2500+ Waveforms at the [Cakewalk] Store

First, the disclaimer: I'm not employed by [Cakewalk] or Galbanum. I bought the license to this wavetable set. For myself, there's no money to be made from it. That is, unless you consider the work that it's saved me with constructing my own similar wavetables in an audio editor. At little more than a penny a piece, yeah ... I 'made money' on that deal.
Are they that good? Yes, but don't take my word for it. Check out the detailed material on the Resources page. If you really want to know what I personally think about this set, read my review here. And I don't write reviews.

This should be obvious, but this set will work in any flavor of Dimension, Rapture, z3ta+, or anything else that supports the .wav format. I can't speak directly for Mac users, but there's clear indications of compatibilty there as well.

Thanks for the heads-up, b rock, I'm going to purchase this tonight! So, how much do I owe you for this?

Are these 44.1/16 or something else?

THANKS for this! I hadn't seen it yet. Whoa, for the price and, just now perusing the library, the quality this is a must buy for tweakers. Maybe for non-tweakers, too.

Mike

44.1/24, if I recall correctly. For me, they shine when interpolated by the Expression Engine(s). I mean, they're oscillators, really. Or LFOs, or StepGen templates, or 'drawbars', or ...

They started out in MetaSynth, jumped to Absynth, part of that went into Massive, they doubled in number for Universal Waveforms, and the CE collection gained 700 more unique ones. If these details aren't exactly accurate, don't shoot the messenger.

So, how much do I owe you for this?

One tongue-lashing if you think that I steered you wrong for the price.

Thanks, B. This looks ... insane ... honestly. So, of course, it's fascinating, and I'm probably going to get it.

Thanks for the heads-up!

Tom, I may have mentioned something similar to this set in our conversations once. Say, if you happen to talk to Jim, ...

a must buy for tweakers. Maybe for non-tweakers, too.

Mike, if you 'got it' that quickly from looking at the docs, I'd say that you're definitely the tweaker-type.

I was talking about this to someone today who's much closer to the non-tweaker category. He said, "Now how would *I* use this, without getting as deep into it as you do?" My response to him was to take existing presets, and just start swapping out the Multisamples with those in the CE set.

He must've 'gotten it' at that point. I haven't heard a word from him since.

Yes -- I've alerted Jim.

Mike, if you 'got it' that quickly from looking at the docs, I'd say that you're definitely the tweaker-type.

Well, yeah, I guess I'm a tweaker I bought the library and already have 4 nice pads out of it. Gotta work up some lead sounds.

It's not that I don't like the patches that come with Rapture/Dim Pro/z3ta but there just not *mine* if you know what I mean...

Mike

Also, that's good advice for non-tweakers, and it's the fastest way to get them hooked!

Mike

I download the library and will try it when I get home. Do you need a serial number for this product. After I downloaded the item it say to click a link for your serial number.
When I do it takes me to my registration page but there is no serial number or no listing for Galbanum Architecture Waveforms Cakewalk Edition.
Did you guys need any serial number?

Thanks
Ed

Did you guys need any serial number?

I happened to stumble upon this set early on, and it was a simple .zip file extraction. Now I see from the store that there are installers involved, so I'm not certain what might have changed with the installation requirements. I'm sure that someone else will chime in here, and relate their own experiences with it.

At the Download page, there is a message below the "Download" button reading:

"Once you complete the download of your product(s) you can receive your serial number by clicking here.
The product(s) serial number is required to use your product."

EDIT: I installed both the Architecture Waveforms and CE Bonus packs and it never asked for a serial number, yet everything seems to be working fine in both Rapture and DimPro. I also went through the registration process just for kicks, but no serial number was generated, so I assume that it does not actually need one.

Hi,

I can't see these in the European store. Us brits missing out on the joy?

Cheers

RIch

Us brits missing out on the joy?

Don't tell me that. You guys get the shaft enough.
Try the direct route, Rich. Galbanum's Architecture CE Link.

Thanks b-rock, after adding my post I had a think and did exactly that, it works fine, well I will confirm tonight when I get home tonight and hopefully receieve my order email.

Thanks

Rich

Meh, what am I doing wrong here: downloaded the installer, it unpacks to my DimPro Multisamples dir in 2 secs flat - can't find a thing. Run it again, unpack to new dir - empty.

Erm? What's the deal?

[edit - forget it already, I just unpacked it manually - one superdorky install, this.]

Ok you talked me into it, I went for it.

How did you unpack it manually. I'm having the same problem.


