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2017/09/11 21:53:05 (permalink)

who's using speaker Impulse Responses for recording electric guitar?

suggestions?
opinions?
insights?
what is your setup?
have you a/b'd it against the real deal?
latency issues?
which host and which IR's?
what is the source?
 
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Re: who's using speaker Impulse Responses for recording electric guitar? 2017/09/12 15:42:42 (permalink)
wow.

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Re: who's using speaker Impulse Responses for recording electric guitar? 2017/09/12 20:08:51 (permalink)
Me, occasionally.  Usually use them in my hardware modeler when recording direct. I also record my guitar direct or through a pre-amp and then apply an IR when mixing to help get the sound I want.

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Re: who's using speaker Impulse Responses for recording electric guitar? 2017/09/12 23:48:24 (permalink)
Rosen Digital, Redwirez is what I use. Depends on the amp and the genre. I started with Redwirez, you can buy them individually to get you started.

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Re: who's using speaker Impulse Responses for recording electric guitar? 2017/09/13 12:40:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby clintmartin 2017/09/13 18:14:02
Check out the Ownhammer ir's. You can use them with a variety of setups, though I am using them with S-Gear...
 
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Re: who's using speaker Impulse Responses for recording electric guitar? 2017/09/13 13:44:39 (permalink)
I use them for everything. My main recording rig is a Fractal Audio Axe FX II, I do use some of their stock IR's (which also includes some by pro IR makers beyond FAS) and get good results but my IR world changed when I started to use Ownhammer stuff. About a year ago I picked up the Heavy Hitters pack that has IR's made using a Marshall 1960 cab, a Diezel 4x12, a Mesa oversized 4x12, and an Orange 4x12. Each cab has V30's and 2 other speaker options plus blends. There's over 1,000 IR's in that pack. I really dig his IR's, my only complaint is that they don't have that top end bite/sizzle that I love, but do you really need that in a mix?

I have several Redwirez, in fact they were the first IR's I ever used, I got them for a project I did back in 2010 when I used Randall MTS preamps direct. They are really great for their time but the tech has changed so much that they just don't hold up to what's available now. Celestion has also entered the IR market, I have tried their free mix and I do like it a lot, I should have bought some when they were 50% off, if they ever do that sale again I'm on it!

FWIW, I prefer to record from my Axe FX with out the IR block turned on, then using Perfect Space or another IR plug on the track. This allows me to audition more IR's, also it allows me to make some pretty drastic tone changes with out reamping and it actually sounds like there is a little more high end frequency (well for guitar) information there than having the IR on in Axe FX. I hope this helped please feel free to hit me up if I can help in any way.
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Re: who's using speaker Impulse Responses for recording electric guitar? 2017/09/13 18:23:39 (permalink)
Ownhammer, Celestionplus, and Redwirez are my favorite brands.
MixIRII by Redwirez is still my favorite IR loader...nothing else really compares with it IMHO.
I audition with MixIRII as I have everyone of my IRs in it's library. Once I find what I'm looking for I will install that IR or IR mix into S-Gear.
S-Gear has a few cool tools that are worth using in it's cab section.
I assume you'll be using your Mesa head and not software?
Rosen has a free IR loader that may be worth trying, but read up on the Redwirez Bigbox collection. I still think it's a great deal even if most people prefer Ownhammer or Celestion over the Redwirez IRs these days.
Heres a link http://www.redwirez.com/mixir2.jsp#  if you want to read the MIxIRII user guide.

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Re: who's using speaker Impulse Responses for recording electric guitar? 2017/09/13 18:36:28 (permalink)
wow.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: who's using speaker Impulse Responses for recording electric guitar? 2017/09/13 20:22:20 (permalink)
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wow.
 
 
 
 
 
he's not come back 


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Re: who's using speaker Impulse Responses for recording electric guitar? 2017/09/13 20:30:33 (permalink)
ok, some cool responses, thanks folks... 
i may be hitting you guys up with some 'specific' question in the near future.
 
i'll be using my mesa boogie markIIb head.....
 
the question is, how to get the proper signal out of the boogie, and into the DAW.
Now, the boogie has it's own "SLAVE" out, with a level pot.....
but i've never used it.
 
to date, i've been using a Palmer PDI-09, a specialized DI box with cab filter circuit on it.
works great, it is what you guys have heard if you've checked out any of my recordings...
 
i really like it, but the IR's, and specifically Pete Thorn's vids have turned me onto the idea of using them.
 
with the Palmer, i can't use that line level, because i cannot defeat the cab filter that's already put onto the line out.
 
but, i also have a weber attenuator.
 
it has a line level out.
no level control on it, but i also have a A Designs Audio ATTY passive attenuator i can use to dial in the level from the weber.
 
i'm thinking THAT's how i'm going to get my line level into the daw.
 
anyone dealing with high wattage tube amps, and NOT buying or using the Suhr reactive load?!
 
 

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Re: who's using speaker Impulse Responses for recording electric guitar? 2017/09/13 20:40:26 (permalink)
For amp modelling I normally use S-Gear and it uses convolution for the speaker sim. I have some Celestion IRs I use in addition to what's in S-Gear.
 
https://www.celestionplus.com/
 
When I record I normally use a VG-99 (whether I'm modelling the guitar or not) with the amp model turned off. The sub-outs are routed into a mixer and the mixer into the audio I/F so I'm all setup. The speaker sim on the VG-99 isn't very good so if I do use its amp models I won't use the speaker sim, I'll use S-Gear with just a speaker IR. 
 
I haven't had any problem with latency.
 

