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A couple of questions about Win 7 pro...

I just doubled the memory in my DAW to 24 gigs. Only then I found out that I have Win 7 Home...and to use all 24 gigs I need Win 7 pro. And to top it off the MS "easy upgrade" thingy is no longer available. So my questions are; does any one here have 7 Pro laying around they'd like to sell cheapo (if that is even doable) and/or is doing a complete new install of 7 Pro a major PITA that could do more harm than good? I should say also that I loathed Win 8 and still don't trust Win 10.

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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/09/30 07:19:56 (permalink)
    you probably don't want to hear it, but I'd go win10 pro instead of doing some manual update to some 2nd hand win7 license.
     
    win10 works fine. if you are worried about being spied on, just pull the plug ...

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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/09/30 08:45:29 (permalink)
    Ol pal, I'd give a shout to Jim and see what's doable. I don't think an " in place" upgrade is ever a "good" idea. I assume 7 "recognizes" 16 gigs? Might be enough to "get by" until 10 "shakes" out.
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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/09/30 08:53:59 (permalink)
    OlPal,
     
    Much as I hate to eat crow, win 10, even after the dreaded major update works fine.
     
    It was however days of pure hell getting the upgrade freebie path from win 7. To do over, I'd go with a clean install, but that's just me and the local system. I had major problems with win 8, but 10 is solid and improving.
     
    The only function I've lost is with Adobe Audition. Can't record anything in it. Tried on 3 systems. It does open files and works otherwise. Then the ilock curse failing to automatically start. Otherwise, all software and drivers I use, new and old that worked in 7 are solid in win 10, and actually more stable.
     
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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/09/30 09:31:35 (permalink)
    DeeringAmps
    Ol pal, I'd give a shout to Jim and see what's doable. I don't think an " in place" upgrade is ever a "good" idea. I assume 7 "recognizes" 16 gigs? Might be enough to "get by" until 10 "shakes" out.
    Just my .02 old friend.
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    The "Any Time" upgrade to Win7 Pro would have been super quick/easy.
    In that case, it just unlocks additional features.
     
    If our Ol Pal doesn't want to deal with an OS reinstall (which I'd be happy to help), 16GB would likely be fine.
     
    FWIW, There's no reason to fear Win10.
    I've been running it exclusively for a long time.
    With Pro version, you can insert a registry tweak to prevent automatic download of updates.
    If you have Win10 Home, you can disconnect or disable the LAN/WiFi while working on audio.
    In that case, ET can't phone home.  

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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/09/30 09:53:55 (permalink)
    ^^^ what he said


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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/09/30 10:11:07 (permalink)
    If you're interested in using Win 10, you can still upgrade for free at Microsoft: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade

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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/09/30 10:52:06 (permalink)
    What if my Win 7 isnt totally up to date...will the Win 10 update take care of all that?  Or do I need to do some prep work?
     

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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/09/30 11:07:31 (permalink)
    I'm not sure I qualify for that Win 10 thingy...although I am pretty challenged.
     

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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/09/30 11:21:14 (permalink)
    I'm still on Win 8.1.  It is rock-solid -- way more than Win 7 was.  The sheer hate people have for Win 8.1 is always about its Metro look, and I just don't get it because the free utility Classic Shell solves that problem. 
     
    I've had version 8.1 for a couple years now, and only had to look at Metro for about 2 minutes.  That's how long it took me to download and install Classic Shell.  I accepted the default Windows 7 look, and haven't had to touch it since.
     
    The "front end" looks and acts like Win 7.  There isn't a trace of Metro; I don't even remember what Metro looks like.  Like I said... I don't get the hate.

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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/09/30 11:24:32 (permalink)
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    What if my Win 7 isnt totally up to date...will the Win 10 update take care of all that?  Or do I need to do some prep work?
     


    I think Olpal, Win 7 does need to have the latest updates for this upgrade. I have a home PC with Win 8.1 Pro which I'm planning on upgrading (had a few failed attempts), but will do a clean install of Win 8, update the latest patches, and then upgrade to Win 10. 

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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/09/30 12:42:45 (permalink)
    That's what I was afraid of.  I've tried, over the course of owning this fabulous DAW to update it 3 or 4 times using the Windows updater and everytime it has hung during updating and crashed the system.  Luckily each time I had set a restore point.  I just tried again this morning and the same thing happened.  It's kind of funny...in the dialog of the Win updater there's a little box that says "last update:  Never".  
     
    So, I guess for me it's Win 10 pro full install.  Pooky scared, Daddy!
     

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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/09/30 14:20:52 (permalink)
    Ol Pal,
     
    You can download the install media for Win10 (Home or Pro).
    You can perform an "upgrade" install... making sure not to save or migrate anything.
    This is essentially the same as a clean install of Win10.
    Once finished, you can use Disk Cleanup to remove all remnants of Win7.
    You can do this at any time (no need to update Win7 further).
     
