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2016/11/01 23:47:51 (permalink)

what the guitar companies don't want you to know

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVmFlzksMCE
 
 

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Re: what the guitar companies don't want you to know 2016/11/02 00:03:43 (permalink)
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Re: what the guitar companies don't want you to know 2016/11/02 02:13:50 (permalink)
I haven't been able to watch it all the way through yet either...  I keep looping the beginning part...  

 
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Re: what the guitar companies don't want you to know 2016/11/02 02:14:11 (permalink)
Ok, I watched it.  Now I want a new guitar...
 

 
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Re: what the guitar companies don't want you to know 2016/11/02 10:47:45 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2016/11/02 20:32:18
Maybe I'll save somebody someone from wasting their time and also provide them with some insight. Or at least know what BS they're watching and listening to.
 
 "what guitar companies don't want you to know"  - Do you really believe that to be a valid statement?
 
If you want the truths-  take a tour of the many factories that offer them. Ask all the questions you want and they'll answer you.
If you can't take a tour, talk with a local luthier or send an email to one.
 
Believe me...they want you know exactly why you would want to buy their guitar and I can tell you without doubt and for a fact they do.
I had questions, many questions so I contacted John Page and I can say- that man loves building guitars and is willing to share info/help. He took time to not only answer my questions, evaluate my first guitar build but also offered to help me with any issues I may have down the road. Matter of fact, I haven't met or talked with anybody that builds guitars that isn't willing to share info or help in any way they can.
 
I'll also add that I supplied a build cost sheet with every build I've done and also a photo journal of the build.
Hell, material costs for a guitar isn't the only factor...of course building costs reflect the higher priced materials but that isn't a hidden factor. There isn't anything to hide or lie about. Most builders will go along with requests and mention what might not be a good idea or a better one in wood choices or any other aspect of the build.
 
Everyone knows that "name" is important. Resell value. It's part of the instrument. There are many aspects that the price of a guitar reflects and I don't know any of them that are hidden from people that inquire.
 
Well, all kinds can post whatever drips from their brainpan...so I guess I'm good to go.
 
IMO, that guy should be ashamed and remove that video. I also don't like it when people post that kind of crap and don't say anything...as if it matters what I think. pfftt
 
 
 
 
 
post edited by spacey - 2016/11/02 15:33:43
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Re: what the guitar companies don't want you to know 2016/11/02 12:31:43 (permalink)
The idea that this is somehow "secret" is ridiculous. I think it's common knowledge that Leo, being a practical man, chose ash/alder/maple for his guitars because they were both readily available and worked well. 
 
I suppose it might be true that pretentious folks with big checkbooks might be easily misled into buying unnecessarily expensive stuff - but that's mostly because they want to be misled.

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Re: what the guitar companies don't want you to know 2016/11/02 12:51:07 (permalink)
I gave up at the 8-minute mark.
First off, who sets an estimate on a body blank at "$28-$32" or $98?  You know there's something wrong when the presenter estimates at such an odd number.  Anybody else would say "$30" or "$100."  If a vendor came to me with such odd cost estimates, I'd second-guess hiring him.
 
And besides, I'm happy to pay $100 (or possibly $98) to have StewMac, Warmoth, or whoever, cut, sand, and shape the body to my boring specs.  If I can buy that blank for between $12 and $14, i'm still going to have to buy a few to compensate for my inept skills, spend the time measuring and cutting, cleaning the shavings up, etc etc etc.

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Re: what the guitar companies don't want you to know 2016/11/02 13:12:05 (permalink)
I got to about 6 mins and had no idea what his point was.

 
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Re: what the guitar companies don't want you to know 2016/11/02 15:17:37 (permalink)
I've seen that video before ....Aye Carrumba ........what a crock 
IMHO, the best part of the video is the first 5 seconds ...
After the luscious scantly clad female eye candy on the couch lumped me in with all the guitar players of the world and called me"one of the B..itches " ...I did what every self respecting guitar player would do ....
I checked to see if I had her phone number which thankfully I didn't have , Then I shut the video off and played my guitar
Life's to short to let some Highly opinionated soft spoken scraggly bearded  u tube Debby Downer standing in front of a white writing board with crappy unreadable writing  EFF  up for me what I have spent my whole life enjoying and playing ...The Guitar ...
 
