wet mouth sounds

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2010/02/17 00:22:08 (permalink)

wet mouth sounds

I don't know if this fis into de-essing for sibilance sounds. But it's like you can hear saliva when my mouth opens right before I sing.
 
However, it only seems apparent when I'm compressing. So can anyone lead me to general tips when compressing vocals?

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    Middleman
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    Re:wet mouth sounds 2010/02/17 00:46:39 (permalink)
    Cut out all of the mouth noises with the scissor tool. Send the cut version to the compressor.

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    Re:wet mouth sounds 2010/02/17 00:50:11 (permalink)
    Or separate your teeth before you open your lips and breath in at the same time.
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    Re:wet mouth sounds 2010/02/17 00:50:14 (permalink)
    Your initial transient is what you're hearing, even though it likely to be way under the normal voice level. Basically, I'd say you're using too much compression. Likely you're using to low of a threshold with too high of a ratio. Try using a 1:3 to 1  or up to a 2:1 ratio to start with, then ease your threshold down till you see a 1 to 3 db of gain reduction.

    Added : maybe your a little too close to the mic as well.
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    Re:wet mouth sounds 2010/02/17 08:06:54 (permalink)
    With a good mic in a quiet room, you will hear the sounds your lips make as they open to sing...and every other sound coming from your mouth as well.

    Use envelopes, use cut/cut/delete, and whatever else you need to to rid your track of those noises. 

    I don't worry too much about them unless I can hear them clearly...usually at the beginnings of words and phrases. And that will also depend on what the music is doing too. If you have some energetic music happening, chances are good the noises are going to be covered in the music. It's only when you are soloing the track that you will hear this stuff..... it never hurts to remove it.

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    Re:wet mouth sounds 2010/02/17 10:09:24 (permalink)
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    I don't know if this fis into de-essing for sibilance sounds. But it's like you can hear saliva when my mouth opens right before I sing.
     
    However, it only seems apparent when I'm compressing. So can anyone lead me to general tips when compressing vocals?


    I use the clip gain envelope to remove those and all other room sound between phrases. With the saliva crackle it's almost always a total mute but with breath sounds some times I just reduce it or fade it in real quick to keep the track from sounding fake.  The idea with breath sounds is to get them sound natural. In most cases I get them to a level where you miss them if they are gone but don't notice them if they are there. Know what I mean ?
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    Re:wet mouth sounds 2010/02/17 10:22:39 (permalink)
    Take care of it at the source. Drink a lot of water, get hydrated.  No dairy products. Don't eat or drink anything that makes you go hrrrkkkk to clear your throat.  Caffeine and alcohol tend to dry you out, avoid them.

    The important thing is to be really well hydrated so your mouth and throat's mucous membranes are able to slide and slap around without those clicky sounds.
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    Re:wet mouth sounds 2010/02/19 00:57:56 (permalink)
    I think you're right on tarsier, as is everyone else. I'm doing it all I think: not hyrdrated (drinking alchohol and caffiene), mic is very hot (to pic up nuance), and I'm compressing at a high ratio.

    Oh, but keeping my mouth open and trying to adjust that way is helping. Editing is overkilll.


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    Re:wet mouth sounds 2010/02/19 02:00:31 (permalink)
    Probably the simplest and most effective thing I've seen....

    CHAPSTICK!

    ...and all of the things that tarsier mentioned. Once you've got those covered off, you can adjust any gain/compression settings.

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    Re:wet mouth sounds 2010/02/19 03:50:15 (permalink)
    Use a gate before the comp.
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    Re:wet mouth sounds 2010/02/19 10:15:57 (permalink)
    Use a gate before the comp.

    The problem with that is that most of the mouth clicky noises happen when your mouth/vocal tract is moving to a different sound within a word. A gate isn't going to take care of that. Some, but not all.

    I've had to deal with a lot of this, and by far the easiest solution to get rid of those sounds after recording is to use the "Heal" tool in Adobe Audition's spectral editing view. iZotope RX also has this, and I'm pretty sure other sound editors do too.  I wouldn't even consider trying to edit them out in Sonar.  Well, no I take that back. I'd consider it, maybe even start to attempt it, but then give up in frustration and go back to Audition.
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    Re:wet mouth sounds 2010/02/19 16:28:08 (permalink)
    I second the chapstick!  'Course, I just pull out the bright-red Maybelline... but that may not work for your look, depending.  ;)

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    Re:wet mouth sounds 2010/02/22 02:03:25 (permalink)
    As a side note or trivia item, you can hear the kind of mouth sounds on Glass Onion right before the first line of the song.
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    Re:wet mouth sounds 2010/02/23 05:16:22 (permalink)
    if you zoom into the waveform you probably see some "harmonics" that cause thzose "wet mouth sounds".. you could use a pencil tool to redraw those waveforms.. but as far as I know there isn't such a tool in sonar..
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