A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1

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A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1

Hello, everyone. I hope you are all having a great day.

It seems many people are curious about this line of interfaces and rightly so. They are a great price and seem to offer a lot. After being assured by other users here and contacting Focusrite that this would work with my set up I went for it. I'm going to spend the next few days reading the manual, installing the unit and testing it out. I finally have some time so tonight I have opened the box and figured I'd start my thread right now (I actually opened the box when it arrived but I only did a preliminary examination of the equipment). This way it's kind of a real time account of what I'm doing and how I am doing it. Just so you all know I am indeed very much a beginner to X1 and although I've done some digital recording in the past with decent results I still consider myself a beginner to digital recording (this will likely become apparent as the thread goes on if it isn't already... lulz). Essentially this is not intended as pro advice. Just an account of installing my new toy.

The Packaging:

Yup. It's a box. Nice secure box built to ship well. Glossy on the outside with all the usual stuff. Big ole pic of the 18i6 on the front, some feature stuff and general fanfare. It has a "Pro Tools 9 Ready" sticker and an "Ableton Live Lite 8" blurb that looks like a sticker but it's actually printed right on the box. The back has specs and descriptions, blah blah blah. I'm getting bored looking at the box...

Opens the box: OMG IT'S A HEAD!!!

Just kidding.

First thing is there is a nice little Xeroxed note from Focusrite saying if you have any problems to contact them and then it provides their phone numbers in the US and internationally as well as their website's answer base URL. It also has a note saying to be sure that you download the most current drivers from Focusrite. It is a nice personal touch on their part and their support is great (from personal experience) but that is there for a reason. People have had troubles with their drivers (I'm assuming it was the whole move to 64 bit that tripped things up) but they have updated their drivers and supposedly they work fine now. Essentially they are saying "DO NOT INSTALL THE DRIVERS FROM THE CD! Get the current stuff and if there is an issue contact us."

That, to me, instills some confidence. Obviously (or to some perhaps not so obviously) you should always get the latest drivers for anything you install on your computer but they remind you as soon as you open the box. Very nice.

Enough on that... under the note there is a formed eggshell type carton thingy. Pull it up and there's my 18i6 wrapped in a foamy bag, then wrapped in a plastic bag and to that a ziploc with bunch of CDs and other printed gack is taped on top.

What's in the baggie?:

"A Pocket Guide to the Full Range"... just a fold out ad for a bunch of other Focusrite products.

*tosses it aside*

Registration card with the 18i6's s/n...

*hangs onto that*

Scarlett USB 2.0 Range Resources CD Version - 1.1 (I will not install any of that unless necessary. Instead I will grab the latest versions from the Focusrite website).

Wait... there is ANOTHER baggie within the baggie!

This is the Ableton stuff.

Okay, so there is a sticker that looks exactly like the printed Ableton blurb on the front of the box. Meh.

*tosses it aside*

There is a card with a registration number for Ableton Live Lite. Not sure if I have to download it but I'm not intending to play with Ableton just yet.

*hangs onto that*

Novation Bass Station Authorization Card...

Another registration code with some instructions. I've never heard of this program but I'll check it out at some point.

*hangs onto that*

Optical Disc (not sure if it's a CD or DVD so I'll just call it an optical disc) that is labeled "Xcite + Pack Software and Samples". I think this is probably just extra content for Ableton and perhaps some of the fancy Focusrite software plugins. Stuff I'd probably snag from their websites as opposed to installing from a disc though unless I absolutely needed to.


So that was kind of boring but I just wanted to be thorough. Now I'm gonna yank out the actual interface for a proper visual inspection.

I'll be back in a bit.
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    John
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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/13 21:21:25 (permalink)
    I can't say I do things the way you do. LOL I aways rip it out of the box and stick it in or or attach it or plug it in or install it or ....... Than when nothing works I start reading.


