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A feature for those that write string arrangements (MIDI note chase)

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g_randybrown Max Output Level: -40 dBFS Total Posts : 3522 Joined: 2003/12/24 11:30:04 Location: Las Cruces, NM, USA Status: offline 2014/10/06 13:05:08 (permalink) 4.72 (50) A feature for those that write string arrangements (MIDI note chase) Issue example: while writing a moving viola part and there is a long sustained cello note under it. If I stop/start playback the long sustained cello note doesn't play unless I go back to where that note started (as expected of course) so I usually freeze if it's more than a couple of measures long (if I really need to hear it against the viola)...then I invariably have to unfreeze it to work on the cello part more...but it really becomes a pain when working with a full string arrangement each doing different durations. It would be nice to have an option to have that sustained note play when starting after the initial note on signal. I don't even know if it's possible but curious if others might agree? Thanks very much, Randy post edited by g_randybrown - 2015/08/27 12:34:01 G. Randy Brown Windows 10, 64 bit, Platinum Intel Core i7-3770S Asus P8Z77-V LK mobo 4X8GB Corsair XMS3 memory 500 GB Crucial BX100 SSD (OS) two WD Black 1 TB HDD SAPPHIRE DUAL-X 100314-4L Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5 Presonus AudioBox 22VSL youtube.com/crystalclearnm #1 56 Replies Related Threads
scook Forum Host Total Posts : 24146 Joined: 2005/07/27 13:43:57 Location: TX Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2014/10/06 13:46:44 (permalink) +14 (14) This is an interesting idea. It might be possible to have SONAR fake "note on" for anything which has a note event at Now when the transport starts. It may produce some sketchy results though, like what happens with MIDI at the very beginning of a project. #2
stevec Max Output Level: 0 dBFS Total Posts : 11546 Joined: 2003/11/04 15:05:54 Location: Parkesburg, PA Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2014/10/06 14:13:43 (permalink) +6 (6) As long as it's optional, yeah, I could definitely use this! It could be weird hearing the attack of the instrument at a location where it would otherwise not exist, but I figured I'd rather hear that than need to freeze or start playback 10 bars early every time. I wonder how other DAWs handle this... SteveC https://soundcloud.com/steve-cocchi http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=39163 SONAR Platinum x64, Intel Q9300 (2.5Ghz), Asus P5N-D, Win7 x64 SP1, 8GB RAM, 1TB internal + ESATA + USB Backup HDDs, ATI Radeon HD5450 1GB RAM + dual ViewSonic VA2431wm Monitors; Focusrite 18i6 (ASIO); Komplete 9, Melodyne Studio 4, Ozone 7 Advanced, Rapture Pro, GPO5, Valhalla Plate, MJUC comp, MDynamic EQ, lots of other freebie VST plugins, synths and Kontakt libraries #3
g_randybrown Max Output Level: -40 dBFS Total Posts : 3522 Joined: 2003/12/24 11:30:04 Location: Las Cruces, NM, USA Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2014/10/06 14:28:36 (permalink) +2 (2) Agreed, it would have to be optional and something that could be toggled on and off. *I wonder how other DAWs handle this...* I wonder if it's even possible : ) G. Randy Brown Windows 10, 64 bit, Platinum Intel Core i7-3770S Asus P8Z77-V LK mobo 4X8GB Corsair XMS3 memory 500 GB Crucial BX100 SSD (OS) two WD Black 1 TB HDD SAPPHIRE DUAL-X 100314-4L Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5 Presonus AudioBox 22VSL youtube.com/crystalclearnm #4
stevec Max Output Level: 0 dBFS Total Posts : 11546 Joined: 2003/11/04 15:05:54 Location: Parkesburg, PA Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2014/10/06 15:02:40 (permalink) +9 (9) OK, from what I could find in a quick Google search, Logic, Cubase and Studio One apparently have this ability, while SONAR, Live and Reaper do not. Here's Logic's approach for reference: http://support.apple.com/kb/PH13396 Looks like a nice addition for the MIDI preferences section. SteveC https://soundcloud.com/steve-cocchi http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=39163 SONAR Platinum x64, Intel Q9300 (2.5Ghz), Asus P5N-D, Win7 x64 SP1, 8GB RAM, 1TB internal + ESATA + USB Backup HDDs, ATI Radeon HD5450 1GB RAM + dual ViewSonic VA2431wm Monitors; Focusrite 18i6 (ASIO); Komplete 9, Melodyne Studio 4, Ozone 7 Advanced, Rapture Pro, GPO5, Valhalla Plate, MJUC comp, MDynamic EQ, lots of other freebie VST plugins, synths and Kontakt libraries #5
