Here is a funimental misundestading in Midi digital music. The DAw (MC5) is not under obligation to try to make their software work with all VSTi's The purchase or develop VST and VSTi implimentation, and make their software compatible with the basic standard.

It is then up to the individual designers of the plugins to make there synth fit into that.

Think about it what is more reasonable, to make 10 DAW softwares compatible to 1,000 synths, or for the 1,000 synths to comply with the 10 DAWs?

Also as far as M-Audio is concerned, they have struggled mightily to keep up with the changing drivers needed to work with the changing Operating systems.

Cakewalk writes a program that is ASIO capable, and the hardware makers, i.e. M-Audio write the drivers to match. If M-Audio writes a bad driver the whole thing fails on it's face. Then mix in the issue of the VAST differences in the systems out there, and the problem mulitplys. Every single computer is setup slightly different. Some people have aftermarekt video cards that change the dynamics of the system, this so they can play resource sucking games, others have TV cards, and web cams, you name it. All of this changes the IRQ, and many other properties of the system.

Currently the latest M-Audio ASIO driver i have works in great in MC5, MTS, but struggles in Powertracks from PG music. That is more of a PG issue, since many other have ASIO issue, but MC5 works great for 99% of the people. So that is more of a user issue.

All this must be taken in to consideration in fixing these things.

Moshkiae There is also something with the communication in MC5 with VSt's that is a problem. On my Jupiter 8 software I have keys setup on it, and mapped with the Midi board (M-Audio Oxygen 61 - the VCO's and FLO's and other functions) and it looks like MC5 doesn't like the key settings at all ... if I take the key settings out, I can play on the VST, but not on the midi board //////The root of the problem could be here - Pedro, can you actually open MC and insert any of the softsynths, and get sound from them using the MIDI controller?

 
If I use the regular ones that came with the software they are fine ... having a hard time previewing anything as the program simply loads them all up into the main screen and it is not easy to get them removed ... at least haven't figured out why, yet!
 
The Jupiter software I already told you. yes it plays but the quality is horrendous when I use the keyboard settings I have on the program. If I flush it, basically, all I can do is play it off the mouse on the screen and the keyboard won't let me do anything. So now one could say that the MC5 is not wanting to deal with the Arturia software. I can play it off the mouse, but the limitations of that is too much and not fun.
 
By itself, without MC5 the Auturia software is by far the finest I have ever played with! Works great. It's just bizarre to see a program interfere with it!
 
Other external VST's I have not tried but I'm ticklish right now ... my favorite one doesn't work ...

Hi,

At this time, I'm out $69 bux ... and am not feeling up to par to tackle this, and the folks that are answering things are not the Cakewalk folks, just friends here, that could give me a serious suggestion as to how to proceed.

I'm taking a break with this, and will decide in the next week if I want my money back and have them revoke the serial numbers they issued. This is just too nerve wrecking and at 59, none of us wants this irritation and not be able to enjoy life.

I want to spend my time playing and enjoying what I do. And software hassles are un-wanted by all of us, and compatibility issues even more so un-wanted. At this point, MC5 is over for me, and I don't know when I want to hassle with something that I can not get proper help from.

Beagle and Robo ... and the rest ... you folks have tried. The Cakewalk folks have not!

Thanks a whole bunch all for your efforts. But the software maker here is the issue, not you guys. Ohh sure, it's always the end user that is screwed up and screwed over ... and most technical support I have ever seen ... well, suffice it to say that I work in a Call Center and did Internet Support for 8 years (now do database entry), and I always refused to be one of those people ... I offer customers coffee or tea, if you would, not talk ... and we get down to business and fix things!

Very simple equation ... totally simple!

One more thing you have to add to this. While some do test there plugin with the majarity of host software, that only means it works on their system. Your system might ahve other issues to deal with.

Beag is on point on this either jump in and use the resources available to you. Allow us and the cake folks to help or use what works and be happy, but to continue to blow up the balloons for a pity party is getting old.

Robomusic


One more thing you have to add to this. While some do test there plugin with the majarity of host software, that only means it works on their system. Your system might ahve other issues to deal with.