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Re: what the guitar companies don't want you to know 2016/11/02 16:09:24 (permalink)
When I saw that "Wenge" (what my Gaudy Paul custom - now owned by Space Cowboy - is made of) wasn't mentioned and plywood was, I knew I wasn't going to learn any great insights. 
 
My next custom (still being built) is primarily Korina (Black Limba) with a nice maple neck.  Can't wait! 

 
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Re: what the guitar companies don't want you to know 2016/11/02 19:11:32 (permalink)
If this is his way of trying to get people come to him to make a custom guitar he needs to try a different strategy. The girl will not get him customers. well I don't know that for sure.

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Re: what the guitar companies don't want you to know 2016/11/02 19:23:30 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2016/11/02 20:40:04
Wood is the cheapest part of a guitar. What you pay for is knowledge and craftsmanship. It looks way easier to build a guitar than it really is. The guy misses the whole thing about consistency of the wood quality and the fact that most of the tropical hardwood has almost been depleted.
 
What he likely wanted to say is that he can't compete with big companies. I can't do it with amps and you can't do it with guitars. One off's are a special case and can't compete on cost. That's why most private builders focus on quality and interaction with the customer. IF it's going to cost a fortune it has to be exactly what you want and the highest quality available.
 
Maybe I should do a video called "what amp makers don't want you to know".  It would be a video about nothing since there really are no secrets to reveal. 

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Re: what the guitar companies don't want you to know 2016/11/02 20:39:47 (permalink)
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I'll also add that I supplied a build cost sheet with every build I've done and also a photo journal of the build.
 

 
Not to mention all those incredibly informative emails/images you sent throughout the process Mike... all of which I kept incidentally 
 
Plus, of course, the knowledge and craftsmanship you were kind enough to share.
 
 
 
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Re: what the guitar companies don't want you to know 2016/11/02 21:38:27 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2016/11/03 13:59:52
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I'll also add that I supplied a build cost sheet with every build I've done and also a photo journal of the build.
 

 
Not to mention all those incredibly informative emails/images you sent throughout the process Mike... all of which I kept incidentally 
 
Plus, of course, the knowledge and craftsmanship you were kind enough to share.
 
 
 
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It was indeed a great project for a great person. I enjoyed every part of it.
 
Once again I drop in and let some bozo get under my skin. I don't think it's "thin skin" - I think it's just hard not to speak up when it's about something one really cares about. I'll be getting me hat now. Keep in touch Steve.
 
 
 
 
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Re: what the guitar companies don't want you to know 2016/11/03 03:48:23 (permalink)
agree, there so much myth in music gear..
 
from a guy I know who fabricates guitar pickups/sells them, heard an interesting story.
he said he'd seen a lot of so called 'handwired' pickups by that famous lady (don't know her name)...that were in fact machine wired. He explained it's easy to see if a pickup is hand or machine wired.
 
 
 
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Re: what the guitar companies don't want you to know 2016/11/03 08:15:33 (permalink)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVmFlzksMCE 




Well, if this is the Kmart or Sears version of a guitar ... I can handle this ... but a Fender? or Gibson?
 
Too many years of loyalty to great players and I doubt they would be stupid enough to do that. Even the Fender stuff made in Mexico, which is lower priced, gets good reviews and I can not say that I have ever heard anyone talk those two down at all!