Ed

Yeah...7-Zip wouldn't unpack it. I had to use the native Windows XP unzip utility on my laptop (where I have yet to install 7-Zip). ...weird.

However, I like the fact that this entire waveform library only takes up 22.5MB UNPACKED. That means it fits comfortably on my laptop system drive with the rest of my Rapture samples; and it's a fast install. This is my kind of "sample library".

Thanks to b rock for the heads up.

Hi,

How long did it take for you guys to get your download link? Stuart have you recieved yours yet?

Cheers

Rich

Poke around the zip file because there are an extra 500 waveforms available on the Galbanum web site for the CE edition.

I've fooled around with this set a little bit last night (OK, *and* this morning ); there's some *really* good stuff here, both for osc purposes and LFO purposes. So far I've only used Rapture, but I shall next venture into z3ta+ with it, then maybe Dim Pro.

Here's a tip: for a poor man's morph put a waveform into two elements then use and LFO to modulate the amplitide of each (out of phase). Cool! Use 4 or 6 elements and different LFO shapes and speeds and you get complex thingies.

Mike

Yup...got the extra 500. It requires you to register with Galbanum -- not a big deal.

ORIGINAL: cb8rwh

Hi,

How long did it take for you guys to get your download link? Stuart have you recieved yours yet?

Cheers

Rich

When I ordered last night, I was given a link on-screen that immediately took me to a download area...I also received this link in an email at the same time.

Did you pay by credit card or Paypal? I used paypal.

Cheers

Rich

Credit card...that may be why you are waiting, as some companies will verify Paypal transactions before you get the download links. I only ever use Paypal as a last resort, partially for this reason...

Ah,I thought that Paypal might be the hold-up. Thanks for advising.

Rich

Here's a tip: for a poor man's morph put a waveform into two elements then use and LFO to modulate the amplitide of each (out of phase). Cool! Use 4 or 6 elements and different LFO shapes and speeds and you get complex thingies.

I've got one more 'quickie' for you:

Load one of the .wavs from the Formant - Sine.
Set up an Amp Step Gen to Step mode, with a 6 Step count total.
Copy the StepGen to the other six Elements (Amp Modulator).
As you do, load up another Formant - Sine .wav, add a little Smooth, and raise the step to match the Element number.
(IOW: Step 1 gets raised to maximum in E1, Step 2-6 to minimum. In E2, Step 2 to max; Step 1 and 3-6 minimum, ...)

Instant 'vocalizations'. If you have trouble with the sequencing, Save As .prog, and relaunch Rapture.
That resets the internal Step mode counter.

there are an extra 500 waveforms available on the Galbanum web site for the CE edition.

I think that's available to [Cakestore] purchases. They *were* to be included with purchases at Galbanum's site, but I may have been 'too-early' of an adopter.

Anyone have a rough idea of the Bonus CE folder names? Maybe I already have these; maybe not.

Documentation, Additive Sine, BandLimited, Iterations, Phase Shift, Serries and Smoothed. - a small return favour, thx, will take ages for me to get my head around this but I thought - if I'm EVER going to go deep into Dim Pro, this is as good a reason as any

ORIGINAL: cb8rwh

Hi,

How long did it take for you guys to get your download link? Stuart have you recieved yours yet?

Cheers

Rich

Paid by credit card and got the download link on the next page. Comfortably sitting in my 4 multisample folders (Dim Pro and Rapture on Win XP and Vista, I really will need to follow my own tip and have them point to the same one, but HD space isnt at a premium on my computer yet)

Additive Sine, BandLimited, Iterations, Phase Shift, Serries and Smoothed.

That was fast, and much appreciated. It's verified. I've got them in place already.

if I'm EVER going to go deep into Dim Pro, this is as good a reason as any

It's a relatively painless way in. Check out the Dimension Pro or Rapture pages on the P5 Wiki for some pointers. Or just post your questions/experimentations to the Instruments forum here. It's been starving for programming discussion/tips here lately.

Hey b! I hope you've recovered from all of that technology insanity. I take the fact that you're looking for "programming discussion/tips", as a GOOD sign.

These waveforms were great for Absynth, and I'm liking them for both Rapture and Dimension Pro. Thanks for pointing them out - I hadn't noticed them until I saw this thread.

Can somebody enlighten me as to the exact folders these multisamples are supposed to create. I have paid, downloaded, unzipped and then installed. I don't appear to have any extra samples in any folder and certainly not 2500 of them.
It also looked like my so called unzip, unzipped nothing like the amount I was expecting.


