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A-500pro help needed
I'm trying to control a sound module with the a500pro controller and I'm not having any luck. I have the apro plugged in with an ac adapter as instructed in the manual. I have both units on the same midi channel. I'm not getting a midi signal to the module. I'm not sure what ports I should have checked in the controller properties. A little help would be great, thanks. BC
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Re: A-500pro help needed
2014/02/21 14:13:24
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The ports you need to check in Sonar are the MIDI ins and Outs of your MIDI controller. I also see no mention that you connected your MIDI controller with USB or 5pin MIDI. Just plunging it into an AC unit will not connect it your PC and Sonar. You also might need to install drivers for the windows architecture your running. It might not be a plug and play. Most need drivers CJ
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Re: A-500pro help needed
2014/02/21 14:31:27
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Yes, it is connected to my interface via midi in and out. I use the apro to control my soft synths. Now, I want to use the apro to control a hardware harmonizer. I connected the harmonizer via midi to the apro and into my interface. I want to be able to play a chord on the apro to trigger the harmonizer. This worked when I had the harmonizer hooked up to my Microkorg. I can't get it to work with the apro. That's why I asked what the in and out ports should be that are listed in sonar.
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Re: A-500pro help needed
2014/02/21 15:01:41
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Use USB midi if you can. Assuming you don't have USB midi, the harmonizer midi out should go to the midi in of your sound interface and that is that.
The APRO just plug into PC via USB.
Then route the MIDI in cakewalk making sure you set the correct channels. APRO defaults to channel 1.
Cheers.
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Re: A-500pro help needed
2014/02/21 15:22:05
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Hey CakeAlex, The Apro manual states you need to have an ac adapter and not usb to use the apro with a sound module. The problem is when I did that I lost my midi connection. What I mean is, with a usb connection I can play my softsynth. When I plug in the ac adapter and unplug the usb I no longer have midi to my softsynth. I'm wondering if I have to configure the Apro from scratch using the ac adapter and reinstall the drivers. I'm not sure.
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Re: A-500pro help needed
2014/02/21 17:14:16
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I have a A300 Pro, it does not come with a mains adapter because it actually powers off the USB. I turn it on using a flip switch next to where you plug in the USB. I'm not sure your A500 Pro is the same or not, it may/may not require external power with USB. You can easy tell if it's on or off of when the display lights up. Try the switches near the USB in anyway (or check your setup manual). Windows should also make a sound and indicate that the A500 is connected with USB (The USB goes from A500 Pro to your PC). Once there you can install or update to the latest drivers: http://www.roland.com/support/article/?q=downloads&p=A-500PRO Let us know if you get this far.
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Re: A-500pro help needed
2014/02/21 17:40:12
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The A-500pro powers up fine. The midi cables are hooked up. I can play a soft synth with the keyboard. What I can't do is use the A500pro to trigger my harmonizer. You sing a note, play a chord on the keyboard and you have harmonies through the harmonizer. Like I said, I used to do this with my Microkorg.
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Re: A-500pro help needed
2014/02/21 18:26:41
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Do a factory reset and then... A-500PRO (no AC adapter required) -----(USB cable only)-----> PC -----> SONAR's Preference [MIDI->Device] (tick all A-PRO ports in both Inputs and Outputs) -----> A-PRO Editor/A-PRO Control Surface Plugin (choose "A-PRO2" for input port and "A-PRO" for output port in both cases) -----> SONAR's MIDI track (choose "A-PRO1 Omni" for input and select EITHER of these for output: "A-PRO Midi" if you're connecting the harmonizer to A-PRO's MIDI Out, or your interface's MIDI Out if the harmonizer is connected to it)
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Re: A-500pro help needed
2014/02/21 18:42:14
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Re: A-500pro help needed
2014/02/21 19:01:45
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Hey Jlien, I did exactly what you said but still no harmonies. It's like the harmonizer isn't getting midi to it. This has really got me stumped. Thank you for your help. I'll keep trying.
