A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1

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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/18 17:00:02 (permalink)
I ordered a Presonus Audiobox 44 VSL today for $274. I'll let you know how it goes.

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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/18 17:06:37 (permalink)
Yeah... that looks much nicer than that other Pre Sonus you were looking at. Definitely let us know how it works out.
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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/20 01:40:42 (permalink)
Beepster - fun to read through your sojourn here. I have two of the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6s. So pleased with the first one (which I've loaded up with cables) that I bought a second one for when I roam around and just want to have a quick connect. It's worked like a charm for me. I appreciate the ADAT input, which has allowed me to send in 8 additional inputs from a ProFire 2626. The sound is really crystal clean. I didn't have a single issue or bit of confusion in the install process. I did decide to pick up from a hardware store a remote power switch for the plug. The one annoyance I have is that there's no on off switch for the unit. So for the unit I have that has all the inputs loaded and doesn't move I've attached this remote switch plug to it so I can turn it on and off easily without reaching behind a bunch of wires to unhook the power. With that in place I've been a happy camper with the unit and relish the sound.

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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/20 01:45:46 (permalink)
Ha! I actually just asked you a question in the other thread so I'll post it here after this. It really does seem to be a really great little device but yes I would have preferred a power switch on it but I guess they had their reasons for not including one. I'll re-post my original question so anyone watching this thread can see the answer. Thanks for popping in.
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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/20 01:46:47 (permalink)
From the other thread: Hi, lawajawa. I see from your specs you have an M-Audio device hooked up to the 18i6 to take advantage of the extra channels via the optical connection. I'm curious as to how difficult it was to get that set up and what kind of results you are getting. I have the 18i6 and thought I might be stuck purchasing their OctoPre interface if I wanted to expand without a mixer so if there are other options I'd love to explore them. Thanks.
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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/20 01:51:36 (permalink)
Also you say you have two 18i6s. Is it possible to daisy chain them or alternatively use them simultaneously via separate USB ports? I'm about to turn in for the night so sorry if I don't reply until tomorrow. Cheers.
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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/20 02:09:24 (permalink)
Beepster - I don't see how the daisy chaining idea would work. The Scarlett MixControl is all set up to handle the one unit, as well as the ADAT inputs but it doesn't have a UI design to accommodate daisy chaining a like unit. I get great results from the ADAT input. It's just like having 8 more inputs in the back (all through this one tiny ADAT plug), and the MixControl UI is fantastic for quickly mixing to suit your ears for monitoring. Sonar X1 is all ready to handle the additional 8 inputs, so you've got 18 inputs to choose from to route to your audio track input. This has made it very convenient for me to have multiple external midi sound devices. I can call up sounds from all over the place (not to mention the internal soft synth stuff) and it flows in as needed. My one other comment is that I've been using the Line 6 KB37 for recording guitar tracks. I prefer how the KB37 has virtually no latency while I play live and put down tracks even loaded with all the sounds from either Pod Farm or Guitar Rig 5. Compared to the Focusrite Scarlett, I've found that the guitar input experience is much sharper through the KB37. But in contrast to that, I've found that all of the other audio inputs I want - external midi audio inputs, and microphones etc. have superior clarity through the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6. Sonar X1 is great, it enables me to easily toggle between the two audio devices as needed.

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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/20 15:40:15 (permalink)
Thanks for the reply, lawajawa. Very cool stuff. Yanno now I'm starting to wonder about using the Layla as an input expansion. They CAN be daisy chained to each other using the optical connector in kind of a slave/master type scenario. I wonder if it would work with the 18i6. hmmm...
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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/21 20:34:57 (permalink)
Ok Beepster, I've got my Presonus Audiobox 44 VSL running at 24bit 48 khz 64 buffers. Roundtrip latency is 4.7 ms! I'm thrilled.

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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/21 20:58:32 (permalink)
That is SLICK, dude. Good stuff. Currently I am screwing around with other things (WHAT DID THOSE PEOPLE DO TO MY POOR P-BASS?!!))) so nothing much to report at this point.
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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/21 21:13:30 (permalink)
BTW in regards to the optical input stuff Matt from Focusrite said this in another thread in case ya'll missed it...


