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when will they ever fix the autosave?
I bought the upgrade form 8.5 which I use 8 hours a day to x1 just hoping they had fixed the autosave. You know what I mean. No matter what you set the number of changes or time between saves it just does it whenever it wants to. Usually much too often. Then, you turn it off because it's so annoying, then, 15 minutes later you get a crash and you just wasted time. They give us all these great new toys, but can't seem to fix a vital part of the program. Annoying to say the least.  I'm back to 8.5.
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/16 19:08:37
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"They give us all these great new toys, but can't seem to fix a vital part of the program. Annoying to say the least"
+1
As usual this issue seems to fall on deaf ears.
autosave drives me nuts also.
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/17 23:32:57
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hm.
my autoosave works perfectly.
wonder what thats about?
i hope they fix it for u in x1b
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/17 23:38:25
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mine works too..am i missing something??..you go to preferences and change the auto save value??..mine works..good luck..give me some more details...you have autosave on for every???minutes???and its not saving??that many minutes for you?
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/17 23:50:00
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timidi
"They give us all these great new toys, but can't seem to fix a vital part of the program. Annoying to say the least"
+1
As usual this issue seems to fall on deaf ears.
autosave drives me nuts also .
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/18 00:02:46
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I have auto save set to auto save every 8 changes I think. Something like that. It works great for me and has saved me a few times. But when it goes to save, I always forget and wonder what it's doing.
Like if I'm messing with PX64 on a drum part. I may turn the same knob on the Shaper many many times. And when it auto saves the screen reverts back to the compressor. And I have to click something agin in the Shaper to get it's graph to show. PITA but I live with it.
There's other things I've noticed about autosave that's a little anoying, but like I said, it's saved me many times before.
I don't use "save every XX minutes" because I always forget that I have it set to that and There are certain things you don't want to be in the middle of and the time comes up it will save no matter what. But with "save every 10 changes" it won't save until your done with the thing your doing, then it saves right after.
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/18 01:51:55
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Autosave working as it should here. I can't see the logic of going back to 8.5 where it's also not working for you though?
Is there something else with X1 that's causing problems?
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/18 06:06:28
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BlixYZ
my autoosave works perfectly.
Mine too. I have it "built in" in to my fingers... almost evertime I do some changes my finger hit Ctrl+S "automatically... and this goes for all other Windows based program I use... 
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/18 07:02:19
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Mine too. I have it "built in" in to my fingers... almost evertime I do some changes my finger hit Ctrl+S "automatically... and this goes for all other Windows based program I use... + 100000000000000000000000
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/18 08:05:54
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Mine saves every 5 minutes and causes no problems. I'd never disable it - it has proven its worth too many times in the past.
What does that say about Sonar's stability though?
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/18 08:22:23
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My auto-save works perfectly ... set for every 50 changes (which isn't that much considering if I am just testing presets in a synth, they count that as a change)
Dunno what could be going on ..
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/18 11:07:54
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HMusikk
BlixYZ
my autoosave works perfectly.
Mine too. I have it "built in" in to my fingers... almost evertime I do some changes my finger hit Ctrl+S "automatically... and this goes for all other Windows based program I use...
I forgot about this. It isn't "auto", But I have done this over the past three or four years now. When I make big changes, get a good take, things like that, I don't care if it just autosaved, I still hit "the combo"!
post edited by Grem - 2011/02/18 11:11:00
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/18 20:01:30
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Chregg
Mine too. I have it "built in" in to my fingers... almost evertime I do some changes my finger hit Ctrl+S "automatically... and this goes for all other Windows based program I use...
+ 100000000000000000000000
Ditto, I tried using auto save on a session once until it started saving right in the middle of precise edit which ended up in errors. Been using the "built in" version ever since.
