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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 12:57:31
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Yah, "60s" is such a wide descriptor we're all correct. But he did say "psychedelic rock". That, to me, means Iron Butterfly, early Floyd, and that type of business.
I'd echo the comments about strong compression and lots of bleed. Then I'd reach for any delay plugin that emulates the Roland Space Echo. While used more in the 70s, it's instant psychedelia.
Ditto also on the EQ tips. Music back then had surprisingly little bass, and they LOVED their Hammonds. to that end, try leslie type effects on EVERYTHING. there's nothing better than a rotating speaker to send your mind to outer space.
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 13:00:37
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Great lesser known recordings of the 60s (not including the Beatles, Who, Stones, JA)
Pictures of Matchstick Men - Status Quo
I had too much to dream last night - Electric Prunes
Friday on my Mind - Easy Beats
Lies (Excellent song) - The Knickerbockers
Pleasent Valley Sunday (Monkees - yep)
Open My Eyes (The Nazz - Rundgren's band)
Over Under Sideways Down (Yardbirds)
Hurdy Gurdy Man (Donovan)
Mr Skin (Spitit - technically 1970)
See Emily Play/Lucifer Sam (Pink Floyd)
Dear Mr Fantasy (Traffic)
Wow there is so much great material to work with.
Another fascinating era is about 1972 about a year or two before and after the release of PF's DSOTM. I have a massive collection of the B-grade prog rock bands from that era too. Some truly odd stuff.
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 13:05:17
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Pink Floyd is 70s not 60s. BTW they cared about the recording quality. OTOH, the 60s actually happened in the 70s anyway.
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 13:06:55
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Anyway, I guess step #1 is spend $30K on an original Fairchild, and another couple hundred K on vintage mics, pres, and compressors, then as mentioned before, make sure to provide the approproiate party favors to the musicians. Have some body painted go-go dancers around for effect. Yeh, baby.
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 13:07:43
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well technically they sort of spilled.
Yeah there were numerous problems there - nam, equal rights, nixon, very slow internet, nuclear annihilation but the era was cooler in a ton of ways than today. And much of the music was better too.
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 13:10:04
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ORIGINAL: droddey
Anyway, I guess step #1 is spend $30K on an original Fairchild, and another couple hundred K on vintage mics, pres, and compressors, then as mentioned before, make sure to provide the approproiate party favors to the musicians. Have some body painted go-go dancers around for effect. Yeh, baby.
You left out the day-glo posters, incense and of course strobe lights. Now you're good to <go>.
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 13:25:24
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post edited by ericyeoman - 2009/01/25 20:22:36
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 13:25:53
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I have my love beads and rose colored glasses on now baby. I need to get me some earth shoes and bell bottoms.
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 13:29:48
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ORIGINAL: space_cowboy
I have my love beads and rose colored glasses on now baby. I need to get me some earth shoes and bell bottoms.
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 13:40:33
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Geeze... if Syd Barrett's Pink Floyd was not a 60's psychedelic band that made 60's psychedelic records... who was?
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 13:46:27
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ORIGINAL: Marah Mag
Geeze... if Syd Barrett's Pink Floyd was not a 60's psychedelic band that made 60's psychedelic records... who was?
Frank Zappa & The Mothers of Invention?
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 14:10:41
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Don, That is a genius idea! As for the "tape" sound from another poster - that's why I suggested recording via Tube Pre-Amps and a Tube Compressor (although a Distressor will work great). To the poster (AT) with the Komit - DUDE - that is sweet, do you have a 500 Series Lunch Box then? ORIGINAL: DonM
Here's one of my 'secrets'.
I agree with all that is said above - but I would only add - track to tape, and if the band doesn't understand the vibe, there's no plugin, outboard gear, or mic that can make it happen - are you engineer or producer? If you're producer, make sure you know how to get them to track in the fashion you hear - you'll be able to make stuff happen in post - but there are no miracles when moving tracks across decades if the players didn't get it when they performed the stuff.
Now to my little secret.... I am a fan of having my tracks sound like the band is playing live looking right at each other in the same room during tracking - logistics, sonics and schedules don't always make this possible - but I go after this in both performance and sound in spades. One of the things that I do to create that 'old 60's sound is I create a buss called 'room bleed' I put a Sonitus or equivalent reverb with a moderately short ER and EQ the thing to sound exactly like the instruments would sound if there were mic bleed in the room - I then mix that to my two buss and darn if sometimes I swear they were all in the same room during tracking - In some cases it's been so real the players couldn't remember if they tracked together or not... fun stuff.
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 14:23:20
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ORIGINAL: John
Advice to OP: Maybe try recording basic tracks live to 4 Track tape (i.e. Porta Studio). All my 80's recordings on a Porta Studio sounded vey '60s to me.
My Porta One is available for rent. 
+2 Mine too Actually if it has harmonies and simple chord progressions/melodies, my wife says 50% of my stuff sounds 60/70s. My 60-70's band has that sound; It's room sound, closeup micing, and leakage
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 14:25:42
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Hey if you want a tape sound, get a reel to reel. They are dirt cheap nowdays - way less than a plug in. Find one where you can monitor what you record (used to be about a second delay between heads - depending on the tape speed). They do sound good. It is hard to get them to distort ugly.
HCMG is right - See Emily Play, Astronomy Domine (or however you spelled that), LUCIFER SAM (My favorite from PATGOD)...
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 14:29:34
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ORIGINAL: kwgm
What 60s?
ORIGINAL: Cormega
...total 60s psychedelic rock.