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Re: A-500pro help needed
2014/02/21 19:11:09
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Please: a) Confirm your harmonizer does not take USB. b) Confirm you ONLY have USB midi connected on A500 and computer c) You have a single MIDI cable. MIDI out from your interface to the MIDI in of your harmonizer. All other MIDI cables removed. Please send screenshots of your channel routing in Sonar and also your MIDI devices in Sonar preferences. Cheers.
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Re: A-500pro help needed
2014/02/21 19:44:55
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Alex, just so I understand. Can't I use the A500pro to trigger the notes in my harmonizer without going into sonar? I used to have a BR1200cd. I used a Microkorg synth (midi out) to my harmonizer. The audio went straight onto the Br1200cd. Can't I do the same thing here?
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Re: A-500pro help needed
2014/02/21 19:52:51
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It should work by connecting MIDI cables between the A-PRO and the harmonizer. You play notes on the A-PRO keyboards, the MIDI signal goes into the harmonizer (via A-PRO MIDI Out) and add harmony in the device, then comes back into A-PRO (via A-PRO MIDI In) and goes into PC/SONAR (via USB). In this scenario, I think you need to select "A-PRO MIDI" from the MIDI track input. I don't use any hardware sound modules or effects so I can't test this, though.
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Re: A-500pro help needed
2014/02/21 20:04:02
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> Alex, just so I understand. Can't I use the A500pro to trigger the notes in my harmonizer without going into sonar? Ah well these are Sonar forums so I was naturally assuming this was a Sonar question? Answer is yes. A500 MIDI out, cable to harmonizer MIDI in. Make sure they are on the same channel. Forget about the PC. Power your A500 off the adapter. If you are sequencing with Sonar you want to do avoid this, use Sonar to do the routing.
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Re: A-500pro help needed
2014/02/21 20:05:58
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Re: A-500pro help needed
2014/02/21 20:09:11
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Have you checked to make sure you are using the same MIDI channel on both?
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Re: A-500pro help needed
2014/02/21 20:15:30
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Yep, channel one. But I checked all the channels just in case.
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Re: A-500pro help needed
2014/02/21 20:17:58
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Are you sure you can hear the audio output of the harmonizer? i.e. headphones say... Vocals are coming into the harmonizer OK?
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Re: A-500pro help needed
2014/02/21 21:00:02
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I have Mic input into the back of the harmonizer and the output to my interface. I can get harmonies out of the harmonizer when I'm in key mode. Harmonies are generated by a selected key. But when I go to "Flexchord" where I choose the notes by chords on the keyboard I get nothing. I just can't get the A500pro to talk to the harmonizer.
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Re: A-500pro help needed
2014/02/21 21:11:00
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On the APRO itself the output is set as channel 1? On the harmonizer the input is set as channel 1? Are you able to drag in a MIDI clip into sonar and loop it (effectively bypassing the APRO) and see if this will trigger the harmonizer? Ta
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Re: A-500pro help needed
2014/02/21 21:22:37
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Yep, channel one on both. Alex, let me ask another question. Do I need round trip midi in my setup? I had midi in and out between the A500pro and my interface. I then put the harmonizer in the path with the output coming out of the A500pro into the harmonizer. Is this right? And I haven't tried a midi clip because I don't know how to get that midi to the harmonizer.
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Re: A-500pro help needed
2014/02/21 21:27:51
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APRO to computer interface (USB) Harmonizer MIDI out cable to interface MIDI in cable.No other cables. If you want to bypass the computer unplug all the cables. APRO MIDI out cable to harmonizer MIDI IN. Do not use USB. No other cables (other than power). Please state make and model of harmonizer Thanks...
post edited by CakeAlexS - 2014/02/21 22:17:46
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Re: A-500pro help needed
2014/02/21 22:13:12
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Akai Decabuddy HV10 The red model. It's actually the best harmonizer I've ever heard. I hate not being able to use it. I'll try your other suggestions and see what happens. Thanks!
