A feature for those that write string arrangements (MIDI note chase)

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Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2015/02/09 11:14:18 (permalink)
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I think it's not a really easy task to make this as realistic as possible.
Only to trigger a note-on event could fail on longer evolving sounds. But maybe better as nothing.
 
 
 


Yessir, that point was brought up earlier and could have undesirable results with some patches (like an evolving sound) which is why it would have to have the option to toggle on and off somewhere.

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Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2015/02/10 02:51:21 (permalink)
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Yes, a great idea Randy.
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Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2015/02/12 23:12:25 (permalink)
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This is commonly called note chasing, and it would be a very welcomed by me in Sonar.  Hope it's considered.
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Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2015/02/12 23:34:17 (permalink)
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Thanks guys...and if I may remind you again to please rate it (if you haven't already) because that is probably the only thing the bakers have time to really look at...especially considering how hard they must be working on all the new stuff to prove the value of this new model.

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Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2015/02/13 11:35:23 (permalink)
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If I stop/start playback the long sustained cello note doesn't play unless I go back to where that note started (as expected of course) 



Not meaning to de-rail your feature request, but I use the Scrub tool [J] in the PRV for this. Anywhere I click with the mouse, any note that is sustaining across that position will sound, even if the note down started way off to the left.
 
It's not quite the same as playing back, I agree. But I've never felt the need to change how the PLayback works, because the Scrub in the PRV works great. 
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Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2015/02/13 13:05:02 (permalink)
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because the Scrub in the PRV works great. 
Agreed, I sometimes use the scrub tool but when part writing you would have to select scrub tool to hear it and then switch back to the smart tool and then what...hum that note?
Like I've said, this is not an option that would be useful to everyone but a big help for others...with all due respect I don't consider your workaround a workaround because what I do now is just select the sustained note and hum it while drawing in other parts.
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Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2015/02/16 02:07:42 (permalink)
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My workaround is annoying, but I have to do it when I'm working on concurrent parts that require me listening to the harmony. I'll just cut that long note short and start it again at the point that I need to hear it. Then, once the other part(s) are written I'll go back to the long note and make it the correct length again. 

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Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2015/02/16 04:23:44 (permalink)
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I'm not saying that's how other DAWs do it,  but it's not difficult to implement.




I thought it was part of chase back, that is for controllers and stuff.
So an option to include notes also - all for it.
 
EDIT: Seems Sonar call it Searchback before play starts.
Just add an option to include notes in search.
post edited by lfm - 2015/02/16 05:07:28
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Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2015/06/04 08:47:16 (permalink)
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Hey Randy, I just sorted all existing FR threads by number of ratings in descending order and found this thread, whose title seemed not very relevant to me (I admit I've seen it bumped a few times but never taken a look inside). 
But, to my surprise, it was the feature I liked in Studio One and have been wanting in Sonar as well! 
 
BTW, since the Bakers OFTEN CONSIDER ADDING it, I'd say it's very likely to be implemented.  
 
(Will vote just now......although as many as 28 people have already voted)
 
 
post edited by icontakt - 2015/06/04 08:56:02

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Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2015/06/04 11:06:11 (permalink)
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BTW, since the Bakers OFTEN CONSIDER ADDING it, I'd say it's very likely to be implemented.
I never saw that thread before now...I do hope you're right in that it will be implemented before long.
Thanks for the vote and bump Tak!

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Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2015/08/27 11:46:18 (permalink)
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I'd like to pile onto this.
 
Freezing can be useful, but freezing just isn't a practical approach when working with multi-out virtual instruments like Kontakt, since freezing one channel means freezing them all.
 
As an aside - would the OP or a mod mind changing the title of this post to "MIDI Note chase" or some such so people can tell from the subject what it's about? I think that might help get more votes.
 
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Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2015/08/27 12:28:00 (permalink)
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Good idea, thanks for the suggestion...I had never even heard of the term before this thread.
Thanks again,
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Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2015/10/14 16:25:31 (permalink)
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I would like this feature as well. +1 on my end!

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Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2015/10/14 18:39:57 (permalink)
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Well ... Even primitive DAW-s such is ACID or REAPER have this "chase" function. Actually, this is one of the most important functions when you use midi ... It might be fixed asap. 
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Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2015/10/14 18:42:51 (permalink)
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OK, from what I could find in a quick Google search, Logic, Cubase and Studio One apparently have this ability, while SONAR, Live and Reaper do not.  Here's Logic's approach for reference:
 
Looks like a nice addition for the MIDI preferences section.  
 


Nuendo dont have this function. ProTools got it ?????
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Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2015/10/15 17:49:12 (permalink)
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I would like to see this feature implemented.
IMO it would definitely need an option to toggle on/off.
(I have no experience with orchestrations but can imagine that in a situation where you use a lot of short loops and copy/pasting this might lead to problem with "missing notes" whith non quantized notes starting a few ticks before absolute measures....you'd hear them before on playback and if you're not zoomed in far enough it might look as if the note is included in the selection, but it would not be there after pasting/creating grooveclip etc.)
 
 -> Should there be some sort of warning function implemented as well?
I.e. when you copy a selection containing a note-t(r)ail? What to do with that note that started outside of the selection. Maybe giving the option to include the note in the paste??

