    I don't know the answer to this dumbing down situation. Maybe the next generation will rebel against it? We rock-and-roll grandparents can hope...
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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/23 14:30:39 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: auto_da_fe

    I am too old for music, but i do it anyway.

    My 12 year daughter told me kids are obligated to love music that their parents hate....I am in trouble.


    JR


    That is golden!

    start buying all the stuff she plays that you hate and start humming it.
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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/23 15:00:34 (permalink)
    Some of the best musicians today are the oldest. Check this out.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qgs8Ccr5oQ


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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/23 15:20:49 (permalink)
    Some of the best musicians today are the oldest. Check this out.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qgs8Ccr5oQ


    is that "one" guy playing the twin guitar work of dicky betts
    and duane almond? I never thought of that! One guy playing
    twin guitars. but then again clasical guitarist play like this with counterpoint and such. interesting
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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/23 15:39:04 (permalink)
    You are never to old for music


    The young lady you talked about is not only one that listens to different kinds of music, I know at least two more


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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/23 15:40:49 (permalink)
    Can you speak up dammit? i can't hear a word you're saying!!!!

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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/23 16:04:13 (permalink)
    Anyone seen Jeff Beck in the last few years? I would venture to say that Jeff is at the peak of his performance.

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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/23 16:16:53 (permalink)
    I'd show those young whipper snappers a thing or two about music, but I threw my ^%^&%* back out.

    Come back here you miserable ingrates.......why I oughta.....

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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/23 16:22:08 (permalink)

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    Anyone seen Jeff Beck in the last few years? I would venture to say that Jeff is at the peak of his performance.


    I'll be seeing Gary Moore at Bristol's Colston Hall next week. Looking forward to that!

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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/23 16:39:42 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: space_cowboy

    Anyone seen Jeff Beck in the last few years? I would venture to say that Jeff is at the peak of his performance.


    Pretty much the last word. God's Guitarist, and always an inch away from the cutting edge.

    I'm not too old for music (although age has brought some physical issues that make it harder), just too old to think that I'm gonna "make it" in any particular manner. In this image-driven, young-and-sexy marketplace where style trumps substance. there's no positioning a slightly greying, could-stand-to-lose-20lbs guitar player.

    This isn't ****ing, just a simple acknowledgement of the way things are - and I'm fine with that, mostly because I know that I can still tear a guitar to pieces onstage.

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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/23 17:05:48 (permalink)
    When I was young I used to think it was ridiculous that my parents were listening to Frank Sinatra, re-doing the songs that they remembered from their youth long after his voice had faded into a bad memory. Now, I have to admit, I think it is ridiuclous that my peers are listening to elderly rockers doing nostalgia tours, and pledge week specials on PBS.

    At some point age necessarily degrades performance. Sometimes this is compensated by subtle improvements in interpretation (musical wisdom?). Clearly, some performers will maintain their capabilities and inventiveness longer than others, and some will die before their performance becomes really embarassing. But you have to ask yourself if the audience for a geriatric performer is primarily his elderly fans from the decade of his stardom, whether they are there to hear the style they find that younger performers have never mastered, or whether they are indulging their nostalgia.

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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/23 17:25:19 (permalink)
    I'd say at 27, I fall more into the young-whipper-snapper category, myself. However, being a musician has certainly affected my musical choices, and being in bands over the years made me fall victim to the classic "anything commercial is automatically crap" mindset for a few years. In fact, I still avoid the radio, MTV, the Grammys, etc. for this reason, though in recent years I have let some pretty commercial stuff enter my sphere. For example, I found Fountains Of Wayne all by myself, completely unaware that "Stacey's Mom" was all over MTV (due in large part to a certain MILF supermodel).

    My girlfriend, a non-musician, but definitely a music lover, will listen to popular artists based on factors more akin to the classic American Bandstand's "It's got a beat and I can dance to it". She also is into lyrics, which is a higher criteria than a lot of pop listeners will filter through. I would say she's a good example of a young generation music listener. She's a good test case.