I already stated ... this is an empty system ... has nothing on it except Windows XP-PRO, Arturia and a couple of VST's ... absolutely nothing else. The computer doesn't even browse or touch email. The sound card is M-Audio 1010L and the keyboard is M-Audio Oxygen 61 ... that is it ... totally. The machine is set specifically for music only.

I am so glad that it works with Ableton Live, that way you can make music. I am tickled pink that you have nothing on there but a few things. Still you refuse to accept the possibility that it is either your system or the plugin that is the problem. It is a fact that some plugins do not work with every system, nor every program host, Jamstix works great with MC, but it only half works with Powertracks.

Like i said, twice now, just because a plugin works with one program does not guarantee that it will work with another. Cakewalk does not have the time nor the responsibility to make sure that every plugin works with their system. There are just too many of them. Have you talked with Arturia to see if they have any insight? Do they even have support? Did you go to the sonar forum and ask if anyone there is using Arturia software with Sonar? Have you e-mailed Willie at cake and ask for his help?  

Since you still refuse to take the necessary steps to gain the help of the tech support at Cake, then i really do not know what you want here?!?! Send an E-mail to willie, and or Samara. Follow up with Arturia and ask for help, detail what steps you have taken to fix the problem. Do something, don't just whine and complain that it does not work. Or better yet go use the software you have that does work.

If you do not follow thru on these and other suggestions, then it is clear to all that you do not want help, you just want to complain, and if that is the case, then count me out, cause i take my whine with cheese.

Respectfully, Rob

I always try to find out how a product activates..... I don't like the complicated ones.

Moshkiae


Hi,

At this time, I'm out $69 bux ... and am not feeling up to par to tackle this, and the folks that are answering things are not the Cakewalk folks, just friends here, that could give me a serious suggestion as to how to proceed.

I'm taking a break with this, and will decide in the next week if I want my money back and have them revoke the serial numbers they issued. This is just too nerve wrecking and at 59, none of us wants this irritation and not be able to enjoy life.

I want to spend my time playing and enjoying what I do. And software hassles are un-wanted by all of us, and compatibility issues even more so un-wanted. At this point, MC5 is over for me, and I don't know when I want to hassle with something that I can not get proper help from.

Beagle and Robo ... and the rest ... you folks have tried. The Cakewalk folks have not!

Thanks a whole bunch all for your efforts. But the software maker here is the issue, not you guys. Ohh sure, it's always the end user that is screwed up and screwed over ... and most technical support I have ever seen ... well, suffice it to say that I work in a Call Center and did Internet Support for 8 years (now do database entry), and I always refused to be one of those people ... I offer customers coffee or tea, if you would, not talk ... and we get down to business and fix things!

Very simple equation ... totally simple!

My friend I do not know what else we at Cakewalk can do to help you. We have no record of you contacting Cakewalk (by email or phone). As I said before in my eariler post we are trying to help you. If you are unsure of how to contact Cakewalk here is the information;
 
http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Contact.aspx
 
Best of luck,
 
 

mine works.

do you have TTS-1 and SI Drums loaded with the project?  those load in the normal template and are needed for the previews.  if you've saved new templates without those loading then you won't hear anything.

nope, you have to select the output source for the previews in the left pane of the preview window.  it has all of the synths listed there that you can use for output and hardware synths are not available in that list.

Beagle


mine works.

do you have TTS-1 and SI Drums loaded with the project?  those load in the normal template and are needed for the previews.  if you've saved new templates without those loading then you won't hear anything.

Duhhh .. that means all those samples are just subsets of those projects?
 
Wow ... no wonder! That's crazy though ... what's the point?

Robomusic


A preview list is just that, a way to check out clips and see if they are what you want. So most likely hardware output comes later in the chain.

Yeah ... but how do you get that preview thing to light up when it is gray'd out? And all kinds of things listed below it? ... makes no sense!

There are many cases are the generate the fatal error. The above given the message is a one type of fatal error. When the data are lose or corrupted then it's generate the fatal error. But, some times are many reason are generate the fatal error.