wrench45us
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what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
wasn't this supposed to be arriving about now? is there any possibility that http://www.garritan.com/jazz.html (Jazz and Big Band Horns) might see a Dim Pro version? my credit card would jump out of my wallet at that prospect
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
2006/12/13 01:04:14
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I'd go for the Jazz and Big Band, too.
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
2006/12/13 16:01:01
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Jazz and Big Band are nice. Worth the money. Cheers, Russ
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
2006/12/13 16:27:42
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how do the brass patches sound? that's primarily what I'll be going for.
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
2006/12/14 04:31:56
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Thanks for brining that up wrench. It does seem that the promo on DimPro mentioned it coming standard with Garritan Pocket Orchestra and then Personal Orchestra (the next step up) coming soon for DimPro. So Cake, where is it or what gives?
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wrench45us
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
2006/12/14 09:48:04
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I was unaware of the group buy on the one 'instrument' I really want. on the one hand this is good news, on the other the Christmas lists are distributed already and this will require some negotiation with Mrs Claus Merry Christmas
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
2006/12/14 10:14:18
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yeah...i don't know why it's been TOTAL SILENCE regarding this here! I decided to post the same question in the Garritan forum at NorthernSounds (since the Cakewalk folks can't seem to give any kind of good answer), but all I got was total silence as well! If any of you are also members of NorthernSounds forum - bump up my thread and let's see if Gary or someone from Garritan will finally answer this dinosaur of a question. I have a feeling that someone at Cakewalk spoke over their head when it was first mentioned here when Dimension Pro first came out about a year ago and from what I see.....Garritan seem quiet happy sticking with Kontakt as the interface for their catalog. http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48483&highlight=dimension
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
2006/12/14 10:57:52
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ORIGINAL: holymoly If any of you are also members of NorthernSounds forum - bump up my thread and let's see if Gary or someone from Garritan will finally answer this dinosaur of a question. DONE
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
2006/12/15 05:57:26
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ORIGINAL: Infinite5ths ORIGINAL: holymoly If any of you are also members of NorthernSounds forum - bump up my thread and let's see if Gary or someone from Garritan will finally answer this dinosaur of a question. DONE So what is the outcome - will DimPro owners be able to upgrade to Personal Orchestra?
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
2006/12/15 09:50:45
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I have GPO and would be really interested in GPO for Dimension Pro to. I wonder what the cross upgrade price would be. The group buy for The JABB going on now is really itching at my wallet as is the Violin Double wammy for the wallet Ed
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
2006/12/15 10:08:13
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ORIGINAL: Nick P ORIGINAL: Infinite5ths ORIGINAL: holymoly If any of you are also members of NorthernSounds forum - bump up my thread and let's see if Gary or someone from Garritan will finally answer this dinosaur of a question. DONE So what is the outcome - will DimPro owners be able to upgrade to Personal Orchestra? no idea.....no one is home to answer the question at either place...here or Garritan @ Northern Sounds. infinite - cheers for bumping my thread at NS, but unfortunately looks like that didn't make any difference and they're still dead-silent about it. crazy....
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
2006/12/15 10:30:55
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Yup....bummer. I really don't like the Kontakt engine...
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wrench45us
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
2006/12/15 10:52:56
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as GPO and BBaJ use the Kontakt engine and the newer Stadavari Violin has come out on the Kontakt2 engine, I just wonder if people who might have worked on the port to Dim Pro are working on the port to K2? for what Garritan does with midi cc modulation and articulation the K2 engine with scripting etc etc etc offers a nice fit and then keeping the customer base updated to the latest version is what responsible companies do so I guess this doesn't surprise me too much so if I'm right sometime next year there'll be a GPO and BBaJ update for K2 and as I just ordered BBaJ at th eholiday group buy price I'd be interested in that
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
2006/12/15 11:18:07
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
2006/12/15 14:46:20
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so is the idea that registered users would get an upgrade to the latest engibe when this is all ready? kind of strange with a sample set being wagged by the dog, to upgrade the dog
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
2006/12/16 05:49:55
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This is pure guesswork and has no basis in fact, but I suspect that when CW announced the Garritan Big Band and GPO updates that were due out at the end of the year that NI spoke with Garritan and asked them to pull out. Since the main people to lose out on the sales would be NI since less people would buy the Kontakt version of it. This would also explain Cakewalks and Garritans apparent silence on the matter. Hmmm, conspiracy theorists of the world unite. Its probably untrue but at least it is plausable.
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
2006/12/16 08:46:36
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If that were the case, which I doubt, then it would show a distinct lack of faith on NI's part in Kontakt... It probably has more to do with there being more profit in developing new libraries to sell, rather than converting older ones into other formats...most people will have already picked up the Kontakt powered GPO in either of the two group buys for it by now, so there is little to be gained financially (in terms of enticing new buyers) from making a Dimension compatible version.