    Being a musician has led me to evolve more criteria for accepting a band or artist as "good". I am not a lyrics person (I read somewhere that's a left vs. right brained thing... I'm definitely a right-brained person), and I require more than just a dance beat, so categorically, Rap, Dance, and Celebutante (Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake, etc.) music gets a prejudiced shove out of my house. There are exceptions though, getting back to the point of this thread. Outcast is a rap group, and while I generally can't stand rap, they have a lot of really great songs, which perk my ears because they draw on other genres for influence.

    Being in a band has led me to follow certain trends well and far away from what is popular (indeed, the more underground the better sometimes). My first gig was in a ska band, so I absorbed a taste for ska, punk and reggae in my late teens/early twenties, and these are still genres which get heavy preference today. Moving on toward something approaching mainstream rock, I developed a preference for the bands/artists that influence the sound of the groups I am/have been in, and thus have developed a deep appreciation for music that is not necessarily mainstream. Not a lot of 27 year olds have Peter Gabriel, Alan Parsons and Paul Simon at the top of their favorites list. However I also listen to more mainstream stuff like Dave Matthews Band, Barenaked Ladies. However I will only listen to stuff that I find on my own time. I absolutely refuse to be spoon fed "what is cool" by the media. I think this is what sets people like me apart from what you consider to be the young generation of tasteless people.

    I think you''' find, Texrat, that when your kids get to that age where independant thought really starts to kick in (late high school to college), their music choices will dramatically expand. I think it is a staple of the American youth's coming of age process to cast off what they are being led to, and rebel by forming their own opinions. Sometimes it's Chopin, sometimes it's NPR, sometimes it's Nietzsche. Even my girlfriend, who's tastes are much more commercial than my own, will gravitate toward things she finds on her own rather than what is on MTV. She has taste, and as my test case, I will say that once I turned her on to Pandora.com, her tastes became a lot more her own, and less about what was being played in the media.

    If you're still reading this diatribe, I apologize for my keyboard diarrhea. I guess I wanted to explain (if somewhat long winded) that not all young people are declining in their musical tastes.

    Though, personally, I can't stand The Doobie Brothers either.

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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/23 17:41:10 (permalink)
    I guess I wanted to explain (if somewhat long winded) that not all young people are declining in their musical tastes.


    I think the complaint is at least as old as far as our literature goes back in time, and is most likely a lot older than that - meaning that if it were true, we'd be less than savages by now.

    So the sentiment must come from somewhere - or people wouldn't express it - yet it can hardly be true.

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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/23 18:05:00 (permalink)
    Every generation says "my time is unique". And that's true to some extent.

    I know I'm generalizing with my previous post, but what I was getting at goes far beyond a simple "the music of generation ____ sucks". In America at least, we seem to have reached a cultural peak around the mid 80s and so many things have been in decline since. To me, the high school failure rate (isn't it around 50% now?) correlates with what I was saying about the arts. The appreciation has, I am certain, depreciated in general. I can't quantify this statement, but I know life moves at a faster rate now than it did in the 1970s. In fact one would naturally expect life to slow down in advancing years. It did for my grandparents. But we no longer have the luxury of time we had a few decades ago. The general pace of life is frenetic. Product turnover is at an unsustainable rate and that includes music.

    When the end product was a hard item, like a vinyl album or cassette or 8 track (!!!) or even a CD, the music industry could afford for songs to chart long. They lobbied for it in fact (remember payola? lol). But I think we know that in the mp3-driven era the opposite has come to be. Songs are expressly engineered (I think the dynamic range issue is involved here) to shoot up the charts and then die a quick death. The industry now needs a high rate of turnover to make money. Very sad.

    I'm rambling too and sorry for that. I just bemoan the loss of our last cultural renaissance, and just hope the next one hurries up...

