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video in X2
The limitations of trying to sync music to video has always been frustrating for me to say the least but now I can't get any video to play in X2.
I usually take HD and dumb it down to NTSC DV (not even widescreen) to use in Sonar but now that doesn't work.
I get no errors when importing, I just have no audio and see no video in the video screen...all I see is timecode ticking away with a blank screen.
If I right click and go to video properties everything looks normal.
WMP plays the clip fine...any thoughts?
Thanks very much,
Randy
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/21 10:37:07
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Codecs.
Try installing KLite codecs pack.
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/21 11:16:24
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I can see where one might think that but my main gig is video production and I have pretty much all codecs installed.
I render out of Sony Vegas Pro 12 using it's NTSC DV template and Sonar has never with it...I just renedered the clip again to a very basic .wmv and I get the same thing....it's been a while since I've imported video to Sonar so maybe I'm doing something wrong ...don't you just file/import/video? I also wonder if I screwed something up in prefs or inadvertently hit some keyboard shortcut because the video track shows "video thumbnails are hidden" which it didn't before.
Thanks Mark,
Randy
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/21 13:47:00
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Sound Design is my gig so i'm working with Video all the time. I tend to use .MOV's for video which work fine this end. Maybe go with that? Sonar is crazily picky on what videos play and what dont but thinking about it if theres a codec issue it will throw out the "unsupported file format" On the video options have you got the "animate" video check box ticked? (right click on the video) g_randybrown
I can see where one might think that but my main gig is video production and I have pretty much all codecs installed.
I render out of Sony Vegas Pro 12 using it's NTSC DV template and Sonar has never with it...I just renedered the clip again to a very basic .wmv and I get the same thing....it's been a while since I've imported video to Sonar so maybe I'm doing something wrong ...don't you just file/import/video? I also wonder if I screwed something up in prefs or inadvertently hit some keyboard shortcut because the video track shows "video thumbnails are hidden" which it didn't before.
Thanks Mark,
Randy
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/21 14:05:20
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Two things that Cakewalk absolutely never upgrades: Video and Notation.
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/21 15:22:06
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I just rendered a very small (5 seconds @512 kbps) .mov to test and this time X2 threw the unsupported format error (didn't do that for the avi and wmv I tried...just no video or audio).
Animate video was checked BTW.
@vintagevibe- yessir I know...it just seems to me that if one of the major companies did support video even in a very elementary way (ie just a single track but able to throw more than 1 clip on the timeline) that it would be well worth their effort.
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/21 15:45:33
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I am new to video, i gave up on Sonar after a few hours and downloaded the trial version of Vegas Movie Studio Platinum. VMS works great for what I need. Very easy to use, seems like lots of power. I posted a similar thread and the feedback suggested even though sonar does video, it doesn't do well, and there is very llittle support for it. So I moved on.
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/21 15:53:53
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TraceyStudios
I am new to video, i gave up on Sonar after a few hours and downloaded the trial version of Vegas Movie Studio Platinum. VMS works great for what I need. Very easy to use, seems like lots of power. I posted a similar thread and the feedback suggested even though sonar does video, it doesn't do well, and there is very llittle support for it. So I moved on.
Vegas Pro is it's "big brother" and at times I do some serious editing (up to 4 video tracks)...in that respect I would never expect Sonar "to do video" at all. I'm just saying if Sonar could kinda sorta playback a few simple clips that I could compose music to, it would be a fantastic DAW and have a big leg up on it's competition!
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/21 16:07:46
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I use Shark007 codecs and can load any video into X2. Just be sure you have the 64 bit ones.
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/21 16:08:14
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/21 16:19:43
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Shark007 codecs John
I use Shark007 codecs and can load any video into X2. Just be sure you have the 64 bit ones.
Like I say John, doing video production for a living, I have to be up to date on codecs...it must be something else I've either doing wrong or screwed up somehow...I don't get the unsupported format error (well except for the little .mov I just tried) just no video or audio....think about it, I obviously have the supported formats installed or I wouldn't be able to generate them in Vegas. When you say you can load any video in X2, does that include HD (ie 1080p mp4)?
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/21 23:53:08
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.mov files don't currently work in the 64Bit version of Sonar. This is due to a QuickTime issue that hasn't been resolved by Apple. Some DAW software apps (Cubase, Reaper, Studio One 2, etc) have provided a workaround until the issue is resolved. It would be nice if Cakewalk found the time to do this...  Many of us are straddling the audio/video worlds... and this would save time/effort. FWIW, I've had good luck with .wmf files (HD) in Sonar. Exported from Vegas 12 Pro...