Wow, thanks everyone. I'm a bit overwhelmed with all the replies...some very good advice indeed. Ima bit pushed for time at the moment...I'll go into more detail later, but the band sounds more like early The Who than anything else. Pre-production and "inspirational supplements" acquired =), Nag Champa (Mine and Bob Dylan's favorite). The drummer has a set of V-drums so I plan on using EZdrummer Vintage plug-in with that. Also plan on using IK's Jimi Hendrixs plug with that (because no in the band has any vintage gear and not much of a budget to work with) so, the 60s vibe has to come in thru the mixing phase. Another great example would be: Strawberry Alarmclock - Any The New Life "5 The Hard Way" / "Psychedelic Rape" Thanks alot guys and gals ;)
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 14:32:11
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I agree on Incense and Peppermints but I was looking for things that may not have been as obvious.
Get a Farfisa or a Vox Continental.
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 14:52:08
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As a person who like Psychedelic music, try using either vintage fuzztones (like the jordan bosstone, or the arbiter fuzz face, etc.) on the guitars. Fuzzy guitars are a mainstay in Psychedelic rock (Blues Magoos, Count 5, Love, et. al.) Also, like some of the others have reported using, Farfisa or Vox Continental sounds for organs. Man, what a creative era! Ludwig-like dry drums that others have noted, too. Bass guitar-wise, some of the songs then had boomy rounded Gibson EB-O type of bass while others had Fender Precision pick based sounds. Have fun with the project.
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 15:08:23
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You have to have these:  Hooked up to these  And one of these  And these  Get a light system like this  And matching outfits like this  With some girls dressed like this  Move into a swinging pad like this  And you should get the ambience right for the best new psychedelic music on the planet.
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 15:09:52
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 15:10:14
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I think I just had a flashback.
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 15:12:39
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ORIGINAL: space_cowboy
See, spacy_cowboy proved my point, FZ & MOI.
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 15:16:19
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I know, I know, but it's really all I have to work with...I could rent a Vox amp from a local store. As obvious as they are, why would you frown on using EZD vintage kit and the JH Amplitude plug, isn't that why these were created? I find these absolutely worthless when doing "modern" music, but am truly excited to finally be able to use them for something. After getting the JH plug from Amplitude, I was disappointed...still kinda am. I love the song "Moon, Turn The Tides" but the preset sounds NOTHING like it at all, but this should be the perfect time for it, no? The guitarist has a Big Muff pedal and a few others, but the Line 6 spider combo just ain't gonna cut it.
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 15:19:15
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Saw them twice. Zoot Alures with Captain Beefheart (at the old Armadillo World Headquarters no less - which has that Good Night Austin Texas Whereever You Are line at the end of Muffin Man) and Tinseltown Rebellion tour (Stevie Vai - maybe? Adrian Belew?)
He was an amazing musician. Yeah his lyrics could be out there 3 standard deviations from the mean (or out there where the busses don't run in Kinky Friedman talk), but he was an incredible performer, composer and shredder.
Saw Dweezil last year doing lesser known things from the FZ catalog - like Suzie Creamcheese. He was also amazing. It was spooky though as they had video monitors with FZ singing on a few songs and the DZ band playing.
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 15:20:54
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Cormega
At least get those guitars. They were originally owned by Strawberry Alarm Clock. Judging from the pickups, I would conjur that they were Mosrites.
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 15:21:11
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LMAO @ space cowboy!!! Those guitars are wild!!! ..erm, I mean Groovy!!
bapu, cheers on the Combo Sister, looks interesting!
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 15:25:52
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ORIGINAL: space_cowboy
Saw them twice. Zoot Alures with Captain Beefheart (at the old Armadillo World Headquarters no less - which has that Good Night Austin Texas Whereever You Are line at the end of Muffin Man) and Tinseltown Rebellion tour (Stevie Vai - maybe? Adrian Belew?)
He was an amazing musician. Yeah his lyrics could be out there 3 standard deviations from the mean (or out there where the busses don't run in Kinky Friedman talk), but he was an incredible performer, composer and shredder.
Saw Dweezil last year doing lesser known things from the FZ catalog - like Suzie Creamcheese. He was also amazing. It was spooky though as they had video monitors with FZ singing on a few songs and the DZ band playing.
Love me some FZ!! Kinky Friedman huh? Funny guy! Terrible cigars, but a funny guy!! Yeah, Dweezil became interesting when he stopped trying to be Eddie Van Halen and became more interested in his daddy's body of work! Would love to see him live now!
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 15:33:35
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 15:34:46
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My guitar wants to kill yo mama. ORIGINAL: bapu
ORIGINAL: Marah Mag
Geeze... if Syd Barrett's Pink Floyd was not a 60's psychedelic band that made 60's psychedelic records... who was?
Frank Zappa & The Mothers of Invention?
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 15:36:09
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ORIGINAL: space_cowboy
My guitar wants to kill yo mama.
ORIGINAL: bapu
ORIGINAL: Marah Mag
Geeze... if Syd Barrett's Pink Floyd was not a 60's psychedelic band that made 60's psychedelic records... who was?
Frank Zappa & The Mothers of Invention?
Yeah? Well, weasels ripped my flesh!
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RE: 60s style production
2008/09/03 15:37:11
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ORIGINAL: bapu
ORIGINAL: space_cowboy
My guitar wants to kill yo mama.
ORIGINAL: bapu
ORIGINAL: Marah Mag
Geeze... if Syd Barrett's Pink Floyd was not a 60's psychedelic band that made 60's psychedelic records... who was?
Frank Zappa & The Mothers of Invention?
Yeah? Well, weasels ripped my flesh!
And I wound up working in a Gas Station.
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