    EDIT: actually I can quantify my statement about luxury of time. Increasing rates of human productivity are mainly due to increased labor, not automation. I read a report on that a few years ago that was eye-opening to say the least. We work harder, NOT smarter. Insane.
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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/23 18:49:50 (permalink)
    Fair enough, in your arguments, Texrat and Roflcopter. Though in one perspective, you both are arguing against your point. I say this respectfully, because I do respect what you are saying, but saying that there was a cultural peak in the 80's sounds to a person at my age as another way of saying "Back in my day, things were better". This can be attributed to Roflcopter's point that any generation will take an added interest in the music of it's own people. If you grew up with it, and made it your own, it carries more weight than that of your parents'.

    My point, or one of them anyway, is that while the youth of today are generally illustrated as consuming complete musical crap like Britney Spears and Paris Hilton, there are plenty of people my age that respect earlier work, as well as recognize what passes for mainstream pop is hardly indicative of musical ability, where technology covers artistic inadequecy, (see: Kanye West). I think that the mass media music market, while still churning out crap consumed by the high school demographic, has spawned a rebeliion of sorts within this 15-25 age group, where they look past the commercialism and focus on substance. Obviously the pop stuff is selling, but so are so many other genres. Indie Rock is an offshoot attracting huge numbers. Part of the reason that genres like that are not part of the mass media spectrum is that, combined with all the other fantastic flavors of modern music which do not include mainstream, they are fractioned so much that while they as a whole represent a large listening audience, no single genre even vaguely competes with the MTV swill (painting with a broad brush).

    To say that the music of the younger generation pales in comparison to the staples of the "classic rock" generation is just false (use this as an example based on your mention of the Doobie Brothers). A lot of what is considered classic rock, and therefore revered, has a lot to do with the circumstances and subject matter within which it was created, and taken superficially, on a comparison of it's musicality/artistry alone is not particularly stellar. The weight of the music inspired by the cultural revolution of the 60's is certainly a factor in it's longevity. But to say that Led Zeppelin beats out Wolfmother because it was there first is a falacious argument. I'm fairly ambivalent to both of them, but I can tell you Wolfmother is certainly in the same league with LZ in musicianship, showmanship, song composition, and in creating their own sound. Sure, they took a page from LZ, but they are doing their own thing with it. And it's not as though LZ pulled their sound out of thin air.

    It could also be argued that while the music popular in part due to the culture of the 60's is at some level sacred to those people that lived those times. There are still plenty of cultural clashes that inspire brilliant music in these modern times. Punk rock, while not generally flowing with instrumental artistry, is lyrically impassioned by the current degredation of our country on a political level. For evidence of this, compare the lyrics of Bob Dylan or as you please, against those of Bad Religion.

    To come back around, Texrat, there is a large consumption of mass marketed hits, to which I am in agreement, does not represent an escalation in our culture. However, there is so much fantastic music, that, when looking impartially, and without the weight of their respective environment, is just as good or better than the music created prior to this mid-80's peak you speak of. And because it is so varied, it is not focused upon like "pop" is, though when combined they represent an extemely broad section of the demographic in question. MTV will continue to focus attention on the Jessica Simpsons, while better music like Ted Leo or Imogen Heap is out there, getting heard by plenty of people, and getting better all the time.

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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/23 19:23:44 (permalink)
    there are plenty of people my age that respect earlier work, as well as recognize what passes for mainstream pop is hardly indicative of musical ability,


    Yes, that's also true. I am amazed at least a couple of times a week when I read some comment under an older performance on youtube, of some youngster who sighs about 'this being the real thang', 'still real music' and expressing some gripe over today's music - and they were all of 2 or 3 years old when that particular song was recorded.

    So there is at least one part of the demographic rowing upstream, for lack of a better term.

    Which was my original point - the sentiment must come from somewhere - I can remember reading Latin stuff in school expressing the exact same sentiment - but something sabotages it, and culture just keeps refining itself.

    I also wonder what someone like Mozart would think of the quality of the performances of his pieces today vs those in his day. Frankly I think he would have to sit down and cry. For joy. Don't think it ever sounded as good as it *can*, today.