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/22 01:12:08
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g_randybrown
Shark007 codecs
John
I use Shark007 codecs and can load any video into X2. Just be sure you have the 64 bit ones.
Like I say John, doing video production for a living, I have to be up to date on codecs...it must be something else I've either doing wrong or screwed up somehow...I don't get the unsupported format error (well except for the little .mov I just tried) just no video or audio....think about it, I obviously have the supported formats installed or I wouldn't be able to generate them in Vegas.
When you say you can load any video in X2, does that include HD (ie 1080p mp4)?
Vegas has its own codecs built in. Sonar does not. It uses windows system codecs. Let me be clear I can play all video file format with X2 with the codecs I mentioned including HD mov files.This is on a 64 bit Windows 8 system running X2 64 bit. Others talked about Klite for doing the same thing. You don't have to take my word for it you could try it out for yourself.
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/22 04:21:58
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Yeah, I have to agree with John. I use the K-Lite codec pack now, and I haven't run into anything I can't open in Sonar so far. I had all of the usual problems with QT, MP4, etc., before I installed the codecs. Sonar will pretty much use whatever you have installed on your system.
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/22 08:21:20
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Not true. I'm currently working on a project and the video is an MOV. Jim Roseberry
.mov files don't currently work in the 64Bit version of Sonar.
This is due to a QuickTime issue that hasn't been resolved by Apple.
Some DAW software apps (Cubase, Reaper, Studio One 2, etc) have provided a workaround until the issue is resolved. It would be nice if Cakewalk found the time to do this...
Many of us are straddling the audio/video worlds... and this would save time/effort.
FWIW, I've had good luck with .wmf files (HD) in Sonar.
Exported from Vegas 12 Pro...
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/22 10:00:10
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Jim is partially right!
.MOV is not working as a video export format, but you can read it IIRC.
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/22 10:02:41
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I said it before, I will say it again,
I think Cakewalk should make the video player as a "standalone" tool, just like Logic is actually using Quicktime to play video.
They could do a simple external media player that reads timecode from Sonar, then this thread could be 32, 64 bit.. doesn't matter. Also it would not make Sonar Lag like it does right now, makes it more painful that we deserve to do work for picture on Sonar.
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/22 10:15:25
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Sonar is very fussy about video formats. I find that it really likes AVI JPEG's that I converted using a free converter called Wondershare. Sadly, Sonar X2 is not very friendly when it comes to working with video. I've been a Cake guy since 1992, and can't understand why they never put more effort into this. Even worse is trying to export the video with the synced audio...TERRIBLE. For these reasons, I have switched over to Mac running Logic Pro. Why? It totally rocks for scoring to picture, and I can count on it every time. I now have my PC running as a slave (hosts all my big orchestral libraries), and have still Sonar loaded for when I occassionally need it. I didn't want to jump ship, but had no choice.
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/22 10:18:17
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Cracking idea! +1 *scuttles off to the suggestions to the bakers page* vlab
I said it before, I will say it again,
I think Cakewalk should make the video player as a "standalone" tool, just like Logic is actually using Quicktime to play video.
They could do a simple external media player that reads timecode from Sonar, then this thread could be 32, 64 bit.. doesn't matter. Also it would not make Sonar Lag like it does right now, makes it more painful that we deserve to do work for picture on Sonar.
Cheers !
V
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/22 10:29:22
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Hey Jscomposer !
I too have a mac with logic pro for some scoring gigs ...
While the video management is wonderful compared to Sonar,
the workflow is so bad.. that in the end, I think I prefer dealing with the issues of Sonar,
rather than the ones from Logic.
As for re-exporting the video with audio, I do it in Microsoft Movie maker now, it takes 2 clicks,
and it works wonder. and it's free..
Now If I could find that codec+settings that would make Sonar snappier when dealing with video ...
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/22 11:28:44
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Look at the cheap Reaper and it's video handling. It plays/edits/exports any video format at any version of it (32bit/64bit). I can pay twice to have Reaper like video handling on Sonar. I'm scoring for picture everyday. And everyday I have to send video files to client to get quick feedback. I don't want to spend my time converting videos. I just want to drag .mov file from dropbox to sonar, score my music and export there again as .mov file...
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jscomposer
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/22 11:49:45
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vlab
Hey Jscomposer !
