tracks don't bounce?

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2013/11/09 03:56:06 (permalink)

tracks don't bounce?

I give up!! I know I'm overlooking something really simple, but I've searched the index, knowledge base, FAQ's, this forum to no avail. Bouncing tracks was so easy in MC6, A lot of sonar X3 looks the same alough much seems to be more user friendly. Yet I am stuck trying to bounce two tracks out of a project together. Every time I try, 27 so far, I started counting, The two tracks emerge as two 'cloned' tracks instead of a 'consolidated track. I tried the consolidate function but all it does is copy all tracks separately into a separate folder.  I'm sorry, but I'm really frustrated, I have spent over three hours trying to do this simple task so I can save my work and go to bed. It shouldn't be this hard I know. Can somebody please help me?

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    Re: tracks don't bounce? 2013/11/09 04:00:43 (permalink)
    What do you mean by 'bounce tracks out of a project altogether'?

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    Re: tracks don't bounce? 2013/11/09 04:31:19 (permalink)
    In X3
     
    If bouncing tracks to a new track (combining tracks together) ...
    1) In the Track View select the tracks you wish to bounce (highlight the track numbers of tracks you want)
    2) In the "Tracks" menu above the Track View select "Bounce to Tracks"
    3) In the dialogue box that pops up, it will default to the next empty track number
    4) In source category Channel Format of "Stereo" will give you one stereo track, "Mono" will give you two tracks (L and R mono respectively). Choose options you want, and click OK.
    5) You will get a new track from the selections you have chosen
     
    To export audio is similar... you must chose the track(s) you want before opening the export dialogue...
    1) In the Track View select the tracks you wish to export
    2) File -> Export -> Audio...
    3) A dialogue will open allowing you to name the file and select option you want. Select these and click "OK"

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    Re: tracks don't bounce? 2013/11/09 04:37:59 (permalink)
    Sorry, I mean, I have eight tracks in a project. I am trying to combine two of the tracks together in a separate track to export as a single file. this was I simple procedure in MC6, I simply highlight the tracks I wanted to bounce/mix together, and chose 'bounce tracks' and they would emerge together as a single track at the bottom of my project. The original tracks would be left unscathed in their original position. In sonar, all the 'bounce track' function does or all I can get it to do, is to simply duplicate each selected track at the bottom of the project. I apologize of the confusion, Thanks for the reply though!

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    Re: tracks don't bounce? 2013/11/09 04:41:05 (permalink)
    Thanks Mett! that is indeed the procedure I have been trying to accomplish for hours. I do select the stereo option as to not get two mono tracks. I just get additional copies of whatever I chose to 'bounce'.

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    Re: tracks don't bounce? 2013/11/09 04:41:57 (permalink)
    Another source for you is the X3 reference guide is also a good resource for you if learning X3  http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/kb/reader.aspx/2007013322
     
    Granted this file is HUGE (2094 pages) but is searchable (Ctrl-F). The Bounce to Tracks dialogue explanations have more detail on page 1703.
    post edited by mettelus - 2013/11/09 05:04:21

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    Re: tracks don't bounce? 2013/11/09 04:44:08 (permalink)
    You are saying you are doing what I explained and you are getting duplicate tracks instead of a bounce?
     
    If so, which version of X3 are you running?

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    Re: tracks don't bounce? 2013/11/09 05:04:30 (permalink)
    Sonar X3a  build 209  x64,
    thanks again, yes, I am indeed doing your instructions to the T, and it does always default to the next available track, (and I choose Stereo) although when it bounces, I get two stereo tracks that are exact duplicates of what I had tried to bounce. Thanks, I will read and see what I am missing.

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    Re: tracks don't bounce? 2013/11/09 05:07:48 (permalink)
    X3c is the most current version, you may be dealing with a bug from X3a there. I have X3c and cannot replicate it (is working as expected).
     
    The support page for X3 has the patch updates linked in it http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/product.aspx/SONAR-X3

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    Re: tracks don't bounce? 2013/11/09 05:20:06 (permalink)
    Tried to do a slow audible bounce. same results.

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    Re: tracks don't bounce? 2013/11/09 05:31:38 (permalink)
    Barring the patch update, a potential workaround is to export audio on those two tracks to a wav file and then import that wav file back into a new track in your project. But what you are seeing is a definite bug.

