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I do not think that would work, $49.99 only pays 1 of the 12 consecutive payments required for the license needed to take advantage of the lifetime update deal.
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bronsoncox
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Purchased one month of SPlat Professional and qualified for the Crossgrade to 1 year Platinum. Assumed the outcome would be the same, so long as it sees the right 'type' of software to upgrade.
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I'm still baffled by the fact that anyone with Producer gets the same upgrade price as I do having bought Platinum already.....
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I'm still baffled by the fact that anyone with Producer gets the same upgrade price as I do having bought Platinum already.....
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If you upgraded when Plat was 1st available, you had 18 months of benefit (including some extras that no longer are part of the package). It is also common for a single upgrade price for any previous Producer version to the latest and greatest. Those offers have been made for years.
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It is also common for a single upgrade price for any previous Producer version to the latest and greatest. Those offers have been made for years.
Yes, it has always been that you could upgrade from whatever old version for the same price. However, it has never been that that price also applied to who already is on the latest version. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, all upgrade prices are exactly the same as they used to be, except that they now all get lifetime upgrades. The single exception is those who are on their 1st year Platinum, who actually are being charged more than what the normal renewal was ($199 vs $149). I wouldn't use the word 'baffled' but this was a bit of a sore surprise for me as well, as I upgraded from Producer to Platinum last December for $109 (Black Friday discount) and now paid exactly the same lifetime price as which I would have paid if I had skipped my December upgrade. Also, the fact that I have hardly had any time for my hobby in 2016 yet and so basically wasted $109, makes it rather sore, but admittedly that's my problem/fault. Not complaining though, with jumping Lifetime at least I'm done with the yearly doubts of whether already to upgrade or not :) (usually only upgraded every 4 years or so). Baffling would however be the word if that $219 trick would work. It just illustrates that the concept of 12 month subscription = keep the product, is a pricing nightmare for Cakewalk.
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The link for the $49.99 opens to sort of a blank page for me. Seems that it should be a cakewalk store page but appears blank to me. Are you folks seeing any content there ?
Same here, and also happens with other shop.cakewalk.com links that people have been posting in other threads. Not sure what's going wrong. ramscapriAlso, the second link for the $168.99 which goes to the audiodeluxe page shows up as $199 for me. Whats the catch here ?
When you go to your shopping cart, or at checkout, you will see that they automatically apply a HOTSUMMER discount code, lowering the price with $30.01. ramscapriHonestly, I really did not understand what the deal is here.
The whole point is that it looks like a NEW user could get Sonar Platinum for life for just $219, which obviously does not look right at all. However, it all depends on whether or not the Upgrade from Platinum would actually work when you don't own Platinum yet. I would be very surprised if it did, because then you could also get Platinum cheap in the past by paying for 1 month at $49, and then doing a 1 year renewal at $149. I'm pretty sure that that would not fly either.
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ramscapri
The link for the $49.99 opens to sort of a blank page for me. Seems that it should be a cakewalk store page but appears blank to me. Are you folks seeing any content there ?
Same here, and also happens with other shop.cakewalk.com links that people have been posting in other threads. Not sure what's going wrong.
It looks like the store links generate a 'session' key ( ?id=wwgI1N8GhA) that probably expire rather than just a flat link to the product.
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eikelbijter
I'm still baffled by the fact that anyone with Producer gets the same upgrade price as I do having bought Platinum already.....
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If you upgraded when Plat was 1st available, you had 18 months of benefit (including some extras that no longer are part of the package).
It is also common for a single upgrade price for any previous Producer version to the latest and greatest. Those offers have been made for years.
Except I just paid in January! If I wouldn't have, but upgrade price would be the same. Just doesn't seem fair, does it? R
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Except I just paid in January! If I wouldn't have, but upgrade price would be the same. Just doesn't seem fair, does it?
Not clear what you're saying. If you had full Platinum (not monthly), and just paid in January, the lifetime upgrade should be $99. If you hadn't paid in January (and had Platinum from last year), the price for lifetime would be $199, so no, not the same...
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Not clear what you're saying. If you had full Platinum (not monthly), and just paid in January, the lifetime upgrade should be $99.
