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This thread should have been moved.
Why was it locked?
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My 2nd contribution to the topic:
10: Sonar does not cost enough.
Unfortunately cost and quality are related without reason.
But, Perception is reality.
Sonar should have always cost more than Pro Tools.
And Unit Sales and Market share almost never correspond to company profit.
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Karyn
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 19:45:15
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Was my explanation not clear enough?
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 19:47:26
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It was arbitrary.
It should have been moved to the Coffee House.
Because it is a legitimate conversation.
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 19:51:54
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Your question is answered in the thread.
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 19:52:29
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the REAL reason, is that people are not comfortable with pure honesty and are not open for true debate. Especially when you are criticizing the product they use. It's kinda like politics.
People claim to be open to conversation, but then the ego rises like a phoenix from the flame.
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 19:56:35
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alewgro
the REAL reason,
Unless you're claiming to be able to read my mind please refrain from posting speculation when I already gave my reason.
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 19:58:28
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Karyn
alewgro
the REAL reason,
Unless you're claiming to be able to read my mind please refrain from posting speculation when I already gave my reason.
No - can't read your mind, but that's usually the case I've seen on here. Most people's concerns are not for the OP's feelings, especially when they are criticizing the product.
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 20:11:02
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FWIW, the OP also posted the same thing on Gearslutz. Don't know what his motivation is. Perhaps he is trying to figure out why his DAW of choice, Sonar, doesn't get the recognition it deserves in the professional studio world. He says he has been a user for 10 years. I don't think he was being critical of Sonar. I think he's a fan.
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 20:14:44
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alewgro
the REAL reason, is that people are not comfortable with pure honesty and are not open for true debate. Especially when you are criticizing the product they use. It's kinda like politics.
People claim to be open to conversation, but then the ego rises like a phoenix from the flame.
This is an interesting point of view. I don't know if it is true or not. I know that any thread that is discussing the merits of Sonar is bound to be full of personal opinion. "Pure honesty" is a phrase I don't see often. Mostly because there is no such thing.
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 20:31:38
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Hey, even if the user DOES have gripes with Cakewalk, SO WHAT? Let's hear them! No one should be BLOCKED or posts CUT OFF because of a particular viewpoint - unless they post like 20 posts of the same thing or are on the lines of abusive.
I for one found it an interesting question and would have loved to read some answers - if Karyn (Forum Administrator) did not lock the thread.
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 20:38:19
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I find it a unanswerable question. There is no way to know who uses what. The question is by its nature provocative. I think that alone was good reason to lock the thread.
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 20:40:38
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John
I find it a unanswerable question. There is no way to know who uses what. The question is by its nature provocative. I think that alone was good reason to lock the thread.
So you are not for free thought and open ideas, even if provocative? And it is not unanswerable. There has to be some reasons that Sonar is not widely used in the industry for the most part. Wether they be valid reasons or not, that remains unknown - but even if they are not valid, why shouldn't we be able to discuss them? Seems as if the admins just need to shut down anything ANTI-Cakewalk.
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 20:51:17
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alewgro
Seems as if the admins just need to shut down anything ANTI-Cakewalk.
I quite clearly stated my reason for locking the thread. Please re-read it.
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 21:30:26
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Karyn
Was my explanation not clear enough?
Your explanation is very unclear. If you read the OP's thread on Gearslutz you'll see he's a Sonar fan asking a serious question. So was the thread locked because: 1) The standard response on this forum is to attack anyone appearing to not praise Sonar and accusing them of being troll. Were you saving the thread from that? 2) You thought the OP was dissing Cakewalk? 3) Something else?
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 21:44:09
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Karyn
alewgro
Seems as if the admins just need to shut down anything ANTI-Cakewalk.
I quite clearly stated my reason for locking the thread. Please re-read it.
Karyn, you so cute in that suit.
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 22:01:08
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John
I find it a unanswerable question. There is no way to know who uses what. The question is by its nature provocative. I think that alone was good reason to lock the thread.
So you are not for free thought and open ideas, even if provocative?
And it is not unanswerable. There has to be some reasons that Sonar is not widely used in the industry for the most part. Wether they be valid reasons or not, that remains unknown - but even if they are not valid, why shouldn't we be able to discuss them?
Seems as if the admins just need to shut down anything ANTI-Cakewalk.
I am for free thought. Thought is not the same as a post. I am defending a host for doing their job. I did not say anything on that thread or lock it. I will lock this one if this sort of questioning continues. That thread was locked and its over. Move on.
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 22:03:59
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So a thread that seemed to be pretty calm was shut down because Karyn thought it could turn bad? Maybe I can't see all the posts because I saw nothing that warranted it being shut down. Now we have a live thread that will definitely turn bad and NEED to be shut down.
Sorry Karyn, but you were way out of line.
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 22:07:16
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☄ Helpfulby alewgro 2015/04/25 22:39:12
John, you're no better. Quit throwing your weight around and threatening to lock things because you disagree with a comment. That's not a moderator/host's job, you're supposed to facilitate, not instigate.
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 22:08:07
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Let us hope it wont turn bad. I am counting on you all to be considerate. Let this pass. It is not the end of the world.