"Glad to hear you are all enjoying using your Scarletts and Saffires with X1.
Beepster: In regards to your question about using the optical input with the 18i6, you should be able to use it with any device that has an ADAT optical output. The only thing you have to do is plugin the lightpipe cable to both devices and set your Sync source in MixControl to ADAT. You will want to set the device sending the optical output to internal clocking. It really is that easy.
Matt Pliskin // Focusrite Technical Support"

Hooray!
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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/21 21:16:46 (permalink)
And by "Hooray!" I mean my Layla does indeed have an optical out so I think I might be able to use it to take advantage of the extra 8 analog ins on the Layla. Whether I can use the phantom power on the mic pres... well I guess I'll just have to experiment. So the moral of the story is... Hooray!
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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/21 22:00:57 (permalink)
That would be pretty cool if it works out that way. Let us know when you get back to it.

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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/22 00:19:20 (permalink)
Okay... so I'm trying an instrument track for the first time (gonna try to record a bass line) and I wanted to use multi input 1. I inserted an audio track in X1, clicked the output menu and selected the Focusrite left channel 1 (not exactly what it said but that's not my point). When I did that the "Instr." LEDs on the front of the box lit up red for the first time... both of them. Just trying to keep with my thorough description. Cheers.
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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/22 00:22:34 (permalink)
Actually I forgot that I opened MixControl and switched 1 and 2 to Inst (instead of Line) and that is what made the LEDs turn on. When I switch either one back to line the corresponding LED turns off.
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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/22 01:38:55 (permalink)
I'm super tired now but I just managed to get a bass track recorded. Despite a busted up pickup and a complete lack of any kind of tweaking aside from adjusting the trim knob and setting MixControl channel 1 to "Instr" I got an AWESOME sound. Super clean, crisp, full and loud... just from plugging straight into the front of the 18i6 with my Mexi P. I did not hear ANY latency at all and I have not changed the buffer settings from my last report (it's set at 10ms and I was getting something silly like 30ms roundtrip) so perhaps it was set to zero latency monitoring or I just don't hear that kind of latency. Either way I am quite happy with the results. Cheers and good night.
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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/22 02:06:52 (permalink)
Okay... so that was a little bit understated. I needed to put away my gear and get some dinner going. When I say it sounded good I mean it sounded GOOOOOOOD. Like I was playing through an old Ampeg fridge dialed into to it's cleanest, most present sound. I was really worried about how I would deal with my bass tracks and thought I would have to buy an amp or screw around with sims forever but from my ears it was spot, freaking, on. And all I did was plug straight into the Scarlett. Granted I did just put new strings on the bass so that probably helped but I used to try a direct in on my Layla through the multi pres with the exact same bass (when the pickup wasn't mangled too) and it was flat and cruddy sounding. I recorded an album and ran my bass through my Line 6 head to get a cleaner tone which worked well enough but that was GARBAGE compared to this. Even after tons of post EQing and adding effects and whatever it was GARBAGE compared to this. So yes indeed a basic Instr. input through the multi pres smokes some considerable butt at least in regards to recording bass. Can't wait to see what it will do for my guitar sound... and, if I ever get up to it again, some vocals. Cheers.
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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/22 08:48:25 (permalink)
So...   Hi-Z = 
 


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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/22 16:47:46 (permalink)
Does the scarlett come with any amp simulation software like my line 6 ux-1 did? Something like pod farm perhaps?

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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/22 16:53:38 (permalink)
No amp Sims. Just compressor, gate, EQ and reverb plugs. I didn't use any of that for the bass track.
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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/22 17:45:34 (permalink)
Well, I ordered the 18i6...  and it's all your fault, Beepster.  
 

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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/22 17:52:34 (permalink)
AWESOME!! Lemme know how you like it.
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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/22 18:49:46 (permalink)
I should have it towards the end of next week.   
 

