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7 basic Functions of a Workable DAW X1
My first one would be being able to do things whilst playing back or recording! e.g Metronome on whilst doing other tasks without drop outs. VST stability CPU USAGE REWIRE MIDI Notation Function on any OS Basic Specifications or only use specific computers (if programming is problematic)
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Re:7 basic Functions of a Workable DAW X1
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i am bothered by the inability to turn the metronome on and off on the fly (without muting and soloing the metronome bus) but I have been amazed at how many things i can do on the fly that were not possible in the past (apply effects, bouncing to clips moving and slip editing, etc) what really kills me tho is the lack of subdivisions in the metronome. at slow tempos, quarter notes just dont cut it! how hard would it be to allow for eight notes and triplets, etc. i almost always just make a click or reference beat with the step sequencer these days. it also solves the above issue of being able to turn it on and off on the fly. i can taylor the metronome for each songs feel and intensity.
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Re:7 basic Functions of a Workable DAW X1
2011/09/05 08:27:50
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1) ...it should not glitch when inserting a Softsynth during playback, resulting in playing MIDI clips data off-sync.... a real mess....
...improvisation should be comfortable, not a nightmare.....
2) ...for the same above reasons, MIDI data played without record function engaged should be still available in memory, to be pasted on a track if needed... you see, Cubase and FL Studio can easily do that.....
...again, improvisation would benefit a lot.....
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Re:7 basic Functions of a Workable DAW X1
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I'm not convinced "function on any OS" is what you'd call a "basic" function. It's a fairly substantial undertaking to support just two, never mind "any".
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Re:7 basic Functions of a Workable DAW X1
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so this is any OS??? come on we have way more and mostly better OSes- I'd personally want to run my DAW on IBM mainframe z/OS, crashes practically impossible...
p.s. backwards compatibility is major problem and always not good for a product, no to mention multi OS support....
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Re:7 basic Functions of a Workable DAW X1
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i am bothered by the inability to turn the metronome on and off on the fly (without muting and soloing the metronome bus) but I have been amazed at how many things i can do on the fly that were not possible in the past (apply effects, bouncing to clips moving and slip editing, etc) what really kills me tho is the lack of subdivisions in the metronome. at slow tempos, quarter notes just dont cut it! how hard would it be to allow for eight notes and triplets, etc. i almost always just make a click or reference beat with the step sequencer these days. it also solves the above issue of being able to turn it on and off on the fly. i can taylor the metronome for each songs feel and intensity.
I use a simple EZdrummer beat (in my templates). It is so much better than the "tick-tock" of the metronome. Tom
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Re:7 basic Functions of a Workable DAW X1
2011/09/05 14:38:39
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Once you've worked on any DAW that DOES have a "gapless audio engine" it's kinda pitiful when you return to Sonar...and yet I always do. I still love the ol gal. But geeze, it would be nice to be able to work "on the fly" don't ya think??
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Re:7 basic Functions of a Workable DAW X1
2011/09/05 14:53:11
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I'd love to have a "make hit button"...
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Re:7 basic Functions of a Workable DAW X1
2011/09/05 15:19:21
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kc2ine
I'd love to have a "make hit button"...
X1 does have one, but the keybinding for it doesnt work yet! 
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Re:7 basic Functions of a Workable DAW X1
2011/09/05 15:23:33
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what really kills me tho is the lack of subdivisions in the metronome. at slow tempos, quarter notes just dont cut it! how hard would it be to allow for eight notes and triplets, etc.
Blix, my solution is the Sonitus Delay on the Metronome bus. Set it to HOST tempo and 1/2 notes, and tweak mix etc to taste. It's a workaround, but it works :O)
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Re:7 basic Functions of a Workable DAW X1
2011/09/05 15:32:37
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Gapless engine would be nice. Us P5ers still use it since it was better than SONAR is. Still, I did a lot of music to tape and never complained I couldn't splice it while rolling. technolgy seems to be spoiling us, or expanding the defination of what is necessary anyway. Gapless, I say again, is nice, but I think SONAR would need an entire rework, if the old threads say what I think they do.
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Re:7 basic Functions of a Workable DAW X1
2011/09/05 16:41:10
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OK, I admit, I am learning and just getting my feet wet but.. didn't Cakewalk advertise a "Hapless Audio Engine" with Sonar 4 ??
Surely it has been perfected by now.
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Once you've worked on any DAW that DOES have a "gapless audio engine" it's kinda pitiful when you return to Sonar...and yet I always do. I still love the ol gal. But geeze, it would be nice to be able to work "on the fly" don't ya think??
...sure it would be nice......... ol' pal......... ...unfortunately, live music and improvisation are not exactly SONAR's strenght...... ...anyway... when in love................ 
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Re:7 basic Functions of a Workable DAW X1
2011/09/06 03:24:41
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Ok! what are the strengths???
I know most things are broken...but what is rock solid???
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Re:7 basic Functions of a Workable DAW X1
2011/09/06 03:29:09
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Dappa1
Ok! what are the strengths???