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Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2015/10/16 16:13:50 (permalink)
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I would like to see this feature implemented.
IMO it would definitely need an option to toggle on/off.
(I have no experience with orchestrations but can imagine that in a situation where you use a lot of short loops and copy/pasting this might lead to problem with "missing notes" whith non quantized notes starting a few ticks before absolute measures....you'd hear them before on playback and if you're not zoomed in far enough it might look as if the note is included in the selection, but it would not be there after pasting/creating grooveclip etc.)
 
 -> Should there be some sort of warning function implemented as well?
I.e. when you copy a selection containing a note-t(r)ail? What to do with that note that started outside of the selection. Maybe giving the option to include the note in the paste??


Maybe sonar has this option (i didnot searched that) But anyways, you are forced to make some more "moves an clicks" and thats real asspain
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Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2015/11/03 10:36:22 (permalink)
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One of the few things about Cubase I miss in Sonar. Hope it gets added soon.
 
Might I suggest changing the title of the original post to summarize the feature, not the use case?
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Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements (MIDI note chase) 2015/11/16 09:21:42 (permalink)
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I was working on some ambient drone pieces earlier this month. Often they include single notes that go on for several minutes, which I want to have playing while I layer other things on top. I could REALLY have done with this feature then.

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Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2016/05/21 04:58:28 (permalink)
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MIDI notes not playing in the middle of the note or chords 2016/06/24 23:11:12 (permalink)
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It is very annoying to have to scroll to beginning of long notes, chords in MIDI to hear them.
Please add ability to listen to notes without having have to start from the beginning of the note.
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Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2016/09/09 23:09:58 (permalink)
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This is usually called 'Chase MIDI note'. It is sort of a fake note on event, and definitely an important feature to have.
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Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2016/09/10 06:38:00 (permalink)
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I would like to point out that Live Synth Record feature (implemented in SPlat Jamaica Plain update I believe) can offer a viable workaround without the Midi Note Chase option being available.
 
In just about as many clicks as it would take to toggle Midi Note Chase on or off in some dialog or in the PRV window as a button or drop down selection, you can simply arm-record any synth track while you're performing.  After you've performed (you can record the midi and the audio simultaneously), I just go right-click on the Synth module in the Rack browser, and disable it until I need to come back and modulate or edit the midi performance.  At this point I can either delete the clip of the synth recording if I don't want it anymore, or maybe move it to an empty audio track and keep it for layering purposes. (Especially handy with drone work).  Right-click and re-enable the synth to make it "live" again.

I have been using this feature for quick string part iteration, and in fact find this method works great especially when working with Kontakt 5 whether as a multi-out or single stereo out:
EX:
  • I prefer writing divisi lines for each string group with LA Scoring Strings 2.  I prefer to use custom multi's I've saved out which have midi tracks for every articulation of a given string group (Violins 1A etc..), and make a separate instance of Kontakt 5 for each instrument group/divisi group. 
  • I don't use the ARC tool, and instead make up to 16 midi tracks each feeding a midi channel.  Every articulation is in the same descending order (ie: Legato, Sordino, Staccato, Spicccato, etc..) across every instance and assigned to their respective midi channel.
  • I've even saved out Track Templates with and without bus/group routing for even quicker recall of these setups or entire library if I want.
Once I've recalled one of these templates, I'll develop one divisi line.  After I've got a decent passage at least a few measures, I'll record it if I start hearing something else I want another instrument group to do "vertically" around it.  I then quickly arm the synth's audio track, and record the passage.

At that point I'll disable it so it doesn't play OVER the recorded audio clip (doubling volume), and enable the next instance I want to work with.  I may have 16-20 instances of Kontakt 5 loaded this way, but I have my templates set up so that they get imported as "disabled" by default, and then I can just right-click on any synth and re-enable for quicker loading and without killing my RAM (can quickly bog down a session or require higher ASIO sample buffer latency), thus killing the vibe and losing real-time playability.

Midi-Note-Chase implementation would be great but i'm so used to this workflow, I would probably forget about it or use it sparingly in a hybrid use of the scenario mentioned above.  Still a great feature to have the option of using!  +1
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Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2016/09/19 11:31:25 (permalink)
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This feature would be extremely useful for orchestral composition where you will have key switched articulations.
 
Playing back without note chase means I have to ensure that key switches are written every couple of bars or so in order to trigger the correct artic.
 
In a complex piece, this can mean many hundreds of additional notes have to be written, simply to ensure that what I've written is played back correctly.

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Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements 2016/09/20 03:07:37 (permalink)
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Chase Feature for Midi Events 2016/10/16 11:31:48 (permalink)
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I produce ambient compositions using midi where there are a number of very long sustained notes. Currently, Sonar only plays a midi note when playback starts before the beginning of the event. When I make a change in a particular section and want hear how it sounds I have to start playback sometimes quite far back to make sure I hear all of the notes. If Sonar had a "chase" feature for midi events where it looked at the notes under the cursor, obtained the midi information, then started playback of all the notes from the cursor position (whether or not it was before the events' beginning) it would make the process of editing and monitoring the result much more efficient. Cubase has this feature and for what I do the workflow is much better in this respect than with Sonar.
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Re: A feature for those that write string arrangements (MIDI note chase) 2016/10/16 11:54:41 (permalink)
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