we want midi

We want midi in P606/Kinetic!

Midi output to external devices
Midi mixer (from the 16parts mixer included)
Midi files import/export
Midi controller support while using SP606

Come on!
Go Cakewalk!
You CAN do it!!

MIDI!

yes :)

obviously :)

Midi output to external devices
Midi mixer (from the 16parts mixer included)

I don't think Kinetic (or P606) will get any of those. Not even Project-5 has MIDI output (or a proper mixer, for that matter). I think this is one of the principles these programs are designed from. One of the reasons I prefer Kinetic over P5 is because Kinetic does have a standard-looking mixer.

Anyway, these programs are meant to be self-contained softsynth sequencers, just like Reason and others. We already have the advantage of the MIDI-out plugin, and I think we (along with P5 users) could push Cakewalk and René a bit and ask for an update, where you can select the MIDI port *and* MIDI channel.

As for a MIDI mixer, I'm not sure what you mean. There is the 16-channel mixer where every parameter can be assigned to a MIDI controller - just get one of those Evolution UC-33 things and you will have a hardware mixer. I plan to get one myself someday.

Midi files import/export

This might be do-able in Kinetic, but the problem is that Kinetic is groove-based, so how will Kinetic split a MIDI file in grooves? I think there could be an option when importing a MIDI file where you can tell Kinetic to make a groove every 2, 4 or 8 bars.

Midi controller support while using SP606

I don't have an SP606 but my guess is that this shouldn't be difficult to achieve since Kinetic can already handle more than one MIDI input port at a time. I guess all you can do is keep shouting at Cakewalk for a solution.

Concerning Kinetic and SP606, if you use anything except SP606 you CAN assign whatever midi CC to about any control on screen. BUT! with SP606 connected in, this doesn't work no more. Impossible to use any midi input, all midi assignment disapear, kinetic, which is suppose to ADD value to SP606, instead REMOVE value.

Yep, that's it, impossible to assign anything except the 3 knobs from SP606, even i i have more knobs available with my kenton control freak + my DIY midibox + my FW1884 tascam surface controller that you can dream of. But, if i use SP606, the kinetic software and P606 software "detect" that and is geying out any midi options in the software. This is SO ridiculous! What the hell they where thinking?

And, what i mean by MIDI mixer is that the mixer in kinetic (or P606 for that matter) even when used with midiout plugin, all control like volume, mute, solo, pan, don't send midi info. Like, you CAN'T mute or solo a ch.strip with the midi out plugin in.

I should be able to mute a chanel strip that contains a synth from roland (like groovesynth) OR a midiout plugin.


For midi import/export, it's exactly like that that i see this. I should be able to drag a midi clip into PSEQ, with a popup dialog asking me to select a chanel to import, and how long, for example. And export should export the current sequence numbered with channel 1 to 16 from the 16 parts mixer of kinetic or P606.

Kinetic/P606 are seriously crippled software when used with SP606, and this seem like it is wanted? WTF?


All i want, at first, is that they REMOVE this stupid limitation with SP606 used as the soundcard.

After that, they really should permit to AT LEAST send midi note to SP606 itself!!!!! damn it! It a sampler that i bought, that sampler came with a software. Part of the price i paid for this sampler (650€) IS that software, the P606, sold as "the perfect integration of a sampling workstation with softsynth workstation". Yep, like this, one could think like a did. Thinking that the software that came with the sampler i bought will work WITH that sampler. Was i too stupid to think this?

Marcus

Thanks alot for your response. I'm glad i'm being listened to :)

I already filled a feature request, so you got all i need described in it.

I really hope you take those features i request seriously, those feature will make P606 a killer with SP606.

The ergonomy of P606 is the nicest i have seen so far. If only i could use the full potential of the SP606 with those 'small additions' to P606/Kinetic, this would be "the" killer groovebox/software combination on the market.

Actually, you need a hardware sequencer like Yamaha RM1X to acheive simlar results, with a less than perfect ergonomy.

The functionning of Yamaha RM1X is very very close to that of P606, you could have a look at that hardware, you'll be surprised HOW close it is to P606/Kinetic. And it'll give you a very clear idea what i'm thinking about what's mssing in P606, so little! To be THE killer live app :)

With P606/Kinetic being the 16 parts pattern sequencer, able to control also external stuff, you just GRAB a complete market niche :) Too easy

I know you can do it, take this seriously, and you'll see how much SP606/P606 and Kinetic combo you'll sell ;)

Again, thanks for this response. I'll keep coming here anyway, and help people with P606/SP606 in the mean while :)

Marcus

I use it in combination of Yamaha RM1X pluged in the audio input of SP606 to use effects (d-beam filter) + P606 using WDM driver + a vst host using ASIO driver (drivers from SP606). The VST host is driven by Yamaha RM1X for sequencing VSTi.

I'm gigging in paris bar's and clubs. But we also do lots of studio work using LOTSA creamware stuff (we love it) +rme fireface+tascam fw1884.

Our band is vocal based, machines are used to improvise to some extent and create ambiances. Phrazes are preprogrammed into patterns, and sequencing is happing live.

This is 100% made with P606 + vocal recording thru Art DPS II into SP606 via SPDIF connection :

Beau comme des anges

This one is made with a combination of audio recording in SP606 and P606 for some of the drum sounds :

Histoire de cul à 2 balles

this one was made prior to having SP606/P606, in creamware "VDAT" (virtual tape recorder) :

A la french


Here's another :

68tard

Again :

The Reason Why

And :

YK Pet

Those songs are, well, not ready for "general public" ;) but hey, that better than nothing :)

Enjoy, if possible !

"The Reason Why" is freaking cool! Love it!

"cul" - I don't understand French (except for the Mickey Mouse refs). Interesting stuff.

YK Pet - Digging it, I like it - a tad bit repetitive but still pretty darn cool.

Do I get to live now?

marcus,

Great stuff! I really like the lead/filter cutoff thing on Beau comme des anges.

-Nick

Thanks alot