I know most things are broken...but what is rock solid???
errors log....  p.s. gush, most things are broken??? that's not good....
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Re:7 basic Functions of a Workable DAW X1
2011/09/06 03:34:55
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That's Funny Especially if you are promoting yourself as the best on the planet but remain ungapless (if there's such a word)
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Dappa1
Ok! what are the strengths???
I know most things are broken...but what is rock solid???
...deep Audio and MIDI editing (especially MIDI...), Audio waveform preview from the Synth tracks (actually unique and powerful for signal and automation control...), ...several sequencing capabilities as greatest Step Sequencer, Matrix view... ...ecc, ecc............. ...IMO, no other DAW is so comprehensive............ ...far as the "rock solid" affair, it sure in needs fixes and improvements, especially after the X1 version popped-up, but STILL it is the ALL IN ONE BEST PACKAGE out there......................... ...after all, after X1, it can only get better..... let's hope........ ;-)
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Re:7 basic Functions of a Workable DAW X1
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Are they Rock Solid...? My theory is if the Engine is having problems everything else tho rock solid is sitting on top of that engine unless you have an overall no matter what you build on it will be dysfunctional. What I can't understand is most computer languages allow for all of this to be working gapless. In my opinion there is no excuse for poor programming. I would expect that the Bakers know their stuff! Indeed I think they do but I think the problem lies in its Yearly Cycle and hence lack of quality over Quantity. There's a time when it begins to show. But I think if things need improving I think they should sit down and think about remodelling and rebranding
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2011/09/06 03:46:00
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Are they Rock Solid...?
My theory is if the Engine is having problems everything else tho rock solid is sitting on top of that engine unless you have an overall no matter what you build on it will be dysfunctional.
...I definitely agree about the engine, unfortunately....... ...as it's true and obvious it may cause everything else to be unusable, after all......
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Re:7 basic Functions of a Workable DAW X1
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Dappa1
What I can't understand is most computer languages allow for all of this to be working gapless. In my opinion there is no excuse for poor programming. I would expect that the Bakers know their stuff!
Indeed I think they do but I think the problem lies in its Yearly Cycle and hence lack of quality over Quantity. There's a time when it begins to show.
But I think if things need improving I think they should sit down and think about remodelling and rebranding
...I feel it too....... ...the yearly cycle has become tiresome... and i's time to DEFINITELY iron some long time standing issues........ ...whilst the unrequested X1 "revolution" could have waited yet (or better, to me, never come.........)
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Re:7 basic Functions of a Workable DAW X1
2011/09/06 03:51:10
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I guess thats where individual problems come and some systems may handle it better than others. Again my theory.
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2011/09/06 05:51:32
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I don't think understand this thread. Sonar does work on all of those. Indeed, as it does all the things in your opening list.
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2011/09/06 05:54:25
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I like your system Specs John T
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Re:7 basic Functions of a Workable DAW X1
2011/09/06 08:22:26
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Indeed, as it does all the things in your opening list.
Properly? Which one of those listed things doesn't have known issues that have been submitted to development but have not been addressed yet?
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I don't think understand this thread. Sonar does work on all of those. Indeed, as it does all the things in your opening list.
It still does not work on Linux....nor does it work on VAX/VMS either for that matter....
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"....nor does it work on VAX/VMS either for that matter...."
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Re:7 basic Functions of a Workable DAW X1
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Once you've worked on any DAW that DOES have a "gapless audio engine" it's kinda pitiful when you return to Sonar...and yet I always do. I still love the ol gal. But geeze, it would be nice to be able to work "on the fly" don't ya think??
+1 A trial of another DAW (which will remain nameless) has left me spoiled in this regard.
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I'm wondering what problems with gapping people are having. Sure, Sonar is not the most absolutely solid app out there for on-the-fly work, but it can do it, and possibly to a greater extent than it might seem. Selecting "Always Open All Devices" in the audio options can make a whole bunch of drop out problems go away. I suspect this may not be widely known.
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I'm wondering what problems with gapping people are having. Sure, Sonar is not the most absolutely solid app out there for on-the-fly work, but it can do it, and possibly to a greater extent than it might seem. Selecting "Always Open All Devices" in the audio options can make a whole bunch of drop out problems go away. I suspect this may not be widely known.
I suspect that is more widely known than you'd imagine. In fact anybody who has tried to get Sonar to perform well in this regard has probably noticed that it makes little if any difference. Of three apps. that I subsequently tried to see if this issue existed elsewhere, all were able to do this gracefully straight out of the gate. I'll name them Studio One, Record and Reaper. Try them yourself if you want to hear what a gapless engine sounds like. In fact looping and comping takes in Record is even fun again. No more rummaging through layers that have strangely changed order and no more ear damage from an almighty crunch at a looping point. In fact I even had to change the sample rate from 48 to 96k this morning, because I'm a dimbulb and I forgot the rate the sections I was working on were 96k, and didn't have to move from the spot I was at. I just saw that my interface had responded to the rate change and was able to continue. YAY!
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