g_randybrown Max Output Level: -40 dBFS Total Posts : 3522 Joined: 2003/12/24 11:30:04 Location: Las Cruces, NM, USA Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2014/10/06 15:14:04 (permalink) +4 (4) stevec OK, from what I could find in a quick Google search, Logic, Cubase and Studio One apparently have this ability, while SONAR, Live and Reaper do not. Here's Logic's approach for reference: http://support.apple.com/kb/PH13396 Looks like a nice addition for the MIDI preferences section. Well hell, the Cakewalk bakers are much smarter than those guys so it shouldn't be a problem right? Thanks VERY much Steve! G. Randy Brown Windows 10, 64 bit, Platinum Intel Core i7-3770S Asus P8Z77-V LK mobo 4X8GB Corsair XMS3 memory 500 GB Crucial BX100 SSD (OS) two WD Black 1 TB HDD SAPPHIRE DUAL-X 100314-4L Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5 Presonus AudioBox 22VSL youtube.com/crystalclearnm #6
stevec Max Output Level: 0 dBFS Total Posts : 11546 Joined: 2003/11/04 15:05:54 Location: Parkesburg, PA Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2014/10/06 16:59:26 (permalink) +3 (3) You're welcome! This is definitely something that would come in very handy for those times when needed. SteveC https://soundcloud.com/steve-cocchi http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=39163 SONAR Platinum x64, Intel Q9300 (2.5Ghz), Asus P5N-D, Win7 x64 SP1, 8GB RAM, 1TB internal + ESATA + USB Backup HDDs, ATI Radeon HD5450 1GB RAM + dual ViewSonic VA2431wm Monitors; Focusrite 18i6 (ASIO); Komplete 9, Melodyne Studio 4, Ozone 7 Advanced, Rapture Pro, GPO5, Valhalla Plate, MJUC comp, MDynamic EQ, lots of other freebie VST plugins, synths and Kontakt libraries #7
Kev999 Max Output Level: -36 dBFS Total Posts : 3922 Joined: 2007/05/01 14:22:54 Location: Victoria, Australia Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2014/10/06 18:37:40 (permalink) +7 (7) This doesn't only apply to string arrangements. Often a synth pad or organ chord can continue over 2 or more bars. Sometimes with a succession of chords containing a common note, I end up splitting the common note into several bar-length notes rather than one long one, just to avoid having to play the section from the beginning every time. I would therefore welcome this proposed feature. SonarPlatinum∞(22.11.0.111)\|Mixbus32C(4.3.19)\|DigitalPerformer(9.5.1)\|Reaper(5.77) FractalDesign:DefineR5\|i7-6850k@4.1GHz\|16GB@2666MHz-DDR4\|MSI:GamingProCarbonX99a\|Matrox:M9148(x2)\|UAD2solo(6.5.2)\|W7Ult-x64-SP1 Audient:iD22+ASP800\|KRK:VXT6\|+various-outboard-gear\|+guitars&basses, etc. Having fun at work lately #8
golophei Max Output Level: -90 dBFS Total Posts : 28 Joined: 2008/04/28 20:22:18 Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2014/10/06 22:50:30 (permalink) +2 (2) This is a good suggestion. I often deal with the same issue because I also write a lot of string ensemble. #9
Greeny Max Output Level: -87 dBFS Total Posts : 181 Joined: 2014/09/26 11:55:12 Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2014/10/07 00:50:34 (permalink) +2 (2) +1 for this, would be a nice option. I use alot of pads and always think it would be nice to have. #10
dede Max Output Level: -68 dBFS Total Posts : 1124 Joined: 2007/07/03 05:29:44 Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2014/10/09 04:36:51 (permalink) +2 (2) +1 definitely D.D. www.dedeland.com SONAR Platinum 64bit SONAR X3e both 32bit and 64bit Alpha Track + TouchDaw ASUS Maximus Hero VII (Chipset Intel Z170 Express) Intel Core i7-4790k @ 4.00 GHZ/RAM 16Go RME Fireface UC Win 7 x64 ultimate French Sonar running in English #11
