Vergor
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where are all the recording level adjustments?
One thing that does not seem to be easily covered by cakewalk is how to set recording levels in sonar, let's say sonar 8.
The only way I could find to set recording levels in sonar was under console view, their was two active meters, one with a level adjustment option.
are their other places to set recording levels in sonar besides under console view or is this the only place?
Oh and by recording level adjustments I mean, sensitivity/clip, and input levels which directly affect how hot a recording is when it is made
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
2010/02/15 20:18:06
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You don't set record levels in Sonar.
You set your levels before they get to Sonar. The faders are for adjusting playback level only.
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
2010/02/15 20:49:17
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Input levels are set via your audio interface. Most modern interfaces include a software-based application that allows you to control input levels (among other things). If the interface doesn't include an app, then you usually need to set levels via the hardware itself. Scott -- Scott R. Garrigus - Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series. Get Sonar 8 Power - Today! Go to: http://www.garrigus.com/ - http://www.musictechshop.com/ - http://www.cooltechshop.com/ Publisher of DigiFreq - free music technology newsletter. Win a free SoundTech Vocal Trainer Package, go to: http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/ Publisher of NewTechReview - free consumer technology newsletter. Win a free i2i Stream Wireless Music Pack, go to: http://www.newtechreview.com/newtechreview/
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
2010/02/15 21:02:06
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Not complaining mind you or bashing Sonar, but this seems like a real short coming to me. I have learned to work around it, but it seems like it would be fairly easy to do and would make controlling things, especially during a live take for example, so much easier than jumping back and forth between the Sonar screens and your interface mixer screen. Is this something that others would like to see in a future release? 
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
2010/02/15 21:34:18
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Thanks, making a jump from hardware based recording devices such as digital portable studios to software based has proved a bit tricky, anyone willing to point out my misunderstandings to me is always appreciated.
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
2010/02/15 21:42:38
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One thing that will help is telling us what interface you are using with Sonar. As mentioned above, your interface is were you set recording levels.
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
2010/02/15 21:55:18
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Sure, no problem.
I have four I'm testing.
The one that interests me most is my Delta 1010LT for obvious reasons.
However the ASIO driver interface does not seem to control the input levels, I have posted a question to M-Audio concerning this, probably some stupid mistake I'm making.
other sound cards I will be testing are.
Sound Blaster audigy 2zs
Sound Blaster Live
and Realtek ALC662 on board sound card with what says low distortion audio design let SNR over 95db
As I sure you have guessed I want to find the card that will give me the best S/N ratio, I know I could just read the stats, but I would rather use my ears, even though the stats say one thing it does not mean they did not use low end parts on the card which could compromise the overall quality of my recording.
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
2010/02/15 22:14:51
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From the Delta 1010LT manual:
"Delta 1010LT Control Panel Software - PC
Once the Delta 1010LT is properly installed, an "M Audio Delta H/W" icon will be
displayed in your Windows Control Panel. By double-clicking on that icon, you will
launch the Delta Control Panel software. You may also launch the Delta Control Panel
software from the desktop if you have previously created a shortcut there (see "Verifying
Delta Control Panel Software Installation" section for instructions on how to do this).
Once the Delta Control Panel software has been opened, you will see the main panel and
its several tabs. To display a desired page, click on its tab. Below are functional
descriptions of each page.
NOTE: When using a music software program that is ASIO capable,
launch the Delta Control Panel software from within that program.
There will be a button in the ASIO or Audio setup page that will
allow you to do so. Some of the control panel functions will be
controlled from within that program, such as master clock setting
and sample rate, so it is desirable to launch the music program
first, and then the Delta Control Panel from the the program’s
“launch” or “control panel” button. Without the music program
open however, it is okay to open the Delta panel from your desktop
or other location."
Have you tried this?
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
2010/02/15 22:18:03
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19 frets
Not complaining mind you or bashing Sonar, but this seems like a real short coming to me. I have learned to work around it, but it seems like it would be fairly easy to do and would make controlling things, especially during a live take for example, so much easier than jumping back and forth between the Sonar screens and your interface mixer screen. Is this something that others would like to see in a future release?