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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/23 00:05:13 (permalink)
Okay... just taking a little break now and thought I'd make a report on latency stuff. So it turns out last night I was indeed using the Zero Latency Monitoring function in MixControl for my bass track. After some wrestling with MixControl and X1 I got the Scarlett to monitor from X1. As I said earlier I left everything at default settings which was the 10ms setting in the "Settings" popup. It was reporting something silly like 50ms roundtrip at the time. I forget and I'm not going back to check. So now that I was hearing the bass being monitored from the X1 I was indeed hearing some of that latency. It was crazy but it was enough to bother me and probably effect a performance. So I opened up the "Settings" drop down in MixControl and pushed the fader to 4.0ms. This caused an engine stop in X1 (oops... I guess I should have closed X1 first). After I restarted X1 and reloaded my project all was good. If I REALLY strain to hear any latency I guess I can but it's pretty much right there. X1 is reporting Input: 9.0 msec, 398 samples Output: 13.0 msec, 575 samples Total Roundtrip: 22.1 msec. Obviously that isn't ultra low latency but I still have two more increments on my buffer knob (I'm not messing with that tonight though because I'm happy with the latency I'm getting). I have recorded and played back my project and there are no clicks or pops and the bass still sounds awesome. Hope that helps some.
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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/23 00:32:37 (permalink)
BTW this signal is SUPER strong. I've got my trim knob on the unit turned almost completely off and had to pull my track fader in X1 WAY down and was still getting a super powerful signal. Sounds great. I can't wait to try out some of the included effects.
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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/23 06:24:50 (permalink)
Thanks for all your ramblings Beepster. I'm using the QUAD-CAPTURE myself, but I'm pretty new to using external sound cards, and I'm finding some of your accounts quite useful.
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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/26 16:42:28 (permalink)
Glad you've found it helpful, synkrotron. That's what I was hoping for with all this. When I first started looking at all the new modern interfaces it was very intimidating and confusing so I figured if I just put it all out there others like myself might find some meaning beyond all the technobabble. Cheers.
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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/26 16:53:19 (permalink)
Anyway I wanted to make a quick report on latency results. The other night I plugged in my guitar to get some leads happening over top of the blues bass track I recorded. At the 4ms setting which Sonar was reporting a 22.1 roundtrip latency for I did actually start to hear an ever so slight delay. So I dropped it down to the 2ms setting and the delay pretty much disappeared. Again if I REALLY strained to hear a delay I could but it was really insignificant. Sonar reported just a little over 12ms roundtrip latency at this setting and again there were no audible pops, clicks or dropouts after recording or during playback. So that's pretty good. Not amazing but pretty good. I do have one more increment on the buffer fader (1ms) so I'd imagine if I switched to that I'd likely get around 6-7ms roundtrip latency. Certainly not the 2ms some devices get but those units generally cost a lot more. As far as the dry sound of the guitar it wasn't quite as impressive as the bass (a little flatter) but that might just be my pickups. I'll probably get much better results from my ART300 with the chrome humbuckers. I have not tried out the mic pres yet but that will be happening soon. I'll let you all know how it goes. Cheers!
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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/26 17:34:09 (permalink)
It sounds like the minimum latency values do go fairly low if you're getting down to 1ms input.   But whether those values hold up under heavier CPU loads remains to be seen.   Hopefully I will know myself sometime soon since I should be receiving my shipment in the next few days.  
 

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Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/26 17:47:45 (permalink)
Yeah... I was a little worried about you, stevec. I know I may have steered you towards this but I realize now it is not a super low latency device. I did however achieve that 12ms roundtrip you said would be acceptable for you. I am running an i7 2600k with 16GB of RAM. I have to find a new BIOS inspector software or reinstall AISuite 2 to get a good look at what is happening with my CPU usage at these buffer settings. Really though everything looks good so far and I have put it through some semi rigorous experiments. From what I understand Guitar Rig is a pretty CPU intensive program and that is what I was cranking the guitar through (using the high samplerate setting) alongside unfrozen Session Drummer 3 tracks without any hiccups so that's probably a good sign. I really hope you can get it doing what you need because otherwise I would feel bad. Cheers.
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