Karyn Ma-Ma Total Posts : 9200 Joined: 2009/01/30 08:03:10 Location: Lincoln, England. Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2014/10/09 09:28:45 (permalink) +2 (2) stevec As long as it's optional, yeah, I could definitely use this! It could be weird hearing the attack of the instrument at a location where it would otherwise not exist, but I figured I'd rather hear that than need to freeze or start playback 10 bars early every time. It would sound no different to a real life orchestra starting playing at a random bar number during rehearsal.. Mekashi Futo. Get 10% off all Waves plugins. Current DAW. i7-950, Gigabyte EX58-UD5, 12Gb RAM, 1Tb SSD, 2x2Tb HDD, nVidia GTX 260, Antec 1000W psu, Win7 64bit, Studio 192, Digimax FS, KRK RP8G2, Sonar Platinum #12
Karyn Ma-Ma Total Posts : 9200 Joined: 2009/01/30 08:03:10 Location: Lincoln, England. Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2014/10/09 09:40:52 (permalink) +1 (1) g_randybrown Agreed, it would have to be optional and something that could be toggled on and off. *I wonder how other DAWs handle this...* I wonder if it's even possible : ) You keep a list at the start of each bar of all the notes that should still be playing from the previous bar. That way where ever you start playback, it can track notes from the start of the nearest bar to determine what should be playing at the "nowtime" where you hit play. I'm not saying that's how other DAWs do it, but it's not difficult to implement. Mekashi Futo. Get 10% off all Waves plugins. Current DAW. i7-950, Gigabyte EX58-UD5, 12Gb RAM, 1Tb SSD, 2x2Tb HDD, nVidia GTX 260, Antec 1000W psu, Win7 64bit, Studio 192, Digimax FS, KRK RP8G2, Sonar Platinum #13
stevec Max Output Level: 0 dBFS Total Posts : 11546 Joined: 2003/11/04 15:05:54 Location: Parkesburg, PA Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2014/10/09 11:42:19 (permalink) +1 (1) Karyn It would sound no different to a real life orchestra starting playing at a random bar number during rehearsal.. Yeah, that does make sense. Not that I've heard too many orchestras rehearsing. SteveC https://soundcloud.com/steve-cocchi http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=39163 SONAR Platinum x64, Intel Q9300 (2.5Ghz), Asus P5N-D, Win7 x64 SP1, 8GB RAM, 1TB internal + ESATA + USB Backup HDDs, ATI Radeon HD5450 1GB RAM + dual ViewSonic VA2431wm Monitors; Focusrite 18i6 (ASIO); Komplete 9, Melodyne Studio 4, Ozone 7 Advanced, Rapture Pro, GPO5, Valhalla Plate, MJUC comp, MDynamic EQ, lots of other freebie VST plugins, synths and Kontakt libraries #14
sharke Max Output Level: 0 dBFS Total Posts : 13933 Joined: 2012/08/03 00:13:00 Location: NYC Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2014/10/09 15:28:12 (permalink) +1 (1) Karyn stevec As long as it's optional, yeah, I could definitely use this! It could be weird hearing the attack of the instrument at a location where it would otherwise not exist, but I figured I'd rather hear that than need to freeze or start playback 10 bars early every time. It would sound no different to a real life orchestra starting playing at a random bar number during rehearsal.. Except that real players can start mid-note with a soft attack if necessary, whereas the DAW would start the note with the original attack (unless the feature was programmed to use a soft attack if starting mid-note). This might be a problem if it's a brass part with an explosive attack followed by a swell, for instance. James Windows 10, Sonar SPlat (64-bit), Intel i7-4930K, 32GB RAM, RME Babyface, AKAI MPK Mini, Roland A-800 Pro, Focusrite VRM Box, Komplete 10 Ultimate, 2012 American Telecaster! #15
MondoArt Max Output Level: -86 dBFS Total Posts : 226 Joined: 2011/11/29 18:51:10 Location: Toronto Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2014/10/09 15:40:11 (permalink) +1 (1) This would be great to have. It also works the other way, where if the sustain pedal is on and I stop playback, the sound continues. Neel Songwriter/Producer neelmodi.com Sonar Platinum \| Intel i5 \| Windows 10 Home \| Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 \| Akai Advance 61 \| NI Komplete 10 #16
