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2011/04/15 11:09:59 (permalink)

44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using?

I always assumed 44000 Hz was the world standard, so I set my Sonar X1b to this rate... then realized Windows 7 has it set to 48000 by default.

As a result, when I play something in WMP while Sonar X1b is open, it comes out lower in pitch. This is the result of the 44k vs 48k conflict.

Should I bring Windows 7 down to 44k or bring Sonar X1b up to 48k?

Are most of you working at the 48000 Hz rate?
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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/15 11:13:14 (permalink)
    nope i work at 44.1 all the time,i usaully do mixing in 44.1 24 it and then eventualy dither down to 16 bit..im sure youll find most users actually se 44 more than you would think.

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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/15 11:18:07 (permalink)

    Hello: im 24bit 44.1 here .. yes you can use higher rates but in the end it has to be 44.1 so im sticking there. a leveling amp used
    on recording of tracks makes them stand out and loads the track.

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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/15 11:21:02 (permalink)
    48k is a common standard with digital video.


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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/15 11:24:39 (permalink)
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    I always assumed 44000 Hz was the world standard, so I set my Sonar X1b to this rate... then realized Windows 7 has it set to 48000 by default.
    I don't think it is Win 7. It might be the default of your soundcard or maybe your soundcard has a control panel where you can set this?
    As a result, when I play something in WMP while Sonar X1b is open, it comes out lower in pitch. This is the result of the 44k vs 48k conflict.
    This sounds very much like a driver issue. I can have a DAW open (but not playing), if I then play something of a different sample rate in Winamp (or whatever), the sound card just switches.
    Should I bring Windows 7 down to 44k or bring Sonar X1b up to 48k?

    Are most of you working at the 48000 Hz rate?
    44.1Khz for everything except stuff that is for video/film. That is done at 48Khz. (The Film/TV/Video industry uses 48Khz as a standard).

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    post edited by UnderTow - 2011/04/15 11:50:21
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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/15 11:46:58 (permalink)
    I will recommend 48K and 24 bit rate. DVD media is 48K vs 44K for CD's. Apple and HP is pushing to sell premium music at above CD standard rate. The plan is not to kill CD and MP3 levels, but to sell at a higher price, as defined by Dr Dre, "studio quality music".
     
    Record music at the same level of the sample libraries you are using. This is very necessary if you are scoring chamber music and the like from such original libraries. It's like wearing a tuxedo to a hip-hop or rock concert.
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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/15 11:48:39 (permalink)
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    I don't think it is Win 7.

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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/15 11:49:19 (permalink)
    I've been using 24bit 44.1KHz for audio, but recently switched to 24bit 96KHz as I want to experiment with some of the high end digital audio afforded by various blu-ray and HD-audio DVD formats.

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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/15 12:12:14 (permalink)
    24/48 here. 
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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/15 12:12:36 (permalink)
    I'm at 48k and 24-bit. 

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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/15 12:21:34 (permalink)
    Echo really doesn't make it easy, but I've made sure to dumb down my Windows to 44.1 / 24b / Stereo (from 48 / 24b / Surround).

    Thanks, guys.
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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/15 12:23:25 (permalink)
    jyeager11

    Are most of you working at the 48000 Hz rate?

    Record at 48k @ 24 bit, mix down to 44.1k @ 16 bit using dither and noise shaping between the two.

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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/15 12:51:15 (permalink)
    48k/24bit:-)

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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/15 13:42:25 (permalink)
    24bit/48k then master to 16/44.1 for CD.

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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/15 13:43:26 (permalink)
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    I always assumed 44000 Hz was the world standard, so I set my Sonar X1b to this rate... then realized Windows 7 has it set to 48000 by default.

    As a result, when I play something in WMP while Sonar X1b is open, it comes out lower in pitch. This is the result of the 44k vs 48k conflict.

    Should I bring Windows 7 down to 44k or bring Sonar X1b up to 48k?

    Are most of you working at the 48000 Hz rate?

    Sounds like a conflict of sharing drivers between programs. There are several ways to avoid these conflicts. But I've always found the easiest way is to configure windows to use the onboard sound chip of the mother board and configure Sonar to use ASIO with my Edirol or Fireface. What are your soundcards and how do you have them configured?