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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/23 19:47:46 (permalink)
    I understand this attachment to music of an individual's youth, but personally do not experience it much, and this I'm not sure I have an explanation for.
    Most of the differences are due to the nature of the times, both in creation and reception. Reflections of eras. Like photographs.
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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/23 20:02:32 (permalink)
    Excellently stated, Ikaru. I commend the articulation of your points. Wanna ghost write my posts?

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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/23 20:09:07 (permalink)

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    Excellently stated, Ikaru. I commend the articulation of your points. Wanna ghost write my posts?


    Who says I'm writing my own posts?

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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/23 20:39:31 (permalink)
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    Fair enough, in your arguments, Texrat and Roflcopter. Though in one perspective, you both are arguing against your point. I say this respectfully, because I do respect what you are saying, but saying that there was a cultural peak in the 80's sounds to a person at my age as another way of saying "Back in my day, things were better". This can be attributed to Roflcopter's point that any generation will take an added interest in the music of it's own people. If you grew up with it, and made it your own, it carries more weight than that of your parents'.

    My point, or one of them anyway, is that while the youth of today are generally illustrated as consuming complete musical crap like Britney Spears and Paris Hilton, there are plenty of people my age that respect earlier work, as well as recognize what passes for mainstream pop is hardly indicative of musical ability, where technology covers artistic inadequecy, (see: Kanye West). I think that the mass media music market, while still churning out crap consumed by the high school demographic, has spawned a rebeliion of sorts within this 15-25 age group, where they look past the commercialism and focus on substance. Obviously the pop stuff is selling, but so are so many other genres. Indie Rock is an offshoot attracting huge numbers. Part of the reason that genres like that are not part of the mass media spectrum is that, combined with all the other fantastic flavors of modern music which do not include mainstream, they are fractioned so much that while they as a whole represent a large listening audience, no single genre even vaguely competes with the MTV swill (painting with a broad brush).

    To say that the music of the younger generation pales in comparison to the staples of the "classic rock" generation is just false (use this as an example based on your mention of the Doobie Brothers). A lot of what is considered classic rock, and therefore revered, has a lot to do with the circumstances and subject matter within which it was created, and taken superficially, on a comparison of it's musicality/artistry alone is not particularly stellar. The weight of the music inspired by the cultural revolution of the 60's is certainly a factor in it's longevity. But to say that Led Zeppelin beats out Wolfmother because it was there first is a falacious argument. I'm fairly ambivalent to both of them, but I can tell you Wolfmother is certainly in the same league with LZ in musicianship, showmanship, song composition, and in creating their own sound. Sure, they took a page from LZ, but they are doing their own thing with it. And it's not as though LZ pulled their sound out of thin air.

    It could also be argued that while the music popular in part due to the culture of the 60's is at some level sacred to those people that lived those times. There are still plenty of cultural clashes that inspire brilliant music in these modern times. Punk rock, while not generally flowing with instrumental artistry, is lyrically impassioned by the current degredation of our country on a political level. For evidence of this, compare the lyrics of Bob Dylan or as you please, against those of Bad Religion.

    To come back around, Texrat, there is a large consumption of mass marketed hits, to which I am in agreement, does not represent an escalation in our culture. However, there is so much fantastic music, that, when looking impartially, and without the weight of their respective environment, is just as good or better than the music created prior to this mid-80's peak you speak of. And because it is so varied, it is not focused upon like "pop" is, though when combined they represent an extemely broad section of the demographic in question. MTV will continue to focus attention on the Jessica Simpsons, while better music like Ted Leo or Imogen Heap is out there, getting heard by plenty of people, and getting better all the time.


    I don't see how you've shown me to argue against my own point. In fact I disagree with Roflcopter's to an extent.

    And my life has spanned the 60s to present, which gives me (and many others here) perspective that a 20-something just flat cannot have (not saying anyone in particular).

    I'm also talking ratios, too. I guarantee you are not seeing now the levels of creativity and commitment, in general, that we saw in the 60s and 70s. Not even close. Yes, there are exceptions and I am always overjoyed to encounter them. But I've sat and watched the ratios degrade. It's an across the board thing as I said. The arts are de-emphasized in American culture in general. Making a quick buck is emphasized to the detriment of creativity.