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Re: A-500pro help needed (SOLVED)
2014/02/21 23:51:36
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Yes!! Thanks to everyone who responded. What a relief, thank you, thank you.!! Alex, you were on the right track. What I finally did was reverse my midi path. I came out of my interface and into the harmonizer and back into the Apro. Well I still didn't get any sound until I created a midi track with the inputs you suggested and BAM!! harmonies! I can't tell you how much this means to me. You guy's are fantastic and I'm so proud to be part of this forum. I've learned so much from so many. Again a very heart felt thanks! BC
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Re: A-500pro help needed (SOLVED)
2014/02/21 23:58:22
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Well, looks like the problem was solved while I was typing this... Did you try what I suggested in post #13? That's the easiest set up and it should work. Let me explain a bit more. When you play the keyboard or use the pitch bend bar on the A-Pro, the note, pitch bend, after touch data, etc. are transmitted from the A-Pro BOTH to your PC (via USB's "A-Pro 1" port) and to the harmonizer (via MIDI) by default. And when you tweak the knobs, sliders, buttons, etc. on the A-Pro, these controller data are transmitted to your PC (via USB's "A-Pro 2" port) by default. This is why you need to choose "A-Pro 2" for input port in the control surface plugin and the A-Pro Editor (but you don't seem to have the need to control Sonar's track volume fader, pan, etc. using A-Pro's sliders and pans, so you can forget about this A-Pro 2 port for now). The note information transmitted to the harmonizer via a MIDI cable generates harmony in the device (and if it's not working, it's an issue in the harmonizer because, if you have done the A-Pro factory reset, A-Pro's MIDI channel defaults to 1 and A-Pro transmits data via the MIDI cable to another device without fail). Now, the harmony generated in the harmonizer and the original 'dry' midi signal should be transmitted from the device EITHER to your interface OR back to A-Pro, and I'm suggesting the latter for better cable management :-) So, now the dry signal (notes you played) and the wet signal (harmony generated) are both flowing (back) into A-Pro, and they go straight into your PC via USB's "A-PRO MIDI" port (yes, the single USB cable has three ports: A-PRO1, A-PRO2 and A-PRO MIDI). What you need to do now is decide which port you should select from the MIDI track's input. I see in your screenshot that you've selected "A-PRO1," but, as I said, only the dry signal you played on the keyboard comes into the track via A-PRO1. Instead, if you choose "A-PRO MIDI" from the tracks input drop-down, both the dry and wet signals transmitted from the harmonizer should flow into the track. So, to summarize, don't use an AC adapter, use just one USB cable (between A-Pro and PC) and only two MIDI cables (between A-Pro and harmonizer).
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Re: A-500pro help needed (SOLVED)
2014/02/22 00:19:25
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OK, wow a lot of that went right over my head. Well here is my setup now. Midi out on the a500pro to interface. Midi out on interface to harmonizer. No usb. Ac adapter only. I get harmonizer and can play soft synths. Now what do I do with the ports? The input port now is Focusrite usb 6 channel one.
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Re: A-500pro help needed (SOLVED)
2014/02/22 00:27:59
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Hmm...That set up is like using A-PRO as an ordinary hardware synth and not as a MIDI keyboard controller, which A-Pro is, that allows you to not just play notes, use pitch bend, etc. but also control various parameters of your DAW and soft synths using the physical knobs, sliders, etc on the device.
Tak T. Primary Laptop: Core i7-4710MQ CPU, 16GB RAM, 7200RPM HDD, Windows 7 Home Premium OS (Japanese) x64 SP1Secondary Laptop: Core2 Duo CPU, 8GB RAM, 7200RPM HDD, Windows 7 Professional OS (Japanese) x64 SP1Audio Interface: iD14 (ASIO)Keyboard Controller/MIDI Interface: A-800PRODAW: SONAR Platinum x64 (latest update installed)
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