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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/13 21:31:39 (permalink)
    Hello, John. Yup. I've learned the hard way over the years to read every darned thing that comes with the box and then scour the internet for anything I'm missing. I find the extra effort saves a lot of headaches especially considering electronics hate me for some reason. This is however from most reports a very easily installable device. I'm hoping those reports hold true. :-)
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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/13 21:36:55 (permalink)
    bass station is based on the real unit.. so keep / use that. they gave away their other synth when I bought one of their controllers.. quite a nice one , does arps n stuff. 

    Did you get a cd of RX2 loops ? some of their stuff has it.  I have 4 novation/focusrite things IRC.
     
    as for ableton , they are tied in with focusrite a bit.. I've got 3 licenses for "lite" hehe.. but at the moment here they are doing a decent deal if you upgrade 33% off if you have lite already, only for 3 days though!!.. I'm *REALLY* tempted , partly because of warp and a few more bits .. and yer I own sonar, cubase and reason already... if I could take certain bits out of each I'd be happy.. but I digress.

    I use a saffire 6 usb here, on this laptop and it does what it needs to, although not I'm so impressed with the novation controllers build quality (same company) and how they deal with other sequencers better. 

    I always get the updated drivers off the website as 90% of the time the ones on the cd / dvd with it are a few versions older :)

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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/13 21:54:58 (permalink)
    Right on, Fog. I'm actually quite interested in what Ableton Live does but I want to get my head wrapped around X1 first as it will be my main DAW. I like these lite editions that come with stuff so I can check out who's doing what. I'm looking at keyboard controllers and I have a motivation to get something by M-Audio so I can score a lite version of Pro Tools as well. I'm a very curious fellow. Anyway... just typing something up about the actual box right now. Cheers.
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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/13 22:33:45 (permalink)
    So now I have the box in my hands...

    The box (general):

    It is, as promised, a steel box. The case is well machined and held together by screws. I kind of like that because it's good to know if I ever wanted to I could crack it open. That is obviously not something I would ever do though... because that would be dumb. I can see on the bottom where the board has been mounted to the box as well. All this basically means to me this is easily serciceable by Focusrite so if something happened after the warranty expired it might be cheaper to fix as opposed to a sealed box (which many are these days). But that's not important. It's just a well built box.

    The front panel however seems to be made of plastic which is finished to look like brushed steel. No biggie but it's something that stood out to me. It does feel like quality plastic but it would likely crack if abused.

    Front Panel:

    Multi ins... These supposedly have the nice Focusrite pres. I was looking for quality pres because I did not want to have to use my old Mackie mixer anymore and everyone says the Focusrite stuff is great. I can't comment on their sound yet but there they are. Two multi ins.

    Beside that are gain knobs for each of the pres and a 48v phantom power button beneath them as well as three LEDs. Two for the inputs (not sure if they change color for clipping or anything yet) and one for the phantom power.

    Beside those is an LCD display for 8 inputs and below that individual LCDs for Power, USB and LKD (I don't know what LKD is yet). The screen is covered with a little pull away screen protector. Everything looks pretty solid.

    Beside that is a Monitor knob which is GREAT. I thought I was going to have to buy a separate unit to control my monitor level but it is built right in. Awesome.

    Beside that is the Headphone level knob and the headphone jack.

    All the knobs are made of plastic but feel reasonably solid and move freely (but not too loose).


    Back Panel:

    There are two solid feeling SPDIF connectors for out/in.

    Beside that the power supply jack (yes this unit uses a power supply. 12V DC 1A).

    Beside that two DIN MIDI connections (in and out). This was important to me because I want to use an old MIDI keyboard as a controller at some point so I needed these connections.

    Beside that is the main USB connector (that connects to the computer). It's a standard square style USB connection you'd find on a printer.

    Beside that is the optical input which you can do all sorts of neat stuff with but to me it's most appealing feature is I can get an expansion device and add a full extra 8 mic pres to the unit (perhaps more). It has a little plastic plug protecting it.

    Beside that there are eight female 1/4" connections. They all feel quite solid and seem to be steel coated in plastic of some sort. The first two are monitor outputs and the remaining six are line level analog inputs (I wanted those in case I need to record a full drum kit or a band. I would just use my mixer to input to these in that situation if I did not have access to an optical expansion unit).