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Re: what the guitar companies don't want you to know 2016/11/03 10:22:59 (permalink)
ever heard about 'cryo tuning' or something, there's actually a company that freezes guitars for customers and then afterwards it sounds so much better !
a German retailer has this presenter who promoted it on Youtube, he's always overdoing about the tone of woodtypes and even laquer....like that makes such a difference.
imo, electrics, pickups, strings, hardware and weight of the guitar matter, but do you really hear a difference if it's one wood type or the other ?
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Re: what the guitar companies don't want you to know 2016/11/03 10:46:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby craigb 2016/11/05 04:12:02
I have heard a remarkable difference in tone with every guitar I have bought and played ...
Sure , lets face it , the wood always looked good from 5 feet away , no matter what the guitar was made of
Yet when the salesperson in the music store pulled it of the rack and played it ,I wasn't all that sure if I dug the guitar ...
After they did their little fret-board song and dance , they eventually got around to handing me the guitar ...
Golly gee wiz Beaver , wouldn't you know it  ...the guitar sounded and played a lot better all of a sudden ....
I doubt it was only about the wood.
To the best of my recollection , this has happened to me every time 
 
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Re: what the guitar companies don't want you to know 2016/11/03 11:52:18 (permalink)
I'm not a guitar person but I could see how certain woods and finishes would affect acoustic instruments.
 
In electrics perhaps denser woods would sound brighter due to sympathetic resonance to the other strings resulting in more harmonics? I would not be surprised to find that a glass body guitar would sound different than a plywood guitar. In the end though doesn't it just come down to durability? Again, not a guitar person but a plywood body would concern me due to possible warping and strange effects based on temperature and humidity.
 
Oh well, I'm just running off at the mouth... much like the guy in the video.

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Re: what the guitar companies don't want you to know 2016/11/03 13:12:07 (permalink)
I think for most electric guitarists, any wood effect is negligible.   The pickups, FX, technique, and amp would cover 98% of the sound, i'd bet.
My Telecaster is twangy and relatively light.  My old Les Paul was heavy and didn't have much background noise.  My Yamaha TVL is heavier than my Tele and a little bit twangy.  My Pbass thumps, my Jazz bass thumps (coz it's got a P pickup in it) and looks redder than the P...

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Re: what the guitar companies don't want you to know 2016/11/03 13:17:43 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby craigb 2016/11/05 04:12:56
I didn't watch the video because...well, I didn't want to do it. That being said, it is always amazing to me how great a mediocre instrument sounds in the hands of a great musician. Rather than go off on a whine-fest about types of wood, pros and cons of various pickups, etc., some musicians might be better off focusing on improving their skills. We all know that the weakest part of any instrument is the empty space between the ears of its player. 
 
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Re: what the guitar companies don't want you to know 2016/11/04 08:40:08 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby michaelhanson 2016/11/04 11:47:39
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I'm not a guitar person but I could see how certain woods and finishes would affect acoustic instruments.
 
In electrics perhaps denser woods would sound brighter due to sympathetic resonance to the other strings resulting in more harmonics? I would not be surprised to find that a glass body guitar would sound different than a plywood guitar. In the end though doesn't it just come down to durability? Again, not a guitar person but a plywood body would concern me due to possible warping and strange effects based on temperature and humidity.
 
Oh well, I'm just running off at the mouth... much like the guy in the video.




I didn't want you nor your question to be ignored so I'll share some thoughts.
 
No it doesn't just come down to durability although that is a consideration. Oil finish is popular and as with most finishes offers some protection. 
I think 'stability' is much more important. Even if it is a well built guitar it still requires protective care by the owner- as we know. 
 
I enjoy talking with luthiers about woods- application of, wood grains, working with, and many other aspects that I find much more interesting than the old hat opinions about what percentage of this and that- a boring trip that gets to nowhere. 
I mean, a luthier examines the woods considered for a build- checking grain, weight, tap tone etc. and decides whether or not to use it. Cull- just use the best that feels right at that moment. It's not like it's known that that piece of wood is going to have a percentage of this or that to the overall results. It's a choice made of many factors by one trying to get the best they can from the materials at hand. 
 
One building few guitars a year that may be depending on them to sell can't afford to experiment or take unnecessary risks with material choices or methods/tools. Many of the woods used have a history of successful use. Not only for creating great sounding guitars but also appealing aesthetics. 
 