    MP3s are intangible. Disposable. LPs were not.

    I've watched as high schools scrapped art, theater, music and shop classes. I watched as my community killed an Arts and Sciences magnet school because parents thought it would be a waste-- whereas up until the 90s those sprung up all over around here.

    Society is more disposable now than ever before. I think most of that can acknowledge that, and the mindset has insinuated itself into music. It used to be you'd get maybe 1 Britney Spears for every 10 John Hyatts or James Taylors or Muddy Waters or Carole Kings, etc. Now? I think it's flipped in the era of American-let's-concoct-a-superstar-Idol.

    The "circumstances under which" the likes of the awesome Doobie Brothers arose do not exist now. Conglomerates sucked up independent radio stations and spat out programmed DJ-less Jack FM. That's what you defenders of today's status quo do not get. The environment has changed, and the product with it. Our government has allowed monopolization to lead to deterioration. Radio is not as inventive, as flexible, as open.

    I defy anyone to tell me radio today is better than it was from the 50s through 80s. There is just no way. It is too segmented, stilted, and stuck. It sucks.

    You will not see any Willie Nelsons arise these days. Ugly does not sell.

    Oh and I'm willing to acknowledge the better music that came before my generation. No way I can downplay Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Pachelbel, etc. Even Bach has been vindicated for his pop travesty. But music renaissances go in cycles that correlate to other social trends. That's another thing you're not getting. The social status quo in America is declining too-- we've been outsourcing it.

    But I stick with my opinion. I've watched the change for the worse. Now, if the promised world of artists making their own fortune had come about by now I'd reconsider. But we're not quite there yet and if business and government get their way we won't be. There's a lot of money and inertia against a renaissance of the independents.

    I'd love to be more positive on this one, but been there, sadly watched that.
    post edited by Texrat - 2009/04/23 20:49:01
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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/23 21:53:30 (permalink)
    I've been aware of the broad range of music taste by people my whole life and the only thing I care to know is what I enjoy.

    When I go out to eat a good meal I don't care what everybody else is eating. They can eat ____for all I care and they can listen to____for all I care. The only important factor is if I enjoy it.

    I'm getting old and grumpy....no...I've felt that way since I can remember.

    Alright now...why is the music that you like so much better than the music that I like? Not a question I care to answer. My dog's bigger than your dog....my dog's...

    No Jimmy this wasn't pointed at you or anybody else...just me...these words are my thoughts, for me to live with and just thought I'd share them...for any or no worth at all.


    removed to harsh, opinionated statement. bad day.

    post edited by spacey - 2009/04/23 23:13:58
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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/23 22:03:15 (permalink)
    I'm also talking ratios, too. I guarantee you are not seeing now the levels of creativity and commitment, in general, that we saw in the 60s and 70s. Not even close. Yes, there are exceptions and I am always overjoyed to encounter them.


    Gotta agree with that. C'mon, all of us geezers - remember FM in the 70's? In the course of an hour you could go from Tom Petty to Yes to Pure Prarie to Mahavishnu to Tull to Joni Mitchell to Dan Hicks to....... That's without turning the dial...

    The sheer onslaught of creativity during that period of time, the staggering diversity of the artists that were making a significant impact, is one of my most formative concepts about music, one of the first things that hearing music makes me feel. Great stuff, great times.

    Ric
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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/23 22:10:27 (permalink)
    THAT is what I'm talking about. Thanks.
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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/23 22:40:49 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: ricstudioc

    I'm also talking ratios, too. I guarantee you are not seeing now the levels of creativity and commitment, in general, that we saw in the 60s and 70s. Not even close. Yes, there are exceptions and I am always overjoyed to encounter them.


    Gotta agree with that. C'mon, all of us geezers - remember FM in the 70's? In the course of an hour you could go from Tom Petty to Yes to Pure Prarie to Mahavishnu to Tull to Joni Mitchell to Dan Hicks to....... That's without turning the dial...