That's not correct, $99 is only when you paid for 1 year Platinum + renewed for the 2nd year. If you entered into Platinum from Producer in January, even immediately for the full year, the upgrade would still be $199. I'm in the same boat as eikelbijter (LOL I understand Dutch) but did the upgrade in December. Worst case you could have done the upgrade from Producer to Platinum for $199 in May, and now again have to pay $199 for Lifetime, effectively having wasted that $199 on the May upgrade from Producer. So yeah, it doesn't seem fair that now a lifetime renewal of Platinum has the same price as the upgrade from Producer. This has never been the case in the past. We are in fact the only ones who have to pay more than the yearly renewal. Before Lifetime, a 1 year membership coming from Producer was also $199, but when you were already on Platinum a renewal was $149.
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bronsoncox
Purchased one month of SPlat Professional and qualified for the Crossgrade to 1 year Platinum. Assumed the outcome would be the same, so long as it sees the right 'type' of software to upgrade.
The upgrade is for producer/platinum, not professional.
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bronsoncox
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Purchased one month of SPlat Professional and qualified for the Crossgrade to 1 year Platinum. Assumed the outcome would be the same, so long as it sees the right 'type' of software to upgrade.
The upgrade is for producer/platinum, not professional.
Correct. I was showing the pattern that the upgrade serial doesn't look at how long you've had the version you are upgrading, only that you actually have the correct version that is eligible for the upgrade in your account. If you buy an upgrade from AudioDeluxe and you have a version of Platinum (whether you bought a month or a year), the serial you apply sees that you have a valid version that is eligible for upgrade and bingo-bongo.
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Not clear what you're saying. If you had full Platinum (not monthly), and just paid in January, the lifetime upgrade should be $99.
That's not correct, $99 is only when you paid for 1 year Platinum + renewed for the 2nd year. If you entered into Platinum from Producer in January, even immediately for the full year, the upgrade would still be $199. I'm in the same boat as eikelbijter (LOL I understand Dutch) but did the upgrade in December. Worst case you could have done the upgrade from Producer to Platinum for $199 in May, and now again have to pay $199 for Lifetime, effectively having wasted that $199 on the May upgrade from Producer.
So yeah, it doesn't seem fair that now a lifetime renewal of Platinum has the same price as the upgrade from Producer. This has never been the case in the past. We are in fact the only ones who have to pay more than the yearly renewal. Before Lifetime, a 1 year membership coming from Producer was also $199, but when you were already on Platinum a renewal was $149.
Bingo! We have a winner! R
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Purchased one month of SPlat Professional and qualified for the Crossgrade to 1 year Platinum. Assumed the outcome would be the same, so long as it sees the right 'type' of software to upgrade.
The upgrade is for producer/platinum, not professional.
Correct.
I was showing the pattern that the upgrade serial doesn't look at how long you've had the version you are upgrading, only that you actually have the correct version that is eligible for the upgrade in your account. If you buy an upgrade from AudioDeluxe and you have a version of Platinum (whether you bought a month or a year), the serial you apply sees that you have a valid version that is eligible for upgrade and bingo-bongo.
I don´t think it will work, you still need a correct version to crosscrade, Professional to Platinum and not "upgrade-any-sonar-producer-or-platinum"
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bronsoncox
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I don´t think it will work, you still need a correct version to crosscrade, Professional to Platinum and not "upgrade-any-sonar-producer-or-platinum"
I've confused you. I already have Platinum. I'm not looking to upgrade. I was saying that a brand new person could possibly buy 1 month of Platinum ($50). They then have the correct version in their account needed for the Platinum lifetime upgrade ($169). If that works, a brand new, non-Sonar user could pay $219 to get Sonar with lifetime updates instead of the $500 retail.
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Clearly one month of a twelve month payment plan does not provide a full license to SONAR. The lifetime upgrade requires a full license to SONAR. Cakewalk has already explained how users on the monthly plan can purchase the upgrade.
Why are you trying to encourage someone to risk $219 in an attempt to scam Cakewalk out of a copy of SONAR?
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bronsoncox
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Clearly one month of a twelve month payment plan does not provide a full license to SONAR. The lifetime upgrade requires a full license to SONAR. Cakewalk has already explained how users on the monthly plan can purchase the upgrade.
I still have a working license of Sonar Professional that I can install and run from the CCC that I only paid for one month. Isn't that exactly what the 'membership' foundation is all about? Otherwise it becomes a subscription. No scam at all, just working within the boundaries that were already set.