Not sure what you're after here. Basically, Sonar takes what your audio device makes available, and then puts it into an application that allows you to monitor/edit/record/sync with midi/ etc. There is a point where you must make quality input available to the application. Brian
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
2010/02/15 22:33:07
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Vergor
Sure, no problem.
I have four I'm testing.
The one that interests me most is my Delta 1010LT for obvious reasons.
However the ASIO driver interface does not seem to control the input levels, I have posted a question to M-Audio concerning this, probably some stupid mistake I'm making.
other sound cards I will be testing are.
Sound Blaster audigy 2zs
Sound Blaster Live
and Realtek ALC662 on board sound card with what says low distortion audio design let SNR over 95db
As I sure you have guessed I want to find the card that will give me the best S/N ratio, I know I could just read the stats, but I would rather use my ears, even though the stats say one thing it does not mean they did not use low end parts on the card which could compromise the overall quality of my recording.
I am using a delta 1010 and a delta 66. they both have adjustments to the input levels but they work differently. I'm not sure on the 1010lt but it think it will be similar to the delta 66 I have. Once you launch the Delta panel select the input tab at the top. My Delta 66 has input level options of +4db, Con, and -10db. I have to select the one that works best with the input source without clipping. On my Delta 1010 there are buttons next to each input and output to select between +4 db and -10db it is not controlled by the Delta Panel. Hope that helps.
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
2010/02/15 22:45:44
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Stone House Studios
19 frets
Not complaining mind you or bashing Sonar, but this seems like a real short coming to me. I have learned to work around it, but it seems like it would be fairly easy to do and would make controlling things, especially during a live take for example, so much easier than jumping back and forth between the Sonar screens and your interface mixer screen. Is this something that others would like to see in a future release?
Not sure what you're after here. Basically, Sonar takes what your audio device makes available, and then puts it into an application that allows you to monitor/edit/record/sync with midi/ etc.
There is a point where you must make quality input available to the application.
Brian
Yes, and another way to see this is, how would Sonar control your analog gain level before it hits the a/d converters? Now I'm curious though, is it fairly common to have only software control of you input gains? That seems alien to me as everything I've used you controlled at the analog device's knobs, and Sonar's meters indicate my record levels.
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
2010/02/16 00:56:46
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Vergor
Sure, no problem.
I have four I'm testing.
The one that interests me most is my Delta 1010LT for obvious reasons.
However the ASIO driver interface does not seem to control the input levels, I have posted a question to M-Audio concerning this, probably some stupid mistake I'm making.
other sound cards I will be testing are.
Sound Blaster audigy 2zs
Sound Blaster Live
and Realtek ALC662 on board sound card with what says low distortion audio design let SNR over 95db
As I sure you have guessed I want to find the card that will give me the best S/N ratio, I know I could just read the stats, but I would rather use my ears, even though the stats say one thing it does not mean they did not use low end parts on the card which could compromise the overall quality of my recording.
Vergor, If you already have a Delta 1010 why on earth would you even consider Soundblaster or Realtek?
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
2010/02/16 01:14:25
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Vergor
The only way I could find to set recording levels in sonar was under console view, their was two active meters, one with a level adjustment option.
are their other places to set recording levels in sonar besides under console view or is this the only place?
I suspect you have your track inspector turned off. Just hit the letter "I" to turn it on/off to give you the same fader option as in console view. Click on the track and the fader will be activated for that track.
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
2010/02/16 01:27:59
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That still has nothing to do with settting input levels....
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
2010/02/16 01:33:34
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papa2005
That still has nothing to do with settting input levels....
I was just making him aware that the fader is available in track view as he had mentioned. I wasn't addressing the input issued as per section quoted. Just providing a helpful hint for available tools.
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
2010/02/16 03:14:53
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No doubt the V-Studio does what the OP wants in some way or another, but I'm pretty certain it won't be using any Sonar Code to do that.
I guess this is where something like Pro Tools makes use of closely coupled links to proprietry hardware devices.
If they don't want or have a software front end to their interface a sensible solution for the OP would be to purchase an inexpensive mixer with multiple outs.
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
2010/02/16 06:11:19
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19 frets
Not complaining mind you or bashing Sonar, but this seems like a real short coming to me. I have learned to work around it, but it seems like it would be fairly easy to do and would make controlling things, especially during a live take for example, so much easier than jumping back and forth between the Sonar screens and your interface mixer screen. Is this something that others would like to see in a future release?