    I definetly wouldn't change my recording preferences in Sonar to please Windows. Windows is most likely going to need to change sample rate depending on what sound is playing.
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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/16 08:57:26 (permalink)
    44kHz or 48kHz??? Pfft... Use 2.8224MHz :p
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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/16 09:26:26 (permalink)
    48/24
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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/16 09:44:13 (permalink)
    44.1/24 for me.  It works.



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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/16 10:16:56 (permalink)
    44/24 though it should be driven by your target format, though i have messed about in 88.2 as i'd read that some plugs (especially compressors?) react better at the faster rate
    post edited by pwal - 2011/04/16 10:18:43

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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/16 11:23:17 (permalink)
    48/24 here.

    I'm only surprised that someone hasn't claimed they can hear the difference yet.
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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/16 11:30:23 (permalink)
    I use 24 bit 44.1 khz all the time.
     
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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/16 11:40:12 (permalink)
    you guys that do use 44/24..do you need to dither down or does x1 take care of this for you..just wondering becuase im thinking of moving up to 24?

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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/16 11:48:56 (permalink)
    24 - 44.1 here!
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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/16 11:49:45 (permalink)
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    Sounds like a conflict of sharing drivers between programs. There are several ways to avoid these conflicts. But I've always found the easiest way is to configure windows to use the onboard sound chip of the mother board and configure Sonar to use ASIO with my Edirol or Fireface.
    This was Plan B. I was trying to avoid it simply because I'm trying to minimize the number of cables leaving my computer (and going into the mixer).

    Another reason to avoid it was that I am often comparing my projects with popular songs, sonically, for mixing purposes. So if I've got, say, Adobe Audition or WMP playing something, I like to be able to switch back and forth between that and Sonar X1b. Just to compare lows, mids, highs, etc. and it would seem to me that if one of those two was using a different "soundcard" I'd be comparing apples and oranges instead of apples and apples (ie, both using same card).

    But definitely Plan B if I can't get this resolved. I just don't know why I can't get Sonar X1b and WMP to play at the same time on the same card if "Share with other applications" is checked.
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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/16 12:00:07 (permalink)
    does any one use 64bit floats (wavs) when they are mixing, obviously setting sonar to record at that bit depth. i can imagine not many due to the fact once the audio has been throught the coverters its zero and ones sonar is ****ing with, even from a softsytnth point, i bounce to audio to mix from softsynths, and sometimes am tempted to use 64 bit float wavs, but a lot of softsynths or most are 32 bit float, can any one see what am saying ??
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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/16 12:07:18 (permalink)
    48kHz, 64bit all the way except Wave-files 32bit floating....


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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/16 12:09:52 (permalink)
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    48/24 here.

    I'm only surprised that someone hasn't claimed they can hear the difference yet.


    I said that...until I knew better! LOL EQ and filter sounds better in higher sample format like 48... 96though..


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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/16 12:10:10 (permalink)
    Hello : remember that your are listening to final masterd CD.. I
    often use a known good CD when mixing. then do the mastering to
    get the final sound im looking for..Now why isnt everything using
    ASIO...
    
                    
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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/16 12:15:42 (permalink)
         WAR!!! kHz WAR!!! and bit WAR!!!   ....awesome...just hold on... I'm just getting some popcorn...


    post edited by Freddie H - 2011/04/16 12:16:53


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    Re:44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? 2011/04/16 12:17:05 (permalink)
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    Sounds like a conflict of sharing drivers between programs. There are several ways to avoid these conflicts. But I've always found the easiest way is to configure windows to use the onboard sound chip of the mother board and configure Sonar to use ASIO with my Edirol or Fireface.
    This was Plan B. I was trying to avoid it simply because I'm trying to minimize the number of cables leaving my computer (and going into the mixer).

    Another reason to avoid it was that I am often comparing my projects with popular songs, sonically, for mixing purposes. So if I've got, say, Adobe Audition or WMP playing something, I like to be able to switch back and forth between that and Sonar X1b. Just to compare lows, mids, highs, etc. and it would seem to me that if one of those two was using a different "soundcard" I'd be comparing apples and oranges instead of apples and apples (ie, both using same card).

    But definitely Plan B if I can't get this resolved. I just don't know why I can't get Sonar X1b and WMP to play at the same time on the same card if "Share with other applications" is checked.


    When using the Share Drivers setting what happens is that the program that has Windows' focus gets the driver so you can never hear 2 programs playing at the same time. It sounds counter intuitive but you need to uncheck that setting. 

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