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    Re: tracks don't bounce? 2013/11/09 06:14:50 (permalink)
    I tried this and bouncing two tracks as "tracks" gives you another two tracks so it appears the OP is correct. I can't see why a multi-track bounce would create multiple tracks though - surely that is called copying?
     
    The simple solution is to solo the required tracks and choose "Entire Mix" rather than "Tracks". Works perfect.
     
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    Re: tracks don't bounce? 2013/11/09 06:53:59 (permalink)
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    I tried this and bouncing two tracks as "tracks" gives you another two tracks so it appears the OP is correct. I can't see why a multi-track bounce would create multiple tracks though - surely that is called copying?
     
    The simple solution is to solo the required tracks and choose "Entire Mix" rather than "Tracks". Works perfect.
     
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    Exactly.
     
    The number of tracks that are created by a bounce is wholly dependent upon the export options you choose in the dialog box.
     
    In this type of scenario where you want to combine the outputs of 2 separate tracks into a new one, you must use either Entire Mix or Main Outs
     
    One has to question WHY you're bouncing 2 tracks to a new one though? Once you've done this and you delete the originals, you lose all capability of separate editing/processing.

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    Re: tracks don't bounce? 2013/11/09 07:12:04 (permalink)
    The two tracks are complete and combine for a finished product. I did the upgrade as suggested with no joy. When the dialog box is given to bounce the tracks selected are what is offered in lieu of an entire mix. But I will indeed give it a try. Ill try the workaround as well with pulling the saved wav files into another project, that indeed may be the ticket. Thanks a million guys for the suggestions!!

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    Re: tracks don't bounce? 2013/11/09 07:22:20 (permalink)
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    I tried this and bouncing two tracks as "tracks" gives you another two tracks so it appears the OP is correct. I can't see why a multi-track bounce would create multiple tracks though - surely that is called copying?
     
    The simple solution is to solo the required tracks and choose "Entire Mix" rather than "Tracks". Works perfect.
     
    Grum.
     
     


    Exactly.
     
    The number of tracks that are created by a bounce is wholly dependent upon the export options you choose in the dialog box.
     
    In this type of scenario where you want to combine the outputs of 2 separate tracks into a new one, you must use either Entire Mix or Main Outs
     
    One has to question WHY you're bouncing 2 tracks to a new one though? Once you've done this and you delete the originals, you lose all capability of separate editing/processing.




    Exactly ... exactly
     
    The tracks must be selected, and "Entire Mix" in the options, but as Jonesey points out, have to question why you'd want to do that ?.
     
    You usually bounce a track for things like printing the effects / automation.
    Bouncing was working fine for me in X3a, X3b, and now in X3c.
     
    Hope you get thins sorted anyway.
     
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    Re: tracks don't bounce? 2013/11/09 07:38:53 (permalink)
    Hey! The 'entire mix' seems to be the fix! Thanks Jonesy. Now I can finally get some sleep! You guys Rock! Thanks so much!!

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    Re: tracks don't bounce? 2013/11/09 07:50:25 (permalink)
    Ugh, prime example of why being able to readily insert a screen capture of that dialogue would be nice to have in the forum.
     
    FYI Joy, when you get to offloading, you must select tracks you want even using "Entire Mix" (the "entire" means everything you selected, not the entire project file).
     
    As to the "why".. I bounce tracks this way often prior to final export so that FX, etc. are embedded into the tracks prior to exporting the final file. In previous versions of SONAR I have had issues where the final export would have issues doing this all in one run.

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    Re: tracks don't bounce? 2013/11/09 08:08:11 (permalink)
    I have to ask if my posts are invisible to some readers.....?

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    Re: tracks don't bounce? 2013/11/09 09:26:44 (permalink)
    I saw it grum, hence my confirmation that your method is the correct one 

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    Re: tracks don't bounce? 2013/11/10 05:51:44 (permalink)
    I saw it too sir, please forgive me for not allowing credit due, I was quite red eyed and weary. I do so appreciate the input from everyone, I apologize greatly for the over site. Thank you all for the help and tips, it all will make my ventures much easier! Thanks again!

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