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2018/01/02 16:14:59 (permalink)

A plea for changes to piano scroll view

I bought sonar platinum and I have lingering issues that go back over a decade. I am crying as I write this message. I will pay $1000 to see it fulfilled. I am dead serious. I will pay whatever amount you deem fair to see it fulfilled. 

I don't want to have to download an app like duckbar just to get what i want.

Simply put, I want to be able to copy across tracks while I am in Piano Roll View. This means that if i select/highlight notes from track X in PRV, i want to select another track (track A,B,C....Z etc.) in PRV and click+ ctrl +drag the notes I have selected to copy those notes from track Z into tracks A-Z that i have selected. This helps me to double parts or copy note values into other tracks on the fly without having to do any additional steps other than select the track I want to copy notes and values I have selected into. As it is now, when i click or select the notes i want to copy into tracks A-Z, it highlights the track that those notes belong to on the right track list pane. This is not what I want. I want to be able to stay locked into that track despite whatever other notes I click that belong to different tracks.

The "smart" tool. I don't want to click and drag to write my notes in PRV! I just want to click and viola! I have my note. I also would like to be able to highlight my notes by clicking and dragging over notes with the smart tool. It can all be possible with the smart tool, but for whatever reason, we are not allowed to tweak it. Id also like to right click over notes to delete them.

I do not want to have to use the keyboard to switch functions as i am unnecessarily forced to do. I do not want to switch views to manipulate notes as I want to. I get so jumbled up doing these tedious extra steps that i forget the notes im trying to write out on the fly because i spent too much time jumbling about!

Cakewalk has failed to differentiate for us for the past 10 years. They had it right with Sonar 2. Even Cakewalk 8!! I have spent alot of money on this product and it is the best thing out there, but it is not perfect. I really hope one day my simple requests will be fulfilled. 10 years is a long time. Please help.

If I am not clear, here is a video. https://youtu.be/rjSobfgi8bk

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Daniel DeCastro.

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Re: A plea for changes to piano scroll view 2018/01/02 16:18:00 (permalink)
Sorry to break the bad news, but Cakewalk has ceased trading. Sonar is no longer in development or for sale. Better  try some demos of different DAWs and see if any suit you better.

 
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Re: A plea for changes to piano scroll view 2018/01/02 16:18:50 (permalink)
Did you miss the memo?  Gibson has stopped all development of SONAR.  You'd have to up the ante and buy the software code from Gibson, but then you could add anything you want.
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Re: A plea for changes to piano scroll view 2018/01/02 16:35:35 (permalink)
No ****ing way...
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Re: A plea for changes to piano scroll view 2018/01/02 16:38:36 (permalink)

 
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Re: A plea for changes to piano scroll view 2018/01/02 16:42:04 (permalink)
****... How did I miss that...
I can't believe it. What other daw could possibly come close??
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Re: A plea for changes to piano scroll view 2018/01/02 16:47:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Ionian 2018/01/05 19:55:27
All of them come close.

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Re: A plea for changes to piano scroll view 2018/01/02 17:03:31 (permalink)
Yeah? What Daw has a piano scroll view where you can see all the tracks at once and in different colors for each instrument?
 
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Re: A plea for changes to piano scroll view 2018/01/02 18:01:36 (permalink)
This is the pit of misery. All you will hear are the echos of your own (and others) cries.
If you're lucky, someone will bring some bud lite down.
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Re: A plea for changes to piano scroll view 2018/01/02 18:05:14 (permalink)
I don't mean to be stupid, but can't you do this in sonar prv? Maybe not explicitly drag and drop but darn close.

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Re: A plea for changes to piano scroll view 2018/01/02 18:28:19 (permalink)
Not the way that is optimally possible, gswitz.. see my video and you will see the flaw.
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Re: A plea for changes to piano scroll view 2018/01/02 18:42:14 (permalink)
I really don't understand your problem with the smart tool. It seems that it already does the things you want. You can click to create notes in the PRV, you just have to hold down ALT as you click. If you don't want to hold down ALT, you can double click.  You can click-drag over an area of notes to lasso those notes. You can right click on notes with the smart tool to delete them. 
 
Also, you might want to consider that perhaps crying over stuff like this is a little melodramatic. 

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Re: A plea for changes to piano scroll view 2018/01/02 18:55:44 (permalink)
I'm not an expert on this and do not have time to dig deeply into it right now to check it out against your video but in my cursory explorations I was quite pleasantly surprised by Reaper's functionality in this regard. It seemed to me that, with the PRV edit window open (whatever it's called in Reaper), I could select tracks to display, see one or more or all, in different colours, select notes from multiple tracks or takes or only one, and edit as I pleased. The smart tool is maybe not quite as fully implemented as in Sonar but it seemed I could do a lot of the same things, and in many ways I liked it better. I'll have a quick peek at it now to see if it still strikes me the same way...

Hmm. I'm not sure it does exactly what you want in exactly the way you might want it done, but I can definitely select notes from one track and paste then into another track, wherever I like, all from within the midi editor, without closing it to change tracks. I can see and select notes from multiple tracks, move or copy them, pretty much whatever I like. You'll have to check it out for yourself to see if it's what you want but it's pretty flexible, and Reaper is an astonishing powerful DAW, way beyond what I was expecting based on what I saw when I last checked it out a few years ago. Not everyone's cup of tea I guess but I've been pretty blown away by it.

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Re: A plea for changes to piano scroll view 2018/01/02 19:01:15 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby stratman70 2018/01/02 23:19:02
Your problems stem from your refusal to adapt to new tools.
Your using an older version of Cakewalk Sonar Platinum. the PRV was updated 4 months ago and included a lot of extra/new features.
 
