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2016/12/28 07:48:18 (permalink)

weird comping problem

I have a project with a weird comping problem:
 
Using the smart tool to select certain parts of takes works fine, then I go and adjust start/end of comped takes by grabbing between the 2 takes dragging forward or backward ... now when grabbing the start of a comped clip and dragging it to the right to make it shorter, it also changes the other end of the clip (!!!) and thus introduces a hole (sometimes so small that it "only" causes clicks, sometimes so big that you can see it without zooming in)
 
It happens with 2016.09 and 2016.12 ... but not in a different project originating from the same template (i.e. identical structure)
 
It drove me nuts while getting the comps done in that project, but I cannot repro in another ... but I got screenshots to prove it, though (which I haven't managed to post yet)
 
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http://imgur.com/kvilZcE
 
post edited by Rob[at]Sound-Rehab - 2016/12/28 08:12:38

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    Rob[at]Sound-Rehab
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    Re: weird comping problem 2016/12/29 04:59:58 (permalink)
    strange (but good): no problem editing the next project of the same template ... yet, I can open that one weird project and get this issue at every comp which reduces a clip length ...

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    Re: weird comping problem 2016/12/29 10:38:13 (permalink)
    I tried searching the forum for 'comping' and this thread didn't even show.
     
    also having strange results while comping.   I am new to Sonar comping since I just upgraded from X2 but I am having a lot of issues.
    I have a short clip that I dragged from one take to another that I cannot change the start point.  It's locked.   Maybe dragging a clip to another take is something you shouldn't do but doesn't seem that radical to me. Since this song is not highly rhythmical, the vocal takes do not perfectly line up.   So I need to move some words slightly earlier or later and it's not working well.   The comping automation is doing all kinds of things that are messing me up.   Yes, I love using arrow keys to audition different takes.  That's very functional.  But if I move small clips around, all kinds of extra split points are added and it's hard to tell what's going on.    
    Are there any good sonar comping videos that might help me?  I have watched the basic ones.  They don't address what I am trying to do.   
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    Re: weird comping problem 2016/12/30 04:19:46 (permalink)
    Another editing session and my bug reported above again did not show, so I can't give a recipe for reproducing it (other than opening that particular project and do any comp in there).
     
    DLindholm1
    Maybe dragging a clip to another take is something you shouldn't do but doesn't seem that radical to me.



    Yeah, moving/copying clips to different takes was very questionable especially if it involved group clips. It did improve with some update this summer, but I'm really hoping that one of the last remaining rolling update enhancements will take care of that (as that should include extensive comping testing and cleaning up known issues)

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    DLindholm1
    Since this song is not highly rhythmical, the vocal takes do not perfectly line up.   So I need to move some words slightly earlier or later and it's not working well.  

     
    On vocals I usually do all comping/take selection first and not do timing corrections at the same time i.e. I go first after the best performance, knowing I can do (small) timing adjustments later. When done, I use "flatten comp" to bounce the clips to one file, clone track, archive one and move to backup track folder. The other clone I use for final timing edits i.e. I delete all takes lanes apart from the flattened comp, unlock it, split it when I need a timing fix, and then nudge the clips into place. This has always worked fine for me. At that time I usually have a concept of how the vocal sounds and sits in the mix, but no automation fine tuning; hence, I can't comment on how this works against existing automation lanes.

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    Re: weird comping problem 2017/01/06 14:50:17 (permalink)
    I am noticing another real annoying bug.   I select all of my split points in a comp and then start picking the best take clips.  Then after hitting enter on a few with the expected results, the next time I hit enter on a clip it wipes out the next split completely.   Seems like it's healing the two clips together (dropping the split) instead of just picking the one that I select.   Anybody else notice this?
     
    Also noticed that if you click the solo button about the Dim Solo, it plays the other tracks at full volume with the current clip take lane but if you arrow up or down, it resets to Dim Solo even though the other solo button is still lit.   Wish it would stick until I unselect it.
     
    I recently downloaded the latest version of sonar professional dated december of 2016.  was hoping it would fix a few things but evidently contained none of the fixes I needed.
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    Re: weird comping problem 2017/01/06 15:26:50 (permalink)
    The small gap at the end of the split has been around for a while. I logged it as a bug a while ago and they said they could reproduce it.  I have not seen it happen as much lately but I always check after moving a slip point.

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    Re: weird comping problem 2017/01/07 00:53:17 (permalink)
    reginaldStjohn
    The small gap at the end of the split has been around for a while. I logged it as a bug a while ago and they said they could reproduce it.  I have not seen it happen as much lately but I always check after moving a slip point.


    Great that you could log something reproducible because now I also started to double check clip ends which breaks the workflow efficiency

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    Re: weird comping problem 2017/01/07 00:55:26 (permalink)
    another potential bug that I forgot about earlier... when I loop record, it adds a split to all takes right where I stop recording.  I don't see any benefits from that.  Guess I should learn how to be a one take singer.   
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