    Aside from that there isn't much else to say about the box. On top it has a nice graphic of the 18i6/Focusrite logos and on the bottom a serial number and the usual electronic compliance code stuff.

    So that's the unit.

    More to come...
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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/13 23:01:25 (permalink)
    Beepster I just took a look at the  Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 that you have and I am impressed. I think you are going to really like it.  I hope you have dual monitors though. LOL

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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/13 23:06:07 (permalink)
    Okay... so this is where things get a little obnoxious.

    Underneath my nice interface is a standard USB cable (square type on one end to connect to the unit and a flat type to connect to the computer). It has filter on it. It is of medium quality. I'll probably replace it at some point though. This is pretty standard however so no complaints on the included USB cable.

    Beside that is a box containing the power adapter. This power adapter is a little... uh... whack.

    First off it is made of pretty crappy feeling plastic and seems to be mostly hollow. Second it has interchangeable plugs for European/US and one of the old phone type jacks (which I think are for older European outlets). I guess that's kind of cool but it came with the big ole European plug preattached. Removing it the crappy plastic build of the adapter becomes even more apparent. I could see that breaking rather easily if I was swapping things out often. Also the cable for the adapter is quite thin and I'm going to have to take some extra precautions to protect it from getting munched.

    Another thing to note is it does NOT have a proper ground pin. I'm not sure how important this is for these types of devices but it concerns me a little as far as extra noise being introduced to the system.

    So yeah... the adapter sucks.

    Now I'm off to find the manual and drivers.

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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/13 23:09:03 (permalink)
    @John... I do indeed have dual monitors (which have actually caused me some grief but I won't go into it just yet as that issue is still being looked at), and I do think I'm going to like this unit very much... despite the cruddy adapter. Hope I'm not boring you guys. Cheers.
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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/13 23:11:39 (permalink)
    You may like this review on the forum under gear. Here.

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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/13 23:15:18 (permalink)
    Beepster


    @John... I do indeed have dual monitors (which have actually caused me some grief but I won't go into it just yet as that issue is still being looked at), and I do think I'm going to like this unit very much... despite the cruddy adapter. Hope I'm not boring you guys. Cheers.
    Good! You will want to have the Mixcontrol open on the other monitor. 


    I wouldn't be upset about the power adapter its the way things are now. Grounding should not be a problem because its low voltage and most likely DC.



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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/13 23:21:32 (permalink)
    Actually I've seen the Cian threads and we even chatted briefly about the device. I learned a lot about the Scarlett series and the issues people were having with them before Focusrite fixed their drivers from those convos. They made me do some more research and contact Focusrite directly to make sure everything was going to work so they indeed help steer me towards the 18i6 in the end. Nice fella.
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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/13 23:27:07 (permalink)
    It is DC. Glad to hear it shouldn't cause any extra noise. That's a real relief actually. It's still a cruddy adapter though. I forgot to mention something however about the fact this device has an adapter. Many devices are USB powered (and my Layla drew power VIA PCI) but there seems to be a lot of talk about that not being ideal for an audio interface. Something about the device being powered VIA USB taking away from the audio data. So now adapters are the shiz. I hate wall warts and extra cables but signal quality and everything running smoothly is obviously more important.
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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/13 23:47:57 (permalink)
    Here is Focusrite's mainpage...

    http://www.focusrite.com/homepage/

    The general downloads page...

    http://www.focusrite.com/downloads/user_guides/

    And the 18i6 downloads page...

    http://www.focusrite.com/downloads/scarlett_18i6/
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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/14 01:06:49 (permalink)
    So anyway I thought I might get further with this tonight but I'm hungry and sleepy (spent too much time typing this up and not enough time doing... lol) so I'll continue tomorrow after I read the manual. This all may seem silly to some of you but I've always found these types of ultra thorough layman's reviews more helpful than a bunch of specs and technobabble. If it helps even one person understand the product a little better then this diatribe will have achieved it's purpose. Plus it helps me take a good solid look at the gear which will hopefully translate into getting the best results possible from it and avoid any problems. Have a good night, guys.
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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/14 01:41:21 (permalink)
    I was thinking of the Scarlett 18i6 (more input choices), over the Quad Capture....ended up with the QC...
    that was during the time that people were still having problems with the Scarlett's drivers...