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 22:11:24
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☄ Helpfulby paulo 2015/04/26 06:39:26
John
I find it a unanswerable question. There is no way to know who uses what. The question is by its nature provocative. I think that alone was good reason to lock the thread.
At the risk of being suspended... John, shut up! You are a waist of space on this (or any) forum. Like some other "hosts," you fail to read things in context. Are you hosts stuck on key words to target or what? It's you who make these threads so frustrating. Damn! Can't even have a conversation. The CW forum hosts suck!! Yeah, I said it.
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 22:13:17
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It could be that the thread seemed very trollish
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 22:21:43
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John
I find it a unanswerable question. There is no way to know who uses what. The question is by its nature provocative. I think that alone was good reason to lock the thread.
At the risk of being suspended...
John, shut up! You are a waist of space on this (or any) forum.
Like some other "hosts," you fail to read things in context. Are you hosts stuck on key words to target or what? It's you who make these threads so frustrating. Damn! Can't even have a conversation.
The CW forum hosts suck!! Yeah, I said it.
I'm going to give this a pass. I think you are upset and not thinking clearly.
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 22:25:06
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tecknot
John, shut up! You are a waist of space on this (or any) forum.
The CW forum hosts suck!! Yeah, I said it.
I think that could be a little over the top, a bit harsh really . . . ? It's an internet forum, a thread was closed . . . ? God forbid if something serious was to happen
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 22:34:46
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John
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the REAL reason, is that people are not comfortable with pure honesty and are not open for true debate. Especially when you are criticizing the product they use. It's kinda like politics.
People claim to be open to conversation, but then the ego rises like a phoenix from the flame.
This is an interesting point of view. I don't know if it is true or not. I know that any thread that is discussing the merits of Sonar is bound to be full of personal opinion. "Pure honesty" is a phrase I don't see often. Mostly because there is no such thing.
i think this merits the title "pure honesty" “I and the public know What all schoolchildren learn, Those to whom evil is done Do evil in return.” ― W.H. Auden
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 22:37:02
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honestly, there is NEVER a reason for a post to be locked or removed, short of someone making physical threats to someone else. I believe in a fair and open internet. Now of course, any website can have its own rules, but I will disagree with them if they believe in locking down threads. that's just me though. I don't believe any discussion is a bad discussion.
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 22:47:05
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alewgro
honestly, there is NEVER a reason for a post to be locked or removed, short of someone making physical threats to someone else. I believe in a fair and open internet. Now of course, any website can have its own rules, but I will disagree with them if they believe in locking down threads. that's just me though. I don't believe any discussion is a bad discussion.
I agree short of a violation of cakewalk's posted policy; why lock a thread.
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 22:47:11
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alewgro
honestly, there is NEVER a reason for a post to be locked or removed, short of someone making physical threats to someone else. I believe in a fair and open internet. Now of course, any website can have its own rules, but I will disagree with them if they believe in locking down threads. that's just me though. I don't believe any discussion is a bad discussion.
Yes, but as in real life, if you're at someone else's house, you obey by their rules, or out you go You go to a club, they have their rules, the bouncer thinks you went beyond those rules, out you go Doesn't matter whether you agree or not, that's how it is, doesn't matter whether they were or were not in the right, at the time they obviously thought they were, out you go. I'm sure if you had someone over and they over stepped your lines, you would do the same, don't answer that, it's rhetorical, and open for an answer in which the only reason is to back up a held position, and not necessarily the truth.
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 22:47:33
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alewgro
honestly, there is NEVER a reason for a post to be locked or removed, short of someone making physical threats to someone else. I believe in a fair and open internet. Now of course, any website can have its own rules, but I will disagree with them if they believe in locking down threads. that's just me though. I don't believe any discussion is a bad discussion.
To me that is a matter for the police. Yes a thread can harm someone when people are verbally attacked. That is why CW has it as a provision in the CoC. We follow CW's rules not our own. You and all members that post are bound by those rules. Perhaps a reread of it is in order.
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 22:50:20
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AGREE! We must obey the rules of the house. If I make a forum on my own website and my rules are you must post a nude pic in your profile or your banned, while I may be wrong in your eyes - you have to respect my rules in my forum.
While I do love the CW forums here and I do post a lot, I do not agree with their policy on ending threads if they somehow are a bit damaging to the product's name or question it at all. in fact, that might look even worse, you know?
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Re: why was the thread locked and not just moved? why cakewalk sonar is not popular in awa
2015/04/25 22:52:13
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alewgro
honestly, there is NEVER a reason for a post to be locked or removed, short of someone making physical threats to someone else. I believe in a fair and open internet. Now of course, any website can have its own rules, but I will disagree with them if they believe in locking down threads. that's just me though. I don't believe any discussion is a bad discussion.
To me that is a matter for the police. Yes a thread can harm someone when people are verbally attacked. That is why CW has it as a provision in the CoC. We follow CW's rules not our own. You and all members that post are bound by those rules. Perhaps a reread of it is in order.
yes, perhaps a reread is in order and an explanation as to where the locked thread violated those rules.
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