I'm kinda puzzled about what has happened. I don't know if my download was just corrupt and I can not seem to find where to redownload?

Thanks for any feedback.

EDIT: I had a corrupt download. All sorted now


Dunc

Can somebody enlighten me as to the exact folders these multisamples are supposed to create.

Here's my structure in Rapture.

That's a very nice waveform in your Tunings folder there, b rock.

That's a very nice waveform in your Tunings folder there, b rock.

That's where I put my Fine Tunings, Cryo.

I take the fact that you're looking for "programming discussion/tips", as a GOOD sign.

Two cups of stubborn, a dash of determination, and more than a touch of unexpected goodwill, Mike. I lost all of the 'works in progress', but after weeks of digital meters, soldering irons, acoustic guitar, and Microtrack recharge times, I'm ready to rock.

Even the creator of Architecture CE (Andrew Souter) helped out here. I might've been able to restore the waveform package from a partial backup, but I was more than a little concerned with corrupted data.

Thanks for the folder structure B rock. Corruption of the download caused my downfall for seeing this, anyway, all fixed now...

P.S. Does your missus know you have put up a picture of her as a tunings folder

Sorry for the kind of basic question(s) but:
1) I have Dimension from P5...not Dimension Pro....I gather the waves work in that as well (from the comment, any flavor of Dimension, but I just wanted to check)
2) I have Z3ta+...., I think you can use the waves in that, but...how hard is it to add your own waves to Z3....I vaguely remember trying a long time ago (or maybe it was Pentagon??--at my age...memory must be going....what was I saying?? ) to create and use a couple of waves and it wasn't easy. So, if you wanted to scroll through the waves to hear what was there, would it be easy or hard in Z3?

Sorry if these are basic questions...... but this sounds like a good way for a modest tweaker like me to create some of my own stuff.

TIA

Hey there rjt -

You can have up to 6 user waves per program bank. You must name the waves user1, user2, ... , user6 and put them in the same folder as the bank. It's much more cumbersome than Rapture but the functionality is there. The waves do work in the DIm synth from P5.

And you are right: this is a great way to create your own sounds!

Good luck,

Mike

1) I have Dimension from P5

I haven't used that since DimPro came out, but when I was, I did work a lot with wavetables. It's set up the exact same way as DimPro LE, DimPro, or Rapture.

2) I have Z3ta+...., I think you can use the waves in that, but...how hard is it to add your own waves to Z3....

It's not difficult since v.1.4. First, select the User (x) slot that you'd like to replace with another .wav file. Click on Programs, and select Load User Wavetable (.wav). Rene suggests to keep open the Shaper window so you can see what's happening. In 1.5 onward, you can manipulate the Shaper, right-click and Save As Wavetable ..., and bring it right back in again as a User file.

So, if you wanted to scroll through the waves to hear what was there, would it be easy or hard in Z3?

There's no real way to audition the wavetables without them being loaded. So, that's a one-at-at-time audition; in context.

There's one more caveat that I should mention as well. For some reason, z3ta+ doesn't seem to like the Architecture CE 24-bit depth. I never really pursued why that was before I batch-converted this set into 16-bit for exclusive z3ta+ use. Maybe 16-bit is just what's supported. From the 1.4 Release Notes:

The wave files must be mono, up to 64k samples, in any sample rate.

I didn't know you could load waves that way! Cool. Is that documented anywhere? I guess I'll look into the 1.5 readme...

And z3ta+ will not load the Arch files as is, just as b_rock noted. It does load 16 bit waves so you'll have to convert to use in z3ta+.

Still and all, to my view, Rapture makes it a *ton* easier!

Mike

OK, looking at the release notes for 1.1 - 1.4 there is a mention of a "Wavetable Set Creation" utility. Intriguing, but I can't find it anywhere. Any clues?

Wow, thanks for the great info. The sets are now becoming much more intriguing.

Okay...one more question. I have Absynth 4. Is there a way I could buy just one set of waves and still use them for all three (Absynth, Z3 and Dim?) I understand I will have to convert to 16 bit for Z3. Okay, next question.... which set would be the best to use for all 3 synths?

Thanks again (b rock-- you should be getting a fee from the company for this.... or at least free waves or something!!)

Take care

From my reading of the website, I would go with the CE version - it has 2,500 waves! If Absynth requires 16 bit waves, well you already have to do that for z3ta+. At $29.95 this is a great deal.

