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Re:A $2.6 Billion Gamble for Curiosity
2012/08/06 17:22:29
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Exactly. I've heard stories (which I don't know if they're true or not) of pharmaceutical companies that have effective drugs for cancer treatment, but they're not marketing them because there's no profit in them. If THAT'S true, then lots of priorities need to change!
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Re:A $2.6 Billion Gamble for Curiosity
2012/08/06 17:28:46
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It is quite an astonding feet...
When you consider the following
A. the AVG distance between the Earth and Mars is 140 Million miles
as, the two planets travel on an eliptical orbit at separate speeds
around the Sun.
B. at their CLOSEST they are 35 million miles...which has not been observed since we began keeping records.
C. the TIME it would take for a RADIO wave to reach the Earth would be,
at their CLOSEST POINT, 34 days...given that the speed of sound at
Sea Level is 700 mph. ( I know that "space" is different ) just using this
as a reference point.
D. I realize that space is a "vacuum" so am not quite sure how that effects
the transmission of "radio waves" or "microwaves" for that matter.
My point is...if you are trying to land a vessel on a planet that is AT IT'S CLOSEST
POINT some 35 million miles away, factoring in LAG TIME (let's call it "latency" ) for ANY SIGNAL, even LIGHT, to reach Earth. The landing would be impossible for someone HERE on Earth to perform....let alone observe, as, by the time Earth observes the landing, it should have ALREADY taken place quite a while PRIOR to the observation HERE on Earth.
I'm sure they have some SCIENTIFIC jargon to throw out there..
And I know the landings are COMPUTER controlled. But to say
we are WATCHING the landing in "real time" is a misnomer at best.
Which kind of makes you wonder if they ARE even doing it at all!!!
But, hey, you can put on a big show for 2.6 billion dollars!!!
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Re:A $2.6 Billion Gamble for Curiosity
2012/08/06 17:35:24
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cclarry
But, hey, you can put on a big show for 2.6 billion dollars!!! The Stones do it all the time. Those Steel Wheels ain't cheap.
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Re:A $2.6 Billion Gamble for Curiosity
2012/08/06 17:38:21
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bapu
cclarry
But, hey, you can put on a big show for 2.6 billion dollars!!!
The Stones do it all the time. Those Steel Wheels ain't cheap.
+1 If ya start me up....
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craigb
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Re:A $2.6 Billion Gamble for Curiosity
2012/08/06 17:43:49
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It takes half a billion just to animate Keef...
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Re:A $2.6 Billion Gamble for Curiosity
2012/08/06 17:48:52
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Just a little info for some of you getting all hot and bothered about this. This project was funded and started in 2006. These things do take a little time ya know.
And just in case you are curious, the party in control of the White House, Senate and House of Representatives were the Republican Party.
Now, you were saying?
Randy
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Re:A $2.6 Billion Gamble for Curiosity
2012/08/06 17:52:11
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Re:A $2.6 Billion Gamble for Curiosity
2012/08/06 17:54:14
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rsp@odyssey.net
Just a little info for some of you getting all hot and bothered about this. This project was funded and started in 2006. These things do take a little time ya know.
And just in case you are curious, the party in control of the White House, Senate and House of Representatives were the Republican Party.
Now, you were saying?
Randy
That it was a much better use of tax payer money than going on vacations! (But I wasn't one getting hot and bothered about it.) 
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Re:A $2.6 Billion Gamble for Curiosity
2012/08/06 18:04:42
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rsp@odyssey.net
Just a little info for some of you getting all hot and bothered about this. This project was funded and started in 2006. These things do take a little time ya know.
And just in case you are curious, the party in control of the White House, Senate and House of Representatives were the Republican Party.
Now, you were saying?
Randy
That it was a much better use of tax payer money than going on vacations! (But I wasn't one getting hot and bothered about it.)