    I hate fiddling around with drivers, etc...so I got the QC...been rock solid with X1
    :)

    Looking forward to your in depth review of the Scarlett though, Beepster.
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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/14 06:04:59 (permalink)
    turn the damn thing on already!..

    lol, it looks a nice little unit.. hopefully you take advantge of the balanced connections?.. 

    oh..and the Nova Bassstation will surprise you.. the hardware unit is an all time synth classic and i understand the VST is really good.

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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/14 13:36:57 (permalink)
    Okay, I'm awake. Just gotta some tea into me and then we'll see how far I get. Should have some tunes cranking through it by tonight.

    @viscant... The Quad Capture does look quite nice. I think that was the unit Seth recommended to me but it was a little pricier than this one. I believe you can expand the QC via optical cable as well (don't quote me on that though) so it would a good choice for a small studio that may look into becoming a larger studio. And obviously it's a great choice for X1 because it's the same company. Apparently the pres are really nice on it too and it has ultra low latency. I, however, just couldn't afford it. Just from the specs and reviews I'd say you probably got a nicer unit than I did. Cheers.

    @mystic38... lol indeed. I have certainly succumbed to OCD in my old age, especially in regards to reading manuals. I read the manual for my kettle. I even read the manual for my long underwear. I guess I spent so much time GUESSING at what stuff is supposed to do in my life because everything I owned was used that now when I have access to a manual I consider it a luxury. I'm also prone to complete freak outs when something doesn't work properly (which happens often) so it helps keep my blood pressure down. Heheh.

    I will indeed be using balanced cables for my monitors. Made sure to snag some for this set up. I was going to just use my old snakes but they are pretty big and clunky for a small desk set up and they are kind of thin and chincy underneath the shrink tubing so those will stay in retirement.

    It's nice to hear the Basstation software is a desirable plug (I'm assuming it will work as a plugin with X1). I'm all for extra sounds... especially for free. I think I'll have to get into more modern, electronic type music writing to appease the current market if I ever want to make any money. People like my old fart music but it just wouldn't really cut it as far as what people want for commercial music productions. It's also a lot harder to compose and record than this new fangled loopity loop electronic type stuff. That's part of the reason I bought the X1 Suite. That way I just have a whole pile of VSTs to play with. Also if I get too sore or crippled up to play my real instruments I can still write and produce. Cheers.
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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/14 14:14:07 (permalink)
    Here's the list of included items from the manual so you can see more detail on the extra plugs/software that come with the unit...