    The sheer onslaught of creativity during that period of time, the staggering diversity of the artists that were making a significant impact, is one of my most formative concepts about music, one of the first things that hearing music makes me feel. Great stuff, great times.


    That's happening here.

    s o n g s

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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/23 22:58:32 (permalink)
    I'll give ya that ^, No How. God bless microcosms!
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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/24 08:57:10 (permalink)
    remember FM in the 70's? In the course of an hour you could go from Tom Petty to Yes to Pure Prarie to Mahavishnu to Tull to Joni Mitchell to Dan Hicks to....... That's without turning the dial...

    The sheer onslaught of creativity during that period of time, the staggering diversity of the artists that were making a significant impact, is one of my most formative concepts about music, one of the first things that hearing music makes me feel. Great stuff, great times.


    Ric

    you and others have some good points. as i read your comments
    it made something clear to me. your words quoted here could be
    read over and over by anyone needing a summery about this subject.


    it also makes me remember some of the intent for me bringing
    up the subject. one of the reasons is for us all to come togther
    we dont have to share the same taste but we do share the likeness
    of music. As i think about the deversity of musical artist like you
    mention something comes to mind.

    the station would play a tune by one artist i didnt like. then a
    tune by another that was just so so. then another by a group that
    exited me to hear. but i never thoght the songs i didnt like shouldnt
    be played.

    youve done a great job of summimg up the matter. however there
    is even more said in your words tham one might realize. (good that
    is). back then they just did it and played artist like you mention.

    some stations try to do that today but it doesnt work very well. why?
    there basically is no deversity in the artist. jehtro tull and james tayler
    played on the same station? allthoough the artist were so different
    in style they yet shared something in common too.

    its funny that a young person hearing an old person saying
    "those were the good ol days" seems condinsating to thim. i once
    had guitar teacher tell me if all the radio played was cello music
    thats what we'd listen to.

    what if there were no such thing as rap or hip hop? whats
    happening today is young people are becoming a part of the image
    of music. its a virtual reality. when i was young i was infuennced
    in one way or another by music and still am today. but i dont
    try to be a clone of an artist or there attitude.

    for those people who concider older music and such as being
    bad music or newer music being bad music think of this.
    we are trying to preserve the indangered species of some animals.
    why? some would say who cares? a person who ask's this question
    is actualy saying they don't care.

    my mom used to listen to stuff that to me was pretty boring
    when i was young however because she like it i listened to it too.
    it wasnt "hey mom" put it on a rock station. your old and that
    stuff is out of date. so back to the indangered species subject.
    its about not just preserving the animals but its also not
    poisening as well.

    even us old geeaers should play a roll in music today in one
    way or another because we've been there. we have storys to
    tell that young people should know. they are going to be an
    old geezer one day too. When music becomes offensive thats
    where i draw the line.

    Ric
    none of this is at you. all im doing is taking your excelent
    remarks and thinking about it
    post edited by jimmyman - 2009/04/24 08:59:18
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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/24 09:30:13 (permalink)
    The operative word today is Narrowcasting.

    I know why media providers want to do it, but I think it robs us all eventually.
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    RE: too old for music 2009/04/24 10:20:35 (permalink)
    I must be getting old.

    I remember a Blue Oyster Cult concert I saw on satellite TV a few years back. I was in heaven - there were instrumental solos that went on for 8 or 10 minutes, and very articulately done. If you were there for flashing lights and a high-energy bump-and-grind dance routine, this was not the place to find it.

    And, I ran across a video on YouTube not too long ago of Glenn Shorrock, the original lead singer for Little River Band, doing one of the big singles from the 70s with a small acoustic ensemble. I suppose he's in his 60s now. Vocally, he's obviously on the decline, but man, what a technique: he was finding ways to work around not having his youthful high range that didn't trash the song.

    I wonder how many of today's hottest pop stars will have that sustainability.

    Time for more coffee. And maybe some fiber...




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