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You think you have found a scheme to fleece Cakewalk out of a copy of the software. It is a scam if the the upgrade sold requires a license which is not granted until the twelfth consecutive payment is made. Moreover this is not a tried method but something you are suggesting others do with their money not yours....nice.
It might have been something to report to Cakewalk but maybe not appropriate to post here. I am not going to delete the thread just yet but will make the staff aware.
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bronsoncox
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You think you have found a scheme to fleece Cakewalk out of a copy of the software. It is a scam if the the upgrade sold requires a license which is not granted until the twelfth consecutive payment is made. Moreover this is not a tried method but something you are suggesting others do with their money not yours....nice.
It might have been something to report to Cakewalk but maybe not appropriate to post here. I am not going to delete the thread just yet but will make the staff aware.
Well, I'm still waiting on my call back from support to report it, but in the meantime, I've been told that the forums are the place to look for help. If the requirement, in writing, of the lifetime upgrades is that it requires a full year's worth of Platinum or Producer to activate, then you are 100% correct. That method wouldn't work.
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This is the first time I read you scheduled a call from support. I am curious, what slot do you have?
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This is the first time I read you scheduled a call from support. I am curious, what slot do you have?
It was sarcasm, scook.
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Tell ya what. I'm done with this thread and I'll leave you alone. When you are notifying staff, you may want to mention to them to update the Lifetime Updates FAQ to include the full 12 month Platinum requirement and make sure the store won't accept upgrade codes for only one month of a product.
Does this apply to all versions of SONAR Platinum?
Yes! Any purchase of SONAR Platinum including new versions, academic and upgrades will get free lifetime updates during the time period of June 1st - August 31st, 2016. These include purchases from the Cakewalk Shop or dealers.
Are Lifetime Updates available only for SONAR Platinum?
Yes, currently, Lifetime Updates are only available if you buy, upgrade, or crossgrade to SONAR Platinum. Be sure that when you’re adding SONAR Platinum to your cart, you choose the product called “SONAR Platinum (with Lifetime Updates).”
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You are a funny man with other peoples money.
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Re: $219
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☄ Helpfulby bronsoncox 2016/06/09 11:43:12
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I still have a working license of Sonar Professional that I can install and run from the CCC that I only paid for one month. Isn't that exactly what the 'membership' foundation is all about?
Otherwise it becomes a subscription.
Actually, no. Paying monthly is a payment plan, where after paying for 12 months you own the license permanently. It is not a subscription as the word is defined with respect to computer software, where your license is renewed (or rented, if you prefer) every month upon receipt of your payment, and you never own the software permanently.
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bronsoncox
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bronsoncox
I still have a working license of Sonar Professional that I can install and run from the CCC that I only paid for one month. Isn't that exactly what the 'membership' foundation is all about?
Otherwise it becomes a subscription.
Actually, no. Paying monthly is a payment plan, where after paying for 12 months you own the license permanently. It is not a subscription as the word is defined with respect to computer software, where your license is renewed (or rented, if you prefer) every month upon receipt of your payment, and you never own the software permanently.
Thank you for the clarification on that. In the case above, would one be starting the payment plan for a month and then effectively renewing or "renting" the license in perpetuity after purchasing the Lifetime Updates?
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The Lifetime updates option is part of the one-time payment plan only. Although it would happen if one continued to pay for the software using the monthly payment plan.
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Hate to be the bad guy here, but... 1) This idea won't work -- for a couple of reasons, and... 2) I just want to note that we have the ability to monitor for these sort of behaviors, and reserve the right to refund and revoke the SONAR Platinum licenses of those who do successfully attempt anything of this nature. We haven't had to do anything like this yet, but just be aware that we can. Sorry guys. I should also point out that technically the original post here violates the Code of Conduct since it's an advertisement for another site. Please review the Code of Conduct if you're ever in doubt about a post.
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Re: $219
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☄ Helpfulby Joey Adams [Cakewalk] 2016/06/09 15:31:21
bronsoncox
Thank you for the clarification on that. In the case above, would one be starting the payment plan for a month and then effectively renewing or "renting" the license in perpetuity after purchasing the Lifetime Updates?
No, because you wouldn't own the program after paying for only a month. You'd be 1/12th of your way through a payment plan that leads to ownership and a permanent license at the end of the 12 months.
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