No. Under your scheme, it would be all too easy to drive your pre-amp/interface into clipping and then drag the level down in SONAR AFTER it's clipped and you/ve ruined your signal.
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
2010/02/16 06:20:22
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Not complaining mind you or bashing Sonar, but this seems like a real short coming to me. I have learned to work around it, but it seems like it would be fairly easy to do and would make controlling things, especially during a live take for example, so much easier than jumping back and forth between the Sonar screens and your interface mixer screen. Is this something that others would like to see in a future release? You learned to work around it? How did you do that? Perhaps you learned to set you levels via hardware just as you did with your old hardware. I don't see how Sonar or any other DAW can change the input gain on an audio interface before the audio is digitized. That is what we are talking about. I don't believe PT can either. After it is digitized its too late to set levels.
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
2010/02/16 09:32:26
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See, now I'm confused because I have been using the track inspector fader in the track view to set my record levels, yes I am new to this.
Now I have just been having a play using my UA-101 input monitor, it seems pretty primative, but what level should it be set to? there is no VU meter just a green/yellow/red flashing light. That seems a bit hit and miss. the other thing that confuses me is, if I change the input signal level on the front panel of the UA-101then the track inspector fader level increases and decreases but if I increase the input monitor fader level, nothing happens in the inspector view. please help me understand what is going.
I thought I was getting the hang of the basics......I guess not :-(
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
2010/02/16 09:50:55
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For recording in Sonar.
1, Set all faders in Sonar to unity gain. This also means the trim controls. Unity gain is the 0 position and is not 0 dB. This can be quickly done by double clicking on any fader.
2, Arm the track/s.
3, Play your instrument. Watch the meters. They should be set to peak. If the meters go into the red lower the input volume on the your audio interface or amp or whatever has control over volume. Do not change the faders in Sonar.
4, When all is set as above hit the record button. Record your audio.
This above is for a 24 bit recording.
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
2010/02/16 09:58:01
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1: Select or create an audio track.
2: Choose your input channel for that track.
3: Connect your instrument or microphone to the interface.
4: Arm the track in Sonar.
5: Play something and watch the meter on the armed track.
6: Set the desired level using the interface control panel or gain adjustment on the interface.
7: Hit record on the transport bar in Sonar and record away.
8: Enjoy the fame and fortune from your newly recorded hit.
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
2010/02/16 10:00:31
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John
For recording in Sonar.
1, Set all faders in Sonar to unity gain. This also means the trim controls. Unity gain is the 0 position and is not 0 dB. This can be quickly done by double clicking on any fader.
2, Arm the track/s.
3, Play your instrument. Watch the meters. They should be set to peak. If the meters go into the red lower the input volume on the your audio interface or amp or whatever has control over volume. Do not change the faders in Sonar.
4, When all is set as above hit the record button. Record your audio.
This above is for a 24 bit recording.
Of course!!!!
I was just coming back to here to say - I sat and thought about what I was doing. The Monitor mixer is just for that - mixing the monitor outout - Dufus I am!
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
2010/02/16 10:07:58
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edentowers
No doubt the V-Studio does what the OP wants in some way or another, but I'm pretty certain it won't be using any Sonar Code to do that.
Phil
Yes and no. SONAR itself can't do it, but you can control the V-Studio levels by opening the Control Panel, which can be accessed via the SONAR Tools menu. Even better, the input levels can be controlled directly from the Control Surface. The system is extremely flexible. http://garrigus.com/?VStudio700 Scott -- Scott R. Garrigus - Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series. Get Sonar 8 Power - Today! Go to: http://www.garrigus.com/ - http://www.musictechshop.com/ - http://www.cooltechshop.com/ Publisher of DigiFreq - free music technology newsletter. Win a free SoundTech Vocal Trainer Package, go to: http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/ Publisher of NewTechReview - free consumer technology newsletter. Win a free i2i Stream Wireless Music Pack, go to: http://www.newtechreview.com/newtechreview/
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
2010/02/16 10:08:04
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I was just coming back to here to say - I sat and thought about what I was doing. The Monitor mixer is just for that - mixing the monitor outout - Dufus I am! No no no. You are not. This has bitten more people then anyone will care to admit. As a matter of fact this has been a recent correction in another thread. Even long time users have been mistaken on this. BTW its in the manual.  You know what that means? They didn't read about how to record using Sonar. To me that is the real bone head thing. A new user has a lot to learn and this is just one more thing that is among a huge pile of things that has to be learned.