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/18 23:40:59
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Usually autosave seems to work fine for me. Where I start running into problems is when I have projects that have a lot of samples loaded into RAM. The last few projects I've done used a lot of the EW Symphonic Orchestra. I had several instances loaded & about 8 gig of RAM loaded. Every time I made a change it would autosave... and with a project like that the autosaves takes 10 seconds or so, which is a real flow killer. I ended up turning it off & putting a big note on the side of my monitor that said AUTOSAVE IS OFF!!! to remind me to save more often.
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/20 09:01:21
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I never use Autosave. It drives me crazy having the computer set to "Smarter than me" so I leave it off. It has burned me a couple times not having it on but I save with out even noticing it using Ctrl-S. I sit there, play back something, hear a small "fart" in the audio wondering what it is, then realizing it was me hitting Ctrl-S It's Auto enough for me Having said that, I tested it a few versions back and it seemed to work great. Unless something has changed I'd imagine that it would be pretty much the same still.
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/20 10:32:29
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Auto-save has always worked fine for me from the original Cakewalk to X1. But CTRL+S is a much safer and better way to keep your project saved. Autosave, like so much else on your system, runs without your bidding, and therefore interrupts your program to do its thing. I'd rather do the manual save frequently, knowing that auto won't push me over into a dropout.
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/20 11:09:57
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Wouldn't it be nice to have an auto-save with a "save-as option" (or a save-as shortcut) that would automatically number a save sequentially?
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/20 17:58:19
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The auto-save does have versioning, or at least it did in 7. As far as the "save as" thing, that would be pretty easy to affect on your own. Now if they could keep it from crashing, that would be a good thing... <SMILE>
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/20 19:41:09
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Yea, cntrl/save works. Amazingly stupid that Sonar will autosave immediately after you cntrl/save.
I noticed that some use the 'x amount of changes' vs. time. These seem to be the folks that are happy with autosave. Maybe something there and maybe the argument is about the timed autosave. For me, I have it set to like 20 minutes. But, it will autosave whenever it feels like it. Using the 'x amount of changes' is sort of ridiculous as any you could dittle with an eq for 3 minutes and eat up 30 changes.
All that said, to me, the big problem is just the amount of time it takes (sometimes) to save or autosave.
I mean, not much has changed in the last 20 minutes with the data, but, still save or autosave can take up to 45 seconds. that's ridiculous and a huge inspiration killer.
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/20 19:52:48
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timidi
Yea, cntrl/save works. Amazingly stupid that Sonar will autosave immediately after you cntrl/save.
I noticed that some use the 'x amount of changes' vs. time. These seem to be the folks that are happy with autosave. Maybe something there and maybe the argument is about the timed autosave. For me, I have it set to like 20 minutes. But, it will autosave whenever it feels like it. Using the 'x amount of changes' is sort of ridiculous as any you could dittle with an eq for 3 minutes and eat up 30 changes.
All that said, to me, the big problem is just the amount of time it takes (sometimes) to save or autosave.
I mean, not much has changed in the last 20 minutes with the data, but, still save or autosave can take up to 45 seconds. that's ridiculous and a huge inspiration killer.
Hey Bob Cain. Yea, been here for 20 years or so:) Thanks for the kudos on the CD. Glad you like it. I'm sure autosave was used during the creation (just staying in the thread:) Nice to see you (we've done this before BTW:) LOL..
Autosave seems to have a mind of its own on my system. I have crashed several times when attempting to do something and then Autosave indiscriminately decides to start saving.
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/20 21:17:52
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Autosave seems to have a mind of its own on my system. I have crashed several times when attempting to do something and then Autosave indiscriminately decides to start saving.
Yes it will do that when you have it set to "Auto Save Every 5 Min" then when 5 minutes comes around it autosaves like you told it to do. It doesn't care what you are doing. And I believe that's a lot of the reason some don't like autosave. It will try to save while you are recording a trk. It will save when the time comes. However, if you have it set to "Auto Save every XX Changes", it won't do it while you are recording, it'll wait to save after your finished. That's what is good about that option.
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/20 21:24:10
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Grem
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Autosave seems to have a mind of its own on my system. I have crashed several times when attempting to do something and then Autosave indiscriminately decides to start saving.