    Of course, you can also just do a clean install of Win10.
    I'm available if you need assistance.
    post edited by Jim Roseberry - 2016/09/30 14:42:54

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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/09/30 14:44:29 (permalink)
    Can I upgrade even though my 7 hasn't been updated?
     

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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/09/30 14:53:29 (permalink)
    Yes, you just need the Win10 install media.
    Not sure you qualify for the free accessibility upgrade to Win10.  
     
    Make sure you have a backup image file of the current install.
    Then, see if the above link will work (for the free Win10 accessibility upgrade).
    If so, proceed with the "upgrade" install... making sure not to save or migrate anything.

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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/09/30 14:56:45 (permalink)
    Jim knows his stuff.....
     
    Sorry if I mislead you Olpal....(when I tried to upgrade to Win 10, I remember it asking me to update to the latest version of 8.1 first).

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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/09/30 15:56:24 (permalink)
    If I backup the entire DAW using Acronis on to my 4 TB drive will that do it? Or do I need to just do the C:Drive onto a separate drive?  Is there a difference between an Acronis backup and an image file?
     

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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/09/30 17:14:28 (permalink)
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    If I backup the entire DAW using Acronis on to my 4 TB drive will that do it? Or do I need to just do the C:Drive onto a separate drive?  Is there a difference between an Acronis backup and an image file?



     
    When you say "C:Drive onto a separate drive", you do mean using Acronis to do so, correct?  Backing out the upgrade might be quite difficult otherwise, I would expect.
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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/09/30 17:22:31 (permalink)
    What I meant was just get a separate external 1 TB drive and backup just the C: drive contents to it.  Right now I back up my entire DAW on to a 4 TB external drive.
     

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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/09/30 18:22:10 (permalink)
    Ol Pal,
     
    As long as there's enough space to write the backup image file (of your boot drive), you're good-to-go.
    You can write the backup image file to any drive other than the drive you're backing up.
    You can then move the backup image file where ever you desire (or leave it on an internal drive).

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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/10/01 11:16:25 (permalink)
    Okey Doakey...Saturday morning and starting my Acronis total DAW backup.  Then it's on to Win10.  Fingers crossed.
     

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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/10/02 13:13:13 (permalink)
    System drive backed up.  Win 10 upgrade downloaded and installing.  Currently at 92%...1 1/2 hours and counting.  Sheesh.  Fingers still crossed.
     

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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/10/02 13:48:56 (permalink)
    You'll be happy when it's all over OP...

    Just don't freak out...it's different, but
    you'll get used to it and never regret it...

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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/10/02 17:26:14 (permalink)
    Looks like my luck is still running as per usual as I appear to be one of a "subset" of users to experience exceedingly slow install which also includes having the install seemingly stuck at 99% (for over an hour now).  So far it's been 6 hours total.  Microsoft says to just let it run so if it doesn't click over soon I'll just let it run overnight and hope for the best.  Dern.
     

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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/10/03 00:37:31 (permalink)
    Damn OP! Sorry your having problems with the new install. Let us know how it turns out.

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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/10/03 01:52:49 (permalink)
    I had to revert back to Windows 7 on an old laptop. Because I am so used to Windows 10 Windows 7 looks old and the start menu is from my view point irritating. I find it far quicker to use the tiles setup the way I want in logical groups to some ancient windows 7 list that in the end requires more mouse clicks. Plus if you have a touch screen windows 7 is a difficult thing to get a program to start.
     
    I really don't understand the ugly comments attached to Windows 10 AU. I find it very pleasant to look at indeed.  

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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/10/03 09:57:36 (permalink)
    Ol Pal,
     
    If the current install doesn't finish, you can download the Install media... and then install (offline).
     

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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/10/03 10:42:49 (permalink)
    I'm pretty sure my download went fine...and didn't take long at all...it was the install that started bogging down at about 70%...all the way to 99%...where, unfortunately, it still is this morning after running all night.  Do I just cancel out of the 99% box and go look for an install "exe" file to run??
     

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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/10/03 11:09:11 (permalink)
    Just shut it down, and restart...it should pick up where it left off...

    If that doesn't work then you may have to reinstall...


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    Re: A couple of questions about Win 7 pro... 2016/10/03 11:12:12 (permalink)
    Hi Ol Pal,
     
    Not sure if you're getting my Email (a couple have bounced back).
     
    I'd stop the process.  There's no way it takes that long.
    If necessary, reload the backup image file of Win7.
    Download the install media for Win10.
    Install Win10 offline.
    Make sure to choose upgrade without keeping or migrating anything.

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