Unfortunately a lot of the woods with the appealing aesthetics are relatively expensive. There are many reasons that they are. 
Many of the woods have specific uses. That's easy to understand- a dense (heavy) wood that is oily may be perfect for an unfinished fretboard, opposed to a Maple fretboard that one would want a protective finish, but it may not be the best choice for a body/neck.
 
Balance is another important aspect. Combinations of commonly used woods and design are other important considerations. 
 
Wood grain, how the wood was cut, (flatsawn, etc) 
 
I won't go on...I only wanted to share examples of why I find conversing about "percentage of this and that" so damn boring. 
 
I would think it would be best for many to just keep it "magical". I mean; We know we can go into a store and play all of the Strats hanging on the wall, all made with the same type of woods, all with the same everything and find out that there is that one...the one that is different for unknown reasons. Unknown to the ones that built it and unknown to the ones that play it. It's magic. It's a part of building that I love. I do everything to the best of my abilities with no guarantees. It's when I plug it in and find out...wow, like magic. It somehow all came together and made this fantastic instrument. Now "stability" comes in. If I do my part and take care of it, it'll perform for many years. 
I have to say...sometimes, and fortunately for me, I've only had to backup and rewind pups twice to help correct a couple that for whatever reason...just weren't quite singing. Nice thing about an electric...one may have options to make it better. 
I've also had weird ones. Nothing magical at all and if there was magic is was black. Gave me nothing but trouble from start to finish. Had to fight with every little part to the point of wanting to trash it...but I couldn't give up and finally rewarded. Luck. My magic was stronger I reckon. 
 
Well maybe I answered your question Doc and maybe some understand why I find their "tone" opinions so boring. With no offense meant of course.
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Re: what the guitar companies don't want you to know 2016/11/04 17:40:01 (permalink)
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 I also don't like it when people post that kind of crap and don't say anything...as if it matters what I think. pfftt
 
  


Spacey, You directed this statement to me. Don't shoot the messenger my friend. My post has become informative by  posts like yours so it's a good thing. These things need to be debunked. I didn't post this because I believe everything this guy said. I just want to correct the record. 

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Re: what the guitar companies don't want you to know 2016/11/04 19:13:55 (permalink)
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 I also don't like it when people post that kind of crap and don't say anything...as if it matters what I think. pfftt
 
  


Spacey, You directed this statement to me. Don't shoot the messenger my friend. My post has become informative by  posts like yours so it's a good thing. These things need to be debunked. I didn't post this because I believe everything this guy said. I just want to correct the record. 




Yes I did. I have a right to speak up about things I don't like. You posted a controversial video and said nothing. 
I would rather know your intentions, thoughts up front so if I had anything to say to you I'd know where you stood. At least you finally spoke up about it. You don't say anything what do expect people to think? 
I didn't watch it. The title told me enough about his intentions. Now I know yours. You haven't had anything to say about his thoughts you just wanted somebody else to debunk them. Ok. Now I know. 
 
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Re: what the guitar companies don't want you to know 2016/11/04 19:54:30 (permalink)
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 I also don't like it when people post that kind of crap and don't say anything...as if it matters what I think. pfftt
 
  


Spacey, You directed this statement to me. Don't shoot the messenger my friend. My post has become informative by  posts like yours so it's a good thing. These things need to be debunked. I didn't post this because I believe everything this guy said. I just want to correct the record. 




Yes I did. I have a right to speak up about things I don't like. You posted a controversial video and said nothing. 
I would rather know your intentions, thoughts up front so if I had anything to say to you I'd know where you stood. At least you finally spoke up about it. You don't say anything what do expect people to think? 
I didn't watch it. The title told me enough about his intentions. Now I know yours. You haven't had anything to say about his thoughts you just wanted somebody else to debunk them. Ok. Now I know. 
 


Wow so just by the title you formed your opinion of the video and me. That's what people don't like. If I had voiced an opinion of you based on your avatar or name you obviously find that acceptable. Interesting. 