Yes it will do that when you have it set to "Auto Save Every 5 Min" then when 5 minutes comes around it autosaves like you told it to do. It doesn't care what you are doing. And I believe that's a lot of the reason some don't like autosave. It will try to save while you are recording a trk. It will save when the time comes.
However, if you have it set to "Auto Save every XX Changes", it won't do it while you are recording, it'll wait to save after your finished. That's what is good about that option.
Ummm, yeah, except it will save whenever the hell it wants to, not following either of those parameters. It will save in such an unfathomable manner that never happened in earlier versions.
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/20 22:26:26
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Yes it will do that when you have it set to "Auto Save Every 5 Min" then when 5 minutes comes around it autosaves like you told it to do no, it doesn't. hence this thread. If it works for you great. But, that doesn't mean that those that it doesn't work for properly are imagining things. As James said, it has a mind of it's own. That said, and as I said earlier, the worst part of autosave is the 'save' function which sometimes takes forever. so, I submit that the save function is more broken than autosave.
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/20 23:59:39
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BlixYZ
my autoosave works perfectly.
Mine too. I have it "built in" in to my fingers... almost evertime I do some changes my finger hit Ctrl+S "automatically... and this goes for all other Windows based program I use...
Another thumbs up for this post - It's so easy to make CTRL+S a part of your routine. I'm often saving several times each minute as I'm working on edits. It's just an easily ingrained habit. I'd never let Sonar or any other program decide when it wants to save for me. I was happy to see in the excellent Groove 3 video tutorials that everyone was raving about, that the advice given in one tute was not to use auto save, but to use CTRL+S instead. Just start making CTRL+S part of your work habit - you'll be "auto saving" without even thinking about it in a very short time. Randy B.
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/21 02:03:14
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Amazingly stupid that Sonar will autosave immediately after you cntrl/save. Yes & no, autosave saves to it's own file so sometimes I'll use it like a temporary versioning if I'm off on a tangent with a project. I also regularly use Ctrl-S under normal circumstances which as pointed out I also have control over. I noticed you also said saving takes a long time, do you find that all the time? I've recently had that on a project where saving takes several seconds (5 or 6+) where normally my projects save in no more than couple of seconds regardless of size. I think that must have been some sort of quirk with that one project, it's the only one that has ever taken that long although others have mentioned Audiosnap can cause saving to take a while if it's applied to tracks even if not actually using it. I also find size of a project has little to do with save time, as far as I understand it the save is saving pointers and layouut etc rather than actual audio which is saved as it's written. Having said that I use lots of external gear rather than virtual instruments so that may make a difference. If my saves where taking several seconds I wouldn't be using autosave either. AFAIK autosave has never saved for me while recording or playing back either regardless of settings.
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/21 04:19:06
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I've had CTRL+S built in since Windows 95.
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/21 07:37:37
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You guys do know that cntrl/save has nothing to do with autosave not working correctly.
It is another workaround.
It's Like saying, I don't need audiosnap, I tap my foot.
I use cntrl/save. But, I also would like autosave to work like it's supposed to.
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/21 07:49:09
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Grem
I don't use "save every XX minutes" because I always forget that I have it set to that and There are certain things you don't want to be in the middle of and the time comes up it will save no matter what. But with "save every 10 changes" it won't save until your done with the thing your doing, then it saves right after.
and that's the wisest way to use it I believe. sometimes you are making some changes so fast and sometimes you just want to listen to the mix 20 times just to make sure. in the first scenario, sonar will autosave the project after X minutes (maybe 50-60 changes if you work fast, which means you are screwed if evil strikes), and in the second scenario you are just listening to the music and sonar overwrites the same project without any change.
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/21 07:53:40
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I use cntrl/save. But, I also would like autosave to work like it's supposed to. It does, doesn't it?
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Re:when will they ever fix the autosave?
2011/02/21 07:56:50
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i believe it does  ! this question was first adressed to Ross in the comedy series "Friends"!
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