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
2006/12/16 09:45:41
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The other possibility is that to sell GPO commercially there may have been too little added content to warrant the cost of someone buying it as an upgrade. That doesnt give a reason why big band (which was announced at the same time) isnt being sold. As to NI Kontakt , in a side by side comparison with the expression engine I think it would be found wanting. Kontakts aliasing in the one study I could find was particularly awful. DS864 Reasons NN19 Native Instruments Kontakt RGC Audio SFZ (The precursor of Dimension and Rapture) As you can see from the amount of ghost notes floating around Kontakt is nearly as bad as the DS864 that came with Project5 V1. Whereas the NN19 is getting better, but the expression engine is quite simply the purest sampler you can get your hands on. If developers of sampler libraries get wind of that then there may well be a shift from Kontact based sample libraries. That would mean an awful lot of lost revenue for NI. Info taken from http://www.discodsp.com/highlife/aliasing/
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
2006/12/16 12:54:10
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The question is whether the Kontakt engine was improved with version 2, so the above test may well be inaccurate. I don't see sample library devs caring too much about the aliasing side of things, as they will just go with whatever format is going to make them money... Furthermore, isn't the above test moot when every note has been sampled? The above only shows when re-pitching a sample, correct? In which case, it isn't of any relevance for the massive libraries where no re-pitching will take place anyway. Also, short of Cakewalk offering a Dimension Player for licensing to the major sample vendors, I don't see them making any major inroads into this market, as it appears to be the norm to include a sample player these days. Must admit that I don't like this policy, as someone is having to pay for the included software and you can be damn sure that it isn't the sample vendor that is footing the bill...it's pointless for anyone that already owns a decent sampler.
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
2006/12/16 13:00:32
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ORIGINAL: xylyx Furthermore, isn't the above test moot when every note has been sampled? The above only shows when re-pitching a sample, correct? Aliasing is a type of distortion, introduced by having signal components above Nyquist. As any distortion, it is composed of tones or noises not present in the original signal.
No, its because of the signal processing of the sample that the ghost notes occur. It has nothing to do with the resampling, its all to do with the playback and the internal processing that is done by the plug in. So everytime you play a note in Kontakt you are playing a distorted version of the original sample, whereas in Dimension you are getting (pretty much) the original sample. As you can work out , for purists, Kontakt just doesnt cut it, since the playback of the sample is anything but a copy of the original.
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
2006/12/16 15:44:57
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Fair enough...it'd still be interesting to see this test done with Kontakt 2 and see if the engine was improved in it's second iteration.
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
2006/12/16 19:42:48
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Is it possible that the sample content for the this could be converted to sfz? A simple conversion from the Kontakt format to sfz? Or is all the Garritan content closed for this type of conversion. Since Dpro will be expanded this should be covered at some point. It just seems logical that cakewalk would expand the base sound set. But such lofty goals do take time
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
2006/12/16 21:49:05
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ORIGINAL: lawapa Is it possible that the sample content for the this could be converted to sfz? A simple conversion from the Kontakt format to sfz? Or is all the Garritan content closed for this type of conversion. Since Dpro will be expanded this should be covered at some point. It just seems logical that cakewalk would expand the base sound set. But such lofty goals do take time I have GPO and JABB. The content is closed, in "".nks" files, each about the size of what would fit on the type of disc it was distributed on. Then there are bunches of definition text files. BTW, my one disappointment with the GPO strings is that you can't turn vibrato off. I'd prefer to control my own vibrato, thank you very much.
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
2006/12/16 21:58:03
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People wint Intel-Mac's are already getting bitten by Kompakt player instruments that don't have UB versions - one guy paid a bundle for Colossus but it won't play on his new machine. I'm glad DimPro doesn't have such silly DRM on the content. Doug
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
2006/12/16 22:36:00
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Kontakt 2 had an update that gave options for 3 interpolation modes, which are normal (defaut and used on all old instruments in Kontakt 1+2), hi quality, and perfect. There is big difference in sound from normal and perfect. The expression engine sounds better, but Kontakt 2.x is now pretty close in sound quality.
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syrath
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
2006/12/17 02:11:37
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ORIGINAL: lawapa Is it possible that the sample content for the this could be converted to sfz? A simple conversion from the Kontakt format to sfz? Or is all the Garritan content closed for this type of conversion. Since Dpro will be expanded this should be covered at some point. It just seems logical that cakewalk would expand the base sound set. But such lofty goals do take time http://www.chickensys.com/products/translator/windows.php?sw_name=Translator+Pro That might be able to convert it to sfz for Dimension. The free version should be enough(ive converted Battery 2 kits to SFZ), if anyone who has GPO wants to try. If you do let us know how they sound in Dim Pro.
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xylyx
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
2006/12/17 03:02:57
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It won't work as the NKS file format that a lot of these Kontakt based instruments use is locked, kind of like Reason refills. At this time, I am unaware of any software (legal or otherwise) that can convert these files. For converting non-locked Kontakt stuff, Extreme Sample Converter is probably the better choice, as it is cheaper and more flexible than CS Translator...not to mention that there seem to be far less disgruntled customers with ESC than there are with TP.
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
2006/12/17 03:09:58
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FRom the Chicken Systems Translator update text Listing of features/fixes implemented since version 2.9 Build 54 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Added several ->SampleTank 2 enhancements Added Option for ST2 Macro Knobs Added Option for HALion Current Amplitude Release Trigger mode Added XV merging capacity Improved ->Fantom beta capability Fixed .nks (Kompakt monolith files) support Improved right pane interface in Details section
Note the 2nd last one.
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xylyx
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RE: what happened to GPO for Dim Pro?
2006/12/17 06:03:43
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I did a quick search on Chickensys' site and found the following: Most .nks files contain encrypted samples, and Translator DOES NOT decrypt these. So although you can translate the Kontakt files, the resulting sample data will be useless. So, unless that info on their site is incorrect, then GPO and most other .nks libraries cannot be converted.
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