    Box contents
    In the box there is:
    1 x Scarlett 18i6
    1 x USB cable
    1 x Universal DC power supply unit (PSU).
    1 x Installer CD: Contains combined installer for drivers and Scarlett
    MixControl software for Mac and Windows.
    Scarlett VST, AU and RTAS plug-in Suite for Mac and Windows - includes
    Compressor plug-in
    EQ plug-in
    Gate plug-in
    Reverb plug-in
    4 x Self adhesive rubber feet - to be fitted to the base of Scarlett 18i6
    1 x Registration card
    1 x Xcite+ Bundle - includes:
    Ableton Live LE software
    Bass Station AU and VST synthesiser plug-in with serial number card
    Over a Gigabyte of ‘Loopmasters” and “Mike the Drummer” royalty free samples
    1 x Focusrite and Novation product brochure
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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/14 14:20:39 (permalink)
    Not that I was gonna hook this up to a USB hub anyway but apparently it is advised against. If using a hub you can't use any USB 1.0 devices on the hub because it will force the hub to operate at 1.0 and cause problems with the 18i6. Also if using an external hardrive for loops, plugins or whatever it shouldn't share a hub with the 18i6. Good to know.
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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/14 14:25:30 (permalink)
    The LED labeled "LKD" that I mentioned earlier tells you when the unit is "Locked" to it's internal sync clock or locked to an external clock.
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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/14 14:27:02 (permalink)
    The installer should be run BEFORE connecting the device to the computer.
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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/14 14:29:46 (permalink)
    On a Windows system it will use ASIO drivers. On a Mac it will use Core Audio drivers.
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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/14 14:33:18 (permalink)
    You can use up to 8 channels when using ADAT but this drops to 4 channels when using 88.1khz and 96khz sample rate settings.
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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/14 14:35:03 (permalink)
    The unit will likely need a firmware update when first installed.
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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/14 15:22:43 (permalink)
    Now things are getting interesting. The mixer software is a LOT nicer than my old Echo's software mixer. Tons of control and doohickeys. This part is cool. You can make 6 separate monitor mixes that don't affect the DAW in any way. That way you can have a mix for the engineer and others for the artist(s). So if the artist wants to have certain things turned up or down in their headphones while tracking that can be done while the engineer can monitor things how he wants without having to fiddle with stuff in the DAW or use external hardware (like a headphone mixer). The Focusrite mixer handles it. Also you could have different monitor mixes for various tasks ready to go just by clicking a tab. Not sure how this would be routed yet or how many of these mixes can be playing at once but definitely useful. I'm guessing you would maybe use the main outs as TRS stereo sends (that'd be to separate mixes), the two SPDIF (two more stereo mixes), the headphone jack (one stereo mix) or maybe do it through the optical connection. Perhaps this is common with newer interfaces but I don't think my Layla did this stuff so to me it's pretty nifty.
    EDIT: My mistake. You can have six MONO mixes or three STEREO mixes.
    post edited by Beepster - 2012/06/14 15:29:58
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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/14 15:26:53 (permalink)
    When using a 1/4" cable through the multi in connectors it seems you have to set the inputs to either "line" or "instrument" on the Focusrite mixer console depending on what you were doing. I think my Layla did that automatically but I don't remember ever trying to use those multi ins for line level stuff so I don't know.
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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/14 15:36:44 (permalink)
    I find this a little odd. There doesn't seem to be a way to adjust input levels within the mixer. It has to be done with the knobs on the box, external hardware or with the DAW. The fader only affects the monitor level. I'm guessing this is true of the pan fader as well.
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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/14 16:06:15 (permalink)
    So the routing section is very nice. You'll have to look at the manual yourselves for more detail but everything is right there and easily accessible. With the Layla it was quite confusing and you had to cycle through various screens on the mixer to get at stuff. With this all you have to do is click on what you want to change and select from a dropdown. You can also name your inputs and outputs through various methods. There are three routing presets. "Clear" which just resets everything on the mixer. "DAW Tracking" which sends the DAW outputs directly to the outputs on the 18i6. It says when using this you have to monitor the inputs being recorded into the DAW directly from the DAW. I'm not sure what that means but I assume it's a latency thing. "Zero Latency Tracking" which sends the output from the DAW to one of the monitor mixes instead of directly to the outputs. Tracks being recorded would then be monitored through the Focusrite mixer instead of the DAW or you get the same signal outputted twice. So yeah... that's confusing me a little but I'll figure it out.
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    Re:A complete beginners adventures with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and Sonar X1 2012/06/14 16:40:15 (permalink)
    The monitor control section of the mixer has a whole pile of wacky options for what is and isn't controlled by the big GUI level knob. Tons of stuff I couldn't ever see myself using and I won't try to explain it all but even with all those options it seems very simple to use. At first glance it looks like it only applies to the headphones and main outputs. Again it is all right there on the main screen without having to flip through tabs or menus. It probably changes for each of the mixes that have been created but I can't tell yet from the manual. Someone certainly put a lot of thought into it. Very nice. It says that these settings are independent of the physical monitor/headphone level knobs on the front of the unit so I think this means you'd set the GUI monitor levels and then you can adjust them further with the front panel knobs. I'll mostly be using the front panel knobs to control the headphone and monitor levels.
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