I don't have a problem with Presidents taking vacations. They've all done it and it's expensive. It's not like they can just hop in the car with the family and go tooling around the country. And it's not like they can just leave and leave someone else in charge. It's a 24/7 job with pressures none of us can relate to. Actual leisure time is probably 4 or 5 hours a day while on vacation. This big old world doesn't stop just because the most powerful guy in the world wants to get out of town for a few days. Randy
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Re:A $2.6 Billion Gamble for Curiosity
2012/08/06 18:08:00
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What they haven't told you is that they when they sent it, there was a cat on board. They figured it was the best way to find out if there really were Biker Mice from Mars.
Unfortunately, the cat jumped out too early in the landing process and was squished by the Rover.
Curiosity killed the cat.
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craigb
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Re:A $2.6 Billion Gamble for Curiosity
2012/08/06 18:21:47
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rsp@odyssey.net
craigb
rsp@odyssey.net
Just a little info for some of you getting all hot and bothered about this. This project was funded and started in 2006. These things do take a little time ya know.
And just in case you are curious, the party in control of the White House, Senate and House of Representatives were the Republican Party.
Now, you were saying?
Randy
That it was a much better use of tax payer money than going on vacations! (But I wasn't one getting hot and bothered about it.)
I don't have a problem with Presidents taking vacations. They've all done it and it's expensive. It's not like they can just hop in the car with the family and go tooling around the country. And it's not like they can just leave and leave someone else in charge. It's a 24/7 job with pressures none of us can relate to. Actual leisure time is probably 4 or 5 hours a day while on vacation. This big old world doesn't stop just because the most powerful guy in the world wants to get out of town for a few days.
Randy
The point is they shouldn't be taking vacations if the people paying for it can't afford to go themselves (let alone the fact that many would like to use some of that money to eat and pay bills with).
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Randy P
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Re:A $2.6 Billion Gamble for Curiosity
2012/08/06 18:40:51
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I understand your point Craig. It's just not realistic. There has never been a time in our history when there wasn't unemployement or suffering of some kind. If the job of President required that you could never have a vacation or exhibit any kind of sense of enjoying yourself, no one would want the job. It's not like Presidents have ever said "Yeah, all you poor slobs can just watch me play golf cause I don't car about your plight".
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Re:A $2.6 Billion Gamble for Curiosity
2012/08/06 18:51:30
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I'm just not sure why it isn't realistic. The last ten years that I was working full time I never had a chance to take a full week off (and I averaged 56.3 hours per week over that ten year span). The environment was set up so that if you would probably be replaced if you didn't work all that extra time.
That said, I doubt anyone would care if they only took one or two vacations over a term, but the last several have really overdone it. I'd much rather hear if there used to be life on Mars. Our leadership (on both sides) act more like (bad) kings than what they're supposed to.
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Re:A $2.6 Billion Gamble for Curiosity
2012/08/06 19:03:24
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craigb
I'm just not sure why it isn't realistic. The last ten years that I was working full time I never had a chance to take a full week off (and I averaged 56.3 hours per week over that ten year span). The environment was set up so that if you would probably be replaced if you didn't work all that extra time.
That said, I doubt anyone would care if they only took one or two vacations over a term, but the last several have really overdone it. I'd much rather hear if there used to be life on Mars. Our leadership (on both sides) act more like (bad) kings than what they're supposed to.
I guess I look at it like this. They take a job with immense pressure and like I said, it's 24/7. They are required to move the family into a city they've never lived before, and the family is required to have around the clock security everywhere they go. The only privacy is in the upstairs. The worlds media watches every public move you and your family make and every word you and they say. How you dress, what you eat, where you go, all of it. There isn't a brighter spot light or finer microscope to live under. They also get paid less than they were making when they took the job. All of them. I don't think any of them really get it until they get in there what's involved. I'm speaking of only of Presidents here. Are they perfect? No. None of us are. Randy
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Crg
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Re:A $2.6 Billion Gamble for Curiosity
2012/08/06 19:59:15
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Actually, they're not looking for life on Mars, they're looking for the history of life on Mars. It all relates to our history and mythology and the theory-beleif that life existed on other planets in our solar system before the reordering of the planetary order that presently exists. In short, some theories state that more than one planet existed in the galactic "sweet spot" that supports life as we know it. Or, that the sweet spot was larger than it is now. Nuff said.