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
2010/02/16 10:24:04
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I've just had a play with my UA-101's control panel. It IS pretty lame. But it does seem like all that it is capable of doing is providing a monitor mix for the UA-101's inputs and outputs. There is no way to adjust the level of the incoming signal, you just get that three colour LED thingy.
John is absolutely correct in insisting that Sonar is not used to adjust the recording levels. That has to be done on the way in. On the UA-101 the only way you can do that is with the level trims on each side of input 1 and 2 on the front panel. The rest require an outboard device like a mixer, or a DI output from an amp that can be adjusted at source.
I have a mixer with each of its 8 busses hard wired to the UA-101's inputs so level control is easy for me.
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
2010/02/16 10:34:07
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John
I was just coming back to here to say - I sat and thought about what I was doing. The Monitor mixer is just for that - mixing the monitor outout - Dufus I am!
No no no. You are not. This has bitten more people then anyone will care to admit. As a matter of fact this has been a recent correction in another thread. Even long time users have been mistaken on this. BTW its in the manual. You know what that means? They didn't read about how to record using Sonar. To me that is the real bone head thing.
A new user has a lot to learn and this is just one more thing that is among a huge pile of things that has to be learned.
Well yes I do know what it means, and in fairness, I was doing things correctly, reading this thread made me start to doubt myself, having re-read the UA-101 manual was when I realised my input monitoring mistake. All the talk of setting the input levels in the mixer software suddenly made me doubt myself. Still at least this has all confirmed that I need not be concerned with what I am doing.......for now ;-)
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
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I've just moved to a new computer running Win7. Bought an Alesis IO|2 since my old fireware interface wasn't supported any more. And had to upgrade to SONAR X1 Producer.
I don't remember having any issue before with input levels but they're my source of pain today.
I'm using the IO|2 in MME driver mode as recommended by Cakewalk. When I set the input level appropriately on the IO|2 so its built in meter is staying in the high green, I got horribly distorted output in SONAR so I went looking for input trim.
Everytually right clicked on the volume control icon, selected Recording Devices --> IO|2 --> Levels and had to set it to about 1 to get a low distortion input. But I'm getting a background high pitched sound that's gating with the level of the input which makes me think levels are drastically off and having to 1 out of 100 also makes me think I've got a gain-staging issue.
I read through this whole thread and never got a clear understanding of the digital signal path from the interface to SONAR.
Any tips on using the IO|2 and setting input levels? The IO|2 also seems prone to drop-outs which I never had before. CPU usage is super low on a project with just some straight audio tracks. Just buy a better interface?
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
2012/09/02 15:26:20
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You don't say what you're recording - from a mic? Guitar? Keyboard?
Whatever it is, you select the correct input and adjust your gain using the control on the IO2
Have a track in Sonar with it's input routed from the Alesis. If it's a mono signal you must select one of the appropriate mono channels exposed by the Alesis.
Hit the 'R' button to arm the track and sing/play in order to get an idea of what your input level is doing. Adjust the gain on the Alesis so that you're not peaking above about -6dB. Some people recommend -9dB or even lower. You do not want to record 'hot' in a 24 bit system. (You are recording @ 24 bit yes?)
Note that adjusting either the trim or the fader in Sonar at this point does absolutely nothing to affect the level of your input signal.
These controls are for mixing only
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
2012/09/02 17:13:12
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I'm plugging a bass into the Alesis. Yes, I set the levels on the Alesis but then by the time SONAR gets it, it's super clipped square waves. Only by reducing the gain in the Win7 audio mixer to I have something SONAR can handle. I don't recall having to do that before.
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Re:where are all the recording level adjustments?
2012/09/02 17:15:34
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P.S. Tried both instrument and line switch settings, same funny high pitched sound. Still need Win7 input set on 1 too.
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