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Re: who's using speaker Impulse Responses for recording electric guitar? 2017/09/13 21:49:23 (permalink)
batsbrew
ok, some cool responses, thanks folks... 
i may be hitting you guys up with some 'specific' question in the near future.
 
i'll be using my mesa boogie markIIb head.....
 
the question is, how to get the proper signal out of the boogie, and into the DAW.
Now, the boogie has it's own "SLAVE" out, with a level pot.....
but i've never used it.
 
to date, i've been using a Palmer PDI-09, a specialized DI box with cab filter circuit on it.
works great, it is what you guys have heard if you've checked out any of my recordings...
 
i really like it, but the IR's, and specifically Pete Thorn's vids have turned me onto the idea of using them.
 
with the Palmer, i can't use that line level, because i cannot defeat the cab filter that's already put onto the line out.
 
but, i also have a weber attenuator.
 
it has a line level out.
no level control on it, but i also have a A Designs Audio ATTY passive attenuator i can use to dial in the level from the weber.
 
i'm thinking THAT's how i'm going to get my line level into the daw.
 
anyone dealing with high wattage tube amps, and NOT buying or using the Suhr reactive load?!
 
 


Pete Thorn uses MixIRII also.

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Re: who's using speaker Impulse Responses for recording electric guitar? 2017/09/13 22:42:16 (permalink)
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For amp modelling I normally use S-Gear and it uses convolution for the speaker sim. I have some Celestion IRs I use in addition to what's in S-Gear.
 
https://www.celestionplus.com/
 
When I record I normally use a VG-99 (whether I'm modelling the guitar or not) with the amp model turned off. The sub-outs are routed into a mixer and the mixer into the audio I/F so I'm all setup. The speaker sim on the VG-99 isn't very good so if I do use its amp models I won't use the speaker sim, I'll use S-Gear with just a speaker IR. 
 
I haven't had any problem with latency.
 


hi rsinger,
i'm not at all interested in amp modeling.
 
only taking line levels from tube amps and dialing in the speaker IR's.....

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Re: who's using speaker Impulse Responses for recording electric guitar? 2017/09/13 22:46:56 (permalink)
clintmartin
 
Pete Thorn uses MixIRII also.




 
yep, so does Scott Henderson,
and that's where i heard about it first...
scott henderson:
"I don't know that app so I wouldn't be the right guy to ask. I'm going to burn a bridge here and advise you that the IR player plug-in makes a big difference in the sound of the IR. Pete Thorn told me about mixIR 2, made by Redwirez. It costs 50 bucks, but it's way worth it. 

Most IR players (especially the free ones like Wall Of Sound III and NadIR) truncate the sample. Many of the best IR's are 500 ms, so when the player reduces it down to 18 ms like Wall Of Sound does, you loose bass and and overall sound quality. 

I never would've believed this, but I heard it with my own ears, and the difference isn't subtle at all. So now the Two Notes guys can hate me, but they need to re-design their software to play longer samples."

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Re: who's using speaker Impulse Responses for recording electric guitar? 2017/09/13 23:34:10 (permalink)
What does perfect space in Sonar do? That's what I use mostly
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Re: who's using speaker Impulse Responses for recording electric guitar? 2017/09/14 00:03:00 (permalink)
i don't know.
i have sonar 6 PE.
 
is it in there?

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Re: who's using speaker Impulse Responses for recording electric guitar? 2017/09/14 00:13:23 (permalink)
Yeah bats, its in there. PE6 was my first foray into Sonar.
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Re: who's using speaker Impulse Responses for recording electric guitar? 2017/09/14 01:17:05 (permalink)
ok, i'll experiment.
 
actually, here's the deal...
 
i'm in the middle of the big final mixdown for my new album "Trouble"
 
those tracks are done, mixes are 99%, and i'm about to start final mastering and then disc burning.
 
i can't get sidetracked with this new IR approach YET>........
until i get through this album mix.
 
then, i'm building a new DAW.....
my first in almost 10 years.
i'll update to S Plat or Pro, 
and then, i'll dive into this whole hog.
 
i'm gathering info now.
 
 
 
my young bud, who has a band here local, and is diving into some of their first real recording sessions,
i told all about this IR stuff..... even tho i'm not using it myself.
he was intrigued....
 
borrowed my weber attenuator, ATTY, and is using guitar rig to host his celestion IR's he bought, using his vox ac30 as his tone generator....
 
hooked it up last night,
and even without good level control of his line level, 
found awesome tones using the line out and IR.....
 
he's sold,
 
so i figure i ought to at least check it out too!!
 

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Re: who's using speaker Impulse Responses for recording electric guitar? 2017/09/14 04:08:24 (permalink)
In case you are wondering (I used to service Boogies) the Boogie Slave output is from the secondary of the output transformer i.e. the signal feeding the speaker. Obviously attenuated. So at least it has got the sound of everything right up to the speaker. The speaker load has to be connected.
 
Try it and see. You never know it might be an OK sound.

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Re: who's using speaker Impulse Responses for recording electric guitar? 2017/09/14 14:06:34 (permalink)
sounds like a plan jeff!
 
right now, i have at least 3 methods available to go line level into my babyface pro...
 
with options for external mic preamps as well.....
 
to date, the palmer has given me the most consistent full range tone,
almost identical to a close miced greenback with a sm57.
 

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Re: who's using speaker Impulse Responses for recording electric guitar? 2017/09/14 16:56:50 (permalink)
a follow up:
 
as to my buddy's recording session using some of my gear, and adding IR's into the mix:
 
total success.
 
they had done previous sessions, using actual sm57 on vox AC30's, good sessions, but they repeated the tracking of the same songs using IR versions of the real thing (sm57 on vox ac30 with celestion blues) and said the sound quality was night and day.
 
interesting.
 
that was done using my weber Mass Lite's line level out to control the input level, using the attenuator as the only load,  monitoring thru the mixdown monitors using the plug and IR, got their best results to date.
and that was on the first try!
 
 

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