I too have a mac with logic pro for some scoring gigs ...
While the video management is wonderful compared to Sonar,
the workflow is so bad.. that in the end, I think I prefer dealing with the issues of Sonar,
rather than the ones from Logic.
As for re-exporting the video with audio, I do it in Microsoft Movie maker now, it takes 2 clicks,
and it works wonder. and it's free..
Now If I could find that codec+settings that would make Sonar snappier when dealing with video ...
Cheers !
V
I hear you! Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Sonar, but it just doesn't cut it for professional film scoring. If they pulled up their pants and put some effort into that side of things, I would gladly switch back. It's funny, I had a client over to my studio to check out some cues I had scored and....Sonar crashed (it was that one in a million thing!!!). He said "you don't use Mac?". That question haunted me for a long time,but I can attest that Mac has been good so far. Logic is a completely different workflow, but it just works. Digital Performer 8 is coming out for Windows very soon...hopefully Cakewalk take the hint and and jump on the bandwagon for us film score guys!!!
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/22 12:04:13
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Perhaps this is a stupit question but: is rewire a possibility to connect the video player to sonar x2?
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/22 12:12:58
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jscomposer
I hear you! Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Sonar, but it just doesn't cut it for professional film scoring. If they pulled up their pants and put some effort into that side of things, I would gladly switch back. It's funny, I had a client over to my studio to check out some cues I had scored and....Sonar crashed (it was that one in a million thing!!!). He said "you don't use Mac?". That question haunted me for a long time,but I can attest that Mac has been good so far. Logic is a completely different workflow, but it just works.
Digital Performer 8 is coming out for Windows very soon...hopefully Cakewalk take the hint and and jump on the bandwagon for us film score guys!!!
I'm watching for DP 8 but a first version on Windows scares me. I checked them out and their "crossgrade" is the same price you would pay for the full version of Sonar or Cubase. I'm thinking seriously about Cubase and especially watching for their newly announced notation initiative with the old Sibelius development team.
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/22 12:31:03
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I wish touch screen technology wasn't invented. Maybe CW would focus on real points that we are interested in...
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/22 12:43:30
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I work with video all the time using Sonar X2 64bit on win7.
I use vegas pro to render all videos to AVI and sonar handles them fine. Never use compressed video files cos they will just slow down the whole process.
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/22 13:45:05
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jscomposer
I hear you! Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Sonar, but it just doesn't cut it for professional film scoring. If they pulled up their pants and put some effort into that side of things, I would gladly switch back. It's funny, I had a client over to my studio to check out some cues I had scored and....Sonar crashed (it was that one in a million thing!!!). He said "you don't use Mac?". That question haunted me for a long time,but I can attest that Mac has been good so far. Logic is a completely different workflow, but it just works.
Digital Performer 8 is coming out for Windows very soon...hopefully Cakewalk take the hint and and jump on the bandwagon for us film score guys!!!
I'm watching for DP 8 but a first version on Windows scares me. I checked them out and their "crossgrade" is the same price you would pay for the full version of Sonar or Cubase. I'm thinking seriously about Cubase and especially watching for their newly announced notation initiative with the old Sibelius development team.
Yes, I also wondered about the Windows release....always better to wait until it's ironed out (and MOTU never has a demo for anything), so it would be a commitment for sure. The Cubase 7 trial (download) is really good, except you need a $30 dongle to use it. The video features are a little tricky and confusuing, but didn't spend much time with it.
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/22 15:45:29
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jscomposer
Yes, I also wondered about the Windows release....always better to wait until it's ironed out (and MOTU never has a demo for anything), so it would be a commitment for sure. The Cubase 7 trial (download) is really good, except you need a $30 dongle to use it. The video features are a little tricky and confusuing, but didn't spend much time with it.
I have an old Syncrosoft dongle from Giagstudio (anyone remember that:>). I know Steinberg bought Syncrosoft so I wonder if that will work?
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/22 15:53:54
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@vintagevibe: Yes it will work just fine !
The only problem is that once you know Sonar ... it's hard to find a good reason to use Cubase ... lol !
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Re:video in X2
2013/03/22 17:31:31
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Hey Randy,
I have Vegas 12 and Vegas 9. In Vegas 9 my computer spits out an Mpeg1 superfast, and Sonar likes it. Works really well.
I've experimented with what Vegas 12 exports (Mpeg1 is not an option) and have had mixed results.
I'll try to find a successful pic file from Vegas 12 and report back.
Good luck
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