If you cant get used to using CNTRL+C / CNTRL+V then there is really no help for you in any DAW.
I don't mean to sound negative but it is a must to learn how to adapt Vs. refusing to learn new tricks.

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Re: A plea for changes to piano scroll view 2018/01/02 19:41:47 (permalink)
I will look into reaper, thanks for sharing. I stand by the record. I will make another video to explain why, since it is still not clear to some people, how clumsy the system is. Apparently, to my surprise, it's still not clear. To me it is crystal clear. There were flaws, we should not be asked to just "adapt", this is nonsense. A software should aim to be well differentiated and of quality to support multiple intelligences. This is the ethical thing to do, and to be honest, the change I propose is quite simple.
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Re: A plea for changes to piano scroll view 2018/01/02 19:44:52 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2018/01/02 21:18:12
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I will look into reaper, thanks for sharing. I stand by the record. I will make another video to explain why, since it is still not clear to some people, how clumsy the system is. Apparently, to my surprise, it's still not clear. To me it is crystal clear. There were flaws, we should not be asked to just "adapt", this is nonsense. A software should aim to be well differentiated and of quality to support multiple intelligences. This is the ethical thing to do, and to be honest, the change I propose is quite simple.



You don't seem to understand that there will not be ANY change, development is over! Whatever you "propose" is completely irrelevant!
 
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Re: A plea for changes to piano scroll view 2018/01/02 19:58:06 (permalink)
This task I find very easy with the new PRV.
Say I have a Bass track perfect,  but the Piano and Kick are not following timing and /or picth perfectly with the bass. 
In PRV open the Bass part, Now hold CTRL open the Kick track. 
You will still see the bass part ghosted and you can now line up the kick with the Bass
Now Open the Piano part and move the piano's low notes to match the bass part or what ever. 
I could not live without this function anymore and even HOme Studio now works thia way. 

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Re: A plea for changes to piano scroll view 2018/01/02 20:28:14 (permalink)
Eikel, I obviously am aware that its not in production anymore. I am merely addressing YOUR points.
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Re: A plea for changes to piano scroll view 2018/01/02 20:32:07 (permalink)
Cactus, very nice that the software helps you in this way, unfortunately, it is something I have never needed to use. However, I am happy the feature was added to accomodate people who do things as you do. Sadly, I was not listened to, and now it is too late. I hope reaper will be a good alternative. I am looking into reaper and cubase now.
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Re: A plea for changes to piano scroll view 2018/01/02 21:20:39 (permalink)
Reaper Cubase and even Studio one are great DAWs but I find (as far as midi goes/working with Midi) Sonar was the best. This includes working with multiple tracks in one piano roll instance.
You need to have selection on a midi instance in order to use copy/paste. meaning you must have selection and not just focus.
 
There are many ways to do what you want without much effort at all.
May I ask why you are not using the latest version of sonar (I see the Command Center nag screen/toast pop up in your video.

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Re: A plea for changes to piano scroll view 2018/01/02 22:27:36 (permalink)
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All of them come close.



This statement is so diabolically untrue, it's not funny.....  unless all you need is a DAW that is little more than a glorified tape recorder...

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Re: A plea for changes to piano scroll view 2018/01/02 22:47:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Ionian 2018/01/05 19:57:55
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All of them come close.



This statement is so diabolically untrue, it's not funny.....  unless all you need is a DAW that is little more than a glorified tape recorder...




Actually it is very true. Ironically enough, I find Sonar to be "little more than a glorified tape recorder," in that using the program as such is pretty much the only way to avoid many of the catastrophic bugs and stability issues that wreck your creativity and workflow when trying to wield large, complex projects in the thing. There are DAW's that are smoother, more stable, less buggy and every bit as capable as Sonar. 

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Re: A plea for changes to piano scroll view 2018/01/02 23:28:52 (permalink)
I thought I described exactly what you wanted to do just a different approch  instead of copying the note, you just draw it over the ghosted note of the original. You can quickly deal with as many tracks as you like. It takes seconds to do this if you get in the groove, just like any task on a computer, practice makes things go fast..  This also gives me the option of drawing the notes as different values or even splittting a 1/4 note into two 1/8 notes for a certain instrument. The smart tool is brilliant for this and using snap and note value settings etc you get what you are asking for no problem.
Fact is that usingany software is it rarely will do things the way you think it's should, so we adapt to how the programer though it should work,, but it does work. 

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Re: A plea for changes to piano scroll view 2018/01/03 02:35:12 (permalink)
I've been doing this for quite some time now. Years to be exact.
Do it in Track View.
Expand TV just enough so that the horizontal bar appears on top. Lasso the notes you intend to copy/move. Then position your mouse over the top bar. It changes from a pointer to a cross. Then holding the mouse engaged. Drag.
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Re: A plea for changes to piano scroll view 2018/01/05 12:43:09 (permalink)
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Yeah? What Daw has a piano scroll view where you can see all the tracks at once and in different colors for each instrument?
 




Hi there... SAMPLITUDE does the above mentioned job, exactly like SONAR....




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Re: A plea for changes to piano scroll view 2018/01/05 16:49:36 (permalink)
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Yeah? What Daw has a piano scroll view where you can see all the tracks at once and in different colors for each instrument?
 




Hi there... SAMPLITUDE does the above mentioned job, exactly like SONAR....







Yeah, but try to enter triplets in the score view in Samplitude. Or set the resolution to 960 and see how the position and duration of the notes are displayed/entered ... No, I think the Sonar MIDI part is definitly ahead of many other DAWs, even if I have found also very good stuff in Samplitude Pro Suite (very quick and cool zooming possibilities, better integration of Kontakt with FX templates, ...).
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