Mike

ORIGINAL: b rock
Two cups of stubborn, a dash of determination, and more than a touch of unexpected goodwill, Mike. I lost all of the 'works in progress', but after weeks of digital meters, soldering irons, acoustic guitar, and Microtrack recharge times, I'm ready to rock.

Even the creator of Architecture CE (Andrew Souter) helped out here. I might've been able to restore the waveform package from a partial backup, but I was more than a little concerned with corrupted data.

Hey b! ...very good news indeed. It's great to see you back in the cockpit.

I'm not so sure about that picture in your "Tunings Folder" though......

Is there a way I could buy just one set of waves and still use them for all three (Absynth, Z3 and Dim?) I understand I will have to convert to 16 bit for Z3.

PM me if you would, Ray. I think that I have an idea for you that'll work across both [Cakewalk] synths and cover Absynth's native GLY format, too.

I picked that up a few days ago when I heard about it on this forum. Thanks for the heads-up! I guess I'll be spending some time playing with DimPro.... oh well...

Hey, has anyone come across any dimpro presets using this library?

Hey, has anyone come across any dimpro presets using this library?

I mentioned this to Mr. Souter when I first discovered this set. Understandably, he was cautious about any unauthorized re-distribution of his hard work. I did reply that was not my intention, and unethical practice. But ...

That doesn't prevent anyone from developing presets on some synths, based on this wavetable set. A Program file in DimPro or Rapture, for example, is going to look for its component parts first in the Multisample folder, then in the Sample Pool folder. If it doesn't find them there, only then will it spit out an error [Multisample Not Found]. If we assume the default Architecture CE folder structure, there's nothing keeping anyone from creating some .prog files to match.

The Programs contain references to the Multisample locations, but not the Multisamples themselves. So that fulfills the licensing requirements regarding re-distribution. If you don't have the Architecture CE set, the .progs themselves will do you little good. I suppose that it'd be equally appropriate to post preset file links here at Instruments, or at Galbanum's own forum. (I joined there, but it seems to be down at the moment.)

Mike, if you 'got it' that quickly from looking at the docs, I'd say that you're definitely the tweaker-type.

I was talking about this to someone today who's much closer to the non-tweaker category. He said, "Now how would *I* use this, without getting as deep into it as you do?" My response to him was to take existing presets, and just start swapping out the Multisamples with those in the CE set.

He must've 'gotten it' at that point. I haven't heard a word from him since.

What would be nice to have is a set of banks that are connected to the Wave files with a given name so that part is already done. It will take quite a bit of time to set those up for the 2500 banks for Dimension Pro, Z3Ta+ and Rapture. If one were to set up just one simple bank with a simple name Like Sine1, Sine2, Sine3, Sine4, Pulse1, Pulse2 on to 2500 banks. Well for DimPro, Rapture and Z3Ta+ thats 7500 bank list for the 2500 sounds.

That is an very intensive task for one person, perhaps we could all take a section and put together a comprehensive bank listing for the three major Cakewalk synths on the Project 5 web site. Think about it, it would make Cakewal heads above the competition.

Well at any rate Tom thanks for the link to this. I myself am going to go for this. It is a very reasonable price considering all the work they did on the sound side.

Whats good about this is you dont have to be into the coding to be able to use this. All you have to know how to do is copy an existing bank, rename it, bring in a wave and save it. Simple...

We've yapped on and off over the last few years around here about putting together a good user-based patch site for .sfz files.

René even was working on something with Tom for hosting some such content up at the RGC:Audio website. Whatever happened to that? Or am I thinking of something else?

I am realizing now after downloading the samples that they really are enhancements that can be applied to existing banks. I think they open up opportunities I never even fathomed were possible. Hence we enter into the mental space of Tom if it be only a small part of it.
You can open up any existing sound bank and start applying these sounds to them.
You can go to another element and choose yet another bank.
The overall effects they have are surprising.
It helps to know what the basic sounds are such as sine, pulse, sawtooth, There are many though I have never heard of to in these selected choices.
It will take a bit of experiementation to see how and what can be done.

We've yapped on and off over the last few years around here about putting together a good user-based patch site for .sfz files.

I would love to contribute to that. Would the p5 wiki be able to host it?

I am realizing now after downloading the samples that they really are enhancements that can be applied to existing banks. I think they open up opportunities I never even fathomed were possible

I've heard a lot about how great these waveforms are, but my sonic imagination is limited. Would anyone mind thowing up a before/after demonstration on existing banks to show what is possible? I have DimPro and love to find new ways to augment it, but in this case I'm scratching my head as to how these will help.