wizard71 Max Output Level: -74 dBFS Total Posts : 836 Joined: 2012/02/12 05:45:05 Location: UK Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2014/10/15 17:02:43 (permalink) +1 (1) This would be very useful indeed when writing. http://www.youtube.com/SpaceTimeAces https://soundcloud.com/space-time-aces Sonar Platinum - Win 8.1 x64 - Haswell 4770k - ASrock Z87 pro3 - 32gb ram - Fractal design R4 case - 3x HDD 1 USB 2.0 external 1x cr M4 ssd for samples - Octa-capture - Sontronics Aria - Sontronics STC-1s - BX8 monitors - ARC 2 system - Kawai CA63 piano - Kawai MP6 Stage piano - Fender custom Telecaster FMT - Yamaha LL6 - Fender P bass #17
Jon Bryson Max Output Level: -83 dBFS Total Posts : 377 Joined: 2003/11/12 17:29:47 Location: Albuquerque, NM Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2014/10/16 16:36:35 (permalink) +1 (1) Just saw this, I would love to have this option! #18
mettelus Max Output Level: -22 dBFS Total Posts : 5321 Joined: 2005/08/05 03:19:25 Location: Maryland, USA Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2014/10/16 18:06:44 (permalink) +1 (1) +1 for this option. I agree with scook on adverse side effects for certain situations (such as synths), but this option definitely has a use. ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero (Wi-Fi AC), i7-8700k, 16GB RAM, GTX-1070Ti, Win 10 Pro, Saffire PRO 24 DSP, A-300 PRO, plus numerous gadgets and gizmos that make or manipulate sound in some way. #19
g_randybrown Max Output Level: -40 dBFS Total Posts : 3522 Joined: 2003/12/24 11:30:04 Location: Las Cruces, NM, USA Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2014/10/16 18:10:40 (permalink) +1 (1) Don't forget to rate it y'all...there's only 8 G. Randy Brown Windows 10, 64 bit, Platinum Intel Core i7-3770S Asus P8Z77-V LK mobo 4X8GB Corsair XMS3 memory 500 GB Crucial BX100 SSD (OS) two WD Black 1 TB HDD SAPPHIRE DUAL-X 100314-4L Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5 Presonus AudioBox 22VSL youtube.com/crystalclearnm #20
mettelus Max Output Level: -22 dBFS Total Posts : 5321 Joined: 2005/08/05 03:19:25 Location: Maryland, USA Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2014/10/17 02:25:41 (permalink) +1 (1) LOL... I am on my phone a lot, and cannot rate on that. Thank you for the heads up! Are we supposed to rate each response or just the OP? ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero (Wi-Fi AC), i7-8700k, 16GB RAM, GTX-1070Ti, Win 10 Pro, Saffire PRO 24 DSP, A-300 PRO, plus numerous gadgets and gizmos that make or manipulate sound in some way. #21
g_randybrown Max Output Level: -40 dBFS Total Posts : 3522 Joined: 2003/12/24 11:30:04 Location: Las Cruces, NM, USA Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2014/10/17 08:16:17 (permalink) +2 (2) mettelus LOL... I am on my phone a lot, and cannot rate on that. Thank you for the heads up! Are we supposed to rate each response or just the OP? This is new for me too but I think you rate the OP and can give a thumbs up or thumbs down to any of the posts/comments. Thanks everyone, Randy G. Randy Brown Windows 10, 64 bit, Platinum Intel Core i7-3770S Asus P8Z77-V LK mobo 4X8GB Corsair XMS3 memory 500 GB Crucial BX100 SSD (OS) two WD Black 1 TB HDD SAPPHIRE DUAL-X 100314-4L Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5 Presonus AudioBox 22VSL youtube.com/crystalclearnm #22
stevec Max Output Level: 0 dBFS Total Posts : 11546 Joined: 2003/11/04 15:05:54 Location: Parkesburg, PA Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2014/10/17 10:08:19 (permalink) +1 (1) Yup, just thumbed up your post. SteveC https://soundcloud.com/steve-cocchi http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=39163 SONAR Platinum x64, Intel Q9300 (2.5Ghz), Asus P5N-D, Win7 x64 SP1, 8GB RAM, 1TB internal + ESATA + USB Backup HDDs, ATI Radeon HD5450 1GB RAM + dual ViewSonic VA2431wm Monitors; Focusrite 18i6 (ASIO); Komplete 9, Melodyne Studio 4, Ozone 7 Advanced, Rapture Pro, GPO5, Valhalla Plate, MJUC comp, MDynamic EQ, lots of other freebie VST plugins, synths and Kontakt libraries #23