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Re:A $2.6 Billion Gamble for Curiosity
2012/08/06 20:27:22
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Vacations and working hours being compared between politicians
and civilians? Are you guys serious?
If so I can't wait until you get to the retirement benefits part.
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craigb
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Re:A $2.6 Billion Gamble for Curiosity
2012/08/06 20:30:03
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It's only the tip of the iceberg of what pisses me off, but I'm done before I go deeper into TOS violation.
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jbow
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Re:A $2.6 Billion Gamble for Curiosity
2012/08/06 20:59:44
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None of you really think you have any "say so" about any of this do you? We have completely lost control of the federal government. It is now government of the people, by the government, and for the government.
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Re:A $2.6 Billion Gamble for Curiosity
2012/08/06 21:09:38
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djwayne
The Iludium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator...they've stolen the Space Modulator!!!
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Re:A $2.6 Billion Gamble for Curiosity
2012/08/06 21:11:12
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jbow
None of you really think you have any "say so" about any of this do you? We have completely lost control of the federal government. It is now government of the people, by the government, and for the government.
J
+1 A governent OF THE RICH, BY THE RICH, AND FOR THE RICH!!! That's more appropriate...
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Re:A $2.6 Billion Gamble for Curiosity
2012/08/06 21:13:27
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I, for one, wish NASA well on this endeavour. If it was not for NASA, and other such projects around the world we would not have known about the hole in the ozone layer, or what was going on with the various aspects of our climate going on now... And, still, we spend FAR, FAR, more on war toys, globally, than we spend on this...let us spend some of the defense budgets on actually helping people on this planet....oh...btw...just check out how much was spent, globally, on war toys the next time....
post edited by trimph1 - 2012/08/06 21:15:02
The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate. Bushpianos
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Re:A $2.6 Billion Gamble for Curiosity
2012/08/06 21:14:48
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Well maybe but the poor generally have never ruled anyone or anything. There is an old saying, "the cream rises to the top". You could take all the worlds wealth and spit it up evenly between all people and within I would guess 10 years or less it would be back in the same hands as it is in now... IMO.
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Re:A $2.6 Billion Gamble for Curiosity
2012/08/06 21:25:27
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cclarry
B. at their CLOSEST they are 35 million miles...which has not been observed since we began keeping records.
This event (called 'Opposition') happens once every 26 months or so. Because Earth and Mars have slightly different orbital planes, and both move in ellipses of differing eccentricity, the distance between the two planets at opposition can be more than 35 million miles. C. the TIME it would take for a RADIO wave to reach the Earth would be,
at their CLOSEST POINT, 34 days...given that the speed of sound at
Sea Level is 700 mph. ( I know that "space" is different ) just using this
as a reference point. Radio waves travel at the speed of light, not the speed of sound. It would take a radio message just over 3 minutes to travel from Earth to Mars at opposition, and around 21 to 22 minutes when they are around their farthest apart (called 'Conjunction').
My point is...if you are trying to land a vessel on a planet that is AT IT'S CLOSEST
POINT some 35 million miles away, factoring in LAG TIME (let's call it "latency" ) for ANY SIGNAL, even LIGHT, to reach Earth. The landing would be impossible for someone HERE on Earth to perform....let alone observe, as, by the time Earth observes the landing, it should have ALREADY taken place quite a while PRIOR to the observation HERE on Earth.
I'm sure they have some SCIENTIFIC jargon to throw out there..
And I know the landings are COMPUTER controlled.
Well, that is roughly how it is done. They're not flying it in by remote control for the reasons you mention, but they will wait for certain telemetry and respond accordingly before 'authorising' the onboard computers to perform certain significant changes in trajectory. But to say
we are WATCHING the landing in "real time" is a misnomer at best.
By the very fact that electro-magnetic waves (in this case light waves) travel at a finite speed, we don't really see anything in 'real time'. True, the delay at short distances may be small enough to discount for practical purposes, but it is still there. At short light-distances, the time it takes for light waves to travel from the retina and be processed by the brain is more of a factor.
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