ORIGINAL: tanuki_x

We've yapped on and off over the last few years around here about putting together a good user-based patch site for .sfz files.

I would love to contribute to that. Would the p5 wiki be able to host it?

I think the P5 Wiki would handle it fine if we're only talkin' about .SFZ and .PROG files. These contain nothing more than information about how to program the synths, they don't contain actual multisamples.

Multisample files tend to be large files and have lengthy record times of instruments for sampler (Dim Pro) style playback softsynths.

Wavetables might be acceptable as they are generally small sample sets intended to be used as single-cycle oscillator guides in Rapture and Dimension Pro.

All submitted .prog and .sfz files would have to be compressed into .zip files before uploading to the wiki. Each submitter would also need to create an accompanying page within the wiki to point to the downloadable .zip file and explain some basic information about its content and how to install it as well as any dependencies it might have (like these 2500+ wavetables mentioned in this forum topic)--obviously we couldn't host commercially available wavetables on the wiki for free download to others so it would be important to list the dependencies so people would know what to expect.

René even was working on something with Tom for hosting some such content up at the RGC:Audio website.

Sad story: Use it or lose it. Two total contributers besides myself, and later on the domain and site resources were no longer available. Here's the background story (Rapture Prog Central) and the next chapter ([Download] 64 Program Rapture Set). I wasn't able to save the two other sets, but I mirrored my own set for that adventure here: (B Rock Collection RP-1).

For some other resources (the links in these threads are current):
110 More Presets for Rapture 1.1
[Download] Friday The 13th Rapture Programs
VOSIM Synthesis - Rapture and Dimension
Project5.com Dimension/Rapture Content

{In this last link, you'll have to hunt around, as there is no category for Dimension or Rapture. Usually, they're labeled as "PSYN" presets. Be sure to check out the contributions from forum member lawapa.}

Would anyone mind thowing up a before/after demonstration on existing banks to show what is possible? I have DimPro and love to find new ways to augment it, but in this case I'm scratching my head as to how these will help.

I wouldn't feel good about taking someone else's preset work, substituting the Multisamples, and then uploading it. Even if that was free, it's still re-distributing someone else's content. My own? That's fine, but in terms of 'existing content', I only have presets that ship with Rapture.

I don't see where an image demonstration would hurt, though. It's for the exclusive use of the end user, and it bypasses the distribution agreements. I'll put it in the next post, because it'll have to be fairly 'tall'. That way, I can cover three synths and three of the methods in one spot. (z3ta+ will have to be later on.)

Wow b! 7000 posts!!!!!!

a before/after demonstration on existing banks to show what is possible

[Top Image:]
In Dimension LE below, I started with a blank (initialized) Program, and clicked on the Load Multisample slot in each of the four Elements [E1-E4].
Under the Architecture Waveforms CE folder, I went to the Additive - NonSine subfolder, and chose a different waveform in each.
A simple program was generated that resembled pulling drawbars on some spacey Hammond organ.

[Middle Image:]
In Dimension Pro, I loaded the perennial preset favorite Alien Piano 1.prog from 01 -Dimensions. Again, click on E1 & E2's Multisample slot.
Here, I went to the Arch CE 'Smoothed' subfolder, and swapped out strings and piano for some additive saw wavetables.
The results? Something more aggressive: Alien Piano with a real attitude.

[Bottom Image:]
In Rapture 1.1, I loaded the TB Leslie Kneelson preset in 00 - Absolute. The first four Elements are occupied.
For this, I navigated to the Formants - Sine subfolder for some vocal-like textures; different for each Element.

On E1's Pitch StepGen, I turned it On, and dragged out 128 Steps. Right-click to bring up 'Extract Shape From Sample File'.
Then I scrolled down to Misc - Random Step, and selected Random 32 Step 08Grit.wav. Nasty little four octave glitching.
The original preset now contains contrasting organic and robotic sounds, still swept by a 'Leslie'.

Wow b! 7000 posts!!!!!!

I never pay attention to that; I just noticed. Breaktime.

Is there a way I could buy just one set of waves and still use them for all three (Absynth, Z3 and Dim?)

Ray, I got your PM today. I hope the vacation was enjoyable. However, I, um ... am unable to reply using the PM route. As far as answering your question, I'll give you two links instead. First, go here to Remix magazine's site, and read the last line of the Architecture ABS Waveforms 2 review. Next, go to Galbanum's shop here, and read the sidebar entitled Upgrades and Discounts.

Got it...thanks. Ordered one today....will order the other tomorrow.