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Re: what the guitar companies don't want you to know 2016/11/04 21:38:34 (permalink)
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 I also don't like it when people post that kind of crap and don't say anything...as if it matters what I think. pfftt
 
  


Spacey, You directed this statement to me. Don't shoot the messenger my friend. My post has become informative by  posts like yours so it's a good thing. These things need to be debunked. I didn't post this because I believe everything this guy said. I just want to correct the record. 




Yes I did. I have a right to speak up about things I don't like. You posted a controversial video and said nothing. 
I would rather know your intentions, thoughts up front so if I had anything to say to you I'd know where you stood. At least you finally spoke up about it. You don't say anything what do expect people to think? 
I didn't watch it. The title told me enough about his intentions. Now I know yours. You haven't had anything to say about his thoughts you just wanted somebody else to debunk them. Ok. Now I know. 
 


Wow so just by the title you formed your opinion of the video and me. That's what people don't like. If I had voiced an opinion of you based on your avatar or name you obviously find that acceptable. Interesting. 



You're confused. 
 
My post #5  clearly addressed the title of the video. Why I thought it was complete BS. Read the third line.
Yes I formed an opinion about that title. It was bad enough I had no intention of spending my time listening or watching anything else he had. 
 
I also stated I didn't like the way you posted. You didn't say anything so I didn't know if you were or weren't in agreement with it. 
 
 
If that doesn't clear things up for you...sorry, there's nothing more I can say. It's all here in print and I believe it is as clear as I can make it. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: what the guitar companies don't want you to know 2016/11/04 22:44:39 (permalink)
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 I also don't like it when people post that kind of crap and don't say anything...as if it matters what I think. pfftt
 
  


Spacey, You directed this statement to me. Don't shoot the messenger my friend. My post has become informative by  posts like yours so it's a good thing. These things need to be debunked. I didn't post this because I believe everything this guy said. I just want to correct the record. 




Yes I did. I have a right to speak up about things I don't like. You posted a controversial video and said nothing. 
I would rather know your intentions, thoughts up front so if I had anything to say to you I'd know where you stood. At least you finally spoke up about it. You don't say anything what do expect people to think? 
I didn't watch it. The title told me enough about his intentions. Now I know yours. You haven't had anything to say about his thoughts you just wanted somebody else to debunk them. Ok. Now I know. 
 


Wow so just by the title you formed your opinion of the video and me. That's what people don't like. If I had voiced an opinion of you based on your avatar or name you obviously find that acceptable. Interesting. 



You're confused. 
 
My post #5  clearly addressed the title of the video. Why I thought it was complete BS. Read the third line.
Yes I formed an opinion about that title. It was bad enough I had no intention of spending my time listening or watching anything else he had. 
 
I also stated I didn't like the way you posted. You didn't say anything so I didn't know if you were or weren't in agreement with it. 
 
 
If that doesn't clear things up for you...sorry, there's nothing more I can say. It's all here in print and I believe it is as clear as I can make it. 
 
 
 
 
 
 


I don't know why you take this thread so personal. If you watched the video you will find not everything he said is false. I don't know what this guys motive is nor do I care. I posted this for information. Be it wrong or right is for the individual to decide. I think I'm done here. It's a shame you got yourself all worked up over this. there are more important things to stress over. 

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Re: what the guitar companies don't want you to know 2016/11/05 08:57:47 (permalink)

"I don't know why you take this thread so personal. If you watched the video you will find not everything he said is false. I don't know what this guys motive is nor do I care. I posted this for information. Be it wrong or right is for the individual to decide. I think I'm done here. It's a shame you got yourself all worked up over this. there are more important things to stress over. " BobV




"personal", "stressed", "worked up over this"....you've misread everything I've written and now you've misread me. You've made it point to confront me and send this south. You've also convinced me that I was wrong-  posting the video and you not saying anything was probably the best way to do it. 
 
I know I'm done here. 
 
 
 
 
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Re: what the guitar companies don't want you to know 2016/11/05 14:27:29 (permalink)
I blame Trump.

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