RogerH Max Output Level: -78 dBFS Total Posts : 608 Joined: 2007/09/10 17:50:07 Location: Norway Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2014/10/30 02:33:38 (permalink) +1 (1) stevec OK, from what I could find in a quick Google search, Logic, Cubase and Studio One apparently have this ability, while SONAR, Live and Reaper do not. Here's Logic's approach for reference: http://support.apple.com/kb/PH13396 Looks like a nice addition for the MIDI preferences section. Reaper do have this feature. And I believe Pro Tools also have it. Really hope we can get it in Sonar! A song from my band: Terramater My soundcloud page Sonar Platinum Windows 7 Professional (SP1) 64Bit Intel Core i7 Quad Processor i7-2600K 3,4GHz MSI P67A-C45 (MOBO) Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600MHz 8GB CL9 (2x4GB) Seagate Barracuda® 7200.12 1TB Seagate Barracuda® XT 2TB [font="arial, sans-se #24
Vastman Max Output Level: -50 dBFS Total Posts : 2508 Joined: 2006/08/30 02:49:18 Location: Oakland, CA Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2014/10/31 22:56:25 (permalink) +1 (1) Yea! +1 I definitely want this! Dana We make the future... Climate Change Music VastMaschine:SP4L/W10/i74930K/32GB/RME/CAD E100s; The Orchestra! NOVO!/Inspire/BohemianViolin&Cello, ARK1&2,/MinimalCapriccioMaximoSoto/OE1&2, Action&Emotive/Omni2/Tril/RMX/All OrangeTree/Falcon/APE Jugs/Alpha&Bravo/BFD3 & SD3 Gravity/DM307/AEON/DM/Damage/Diva/HZebra/Hive/Diversion/VC4/Serum/Alchemy/blablabla Spitfire/8DIO/SL/KH/EW/NI; Shred1&2/AGF,G,M&T Torch&Res&Ren/GD-6; Ibanez SR1200&SR505 NOVAX FanFret Tele&Strat #25
ftvessen Max Output Level: -90 dBFS Total Posts : 3 Joined: 2015/01/22 15:51:23 Location: Collendoorn, The Netherlands Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2015/02/08 12:21:25 (permalink) +1 (1) +1 I am new to Sonar and was very surprised this wasn't an option... I do a lot of string arranging and this is a must to be able to work fast. Samplitude, Protools, Studio One, Logic, Cubase, they all have this as an option... Yes, it should be optional because it can be annoying in other scenarios, but for my workflow it is essential... #26
Bristol_Jonesey Max Output Level: 0 dBFS Total Posts : 16775 Joined: 2007/10/08 15:41:17 Location: Bristol, UK Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2015/02/08 14:21:36 (permalink) 0 Yes, add me to the list. CbB, Platinum, 64 bit throughout Custom built i7 3930, 32Gb RAM, 2 x 1Tb Internal HDD, 1 x 1TB system SSD (Win 7), 1 x 500Gb system SSD (Win 10), 2 x 1Tb External HDD's, Dual boot Win 7 & Win 10 64 Bit, Saffire Pro 26, ISA One, Adam P11A, #27
Genius Animus Max Output Level: -90 dBFS Total Posts : 41 Joined: 2015/01/26 01:58:11 Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2015/02/08 15:55:42 (permalink) 0 I don't know what this is about, but if all these reputable people are vouching for it then i must +1! #28
g_randybrown Max Output Level: -40 dBFS Total Posts : 3522 Joined: 2003/12/24 11:30:04 Location: Las Cruces, NM, USA Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2015/02/08 16:20:09 (permalink) 0 Genius Animus I don't know what this is about, but if all these reputable people are vouching for it then i must +1! Thanks Genius...if you want, you can rate it as to how important you think it is by clicking on one of the 5 stars in the OP. Thanks again, Randy G. Randy Brown Windows 10, 64 bit, Platinum Intel Core i7-3770S Asus P8Z77-V LK mobo 4X8GB Corsair XMS3 memory 500 GB Crucial BX100 SSD (OS) two WD Black 1 TB HDD SAPPHIRE DUAL-X 100314-4L Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5 Presonus AudioBox 22VSL youtube.com/crystalclearnm #29
mdages Max Output Level: -88 dBFS Total Posts : 139 Joined: 2014/08/26 11:14:22 Location: Germany, Karlsruhe Status: offline Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2015/02/09 11:09:11 (permalink) 0 +1 I think it's not a really easy task to make this as realistic as possible. Only to trigger a note-on event could fail on longer evolving sounds. But maybe better as nothing. music is just a sequence of sounds... Sonar Platinum -> R.I.P (Shame on Gibson) Cubase Pro 9.5 Windows 10 x64 German Core i7, 12GB RAM - 5 TB HDD/SSD Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 Studiologic Acuna 88 VSL VE-Pro with windows slave computers #30