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AAS String Studio VS-2
A new version of String Studio has just started shipping. Now, I know some of us here (I'm one of them) picked up VS-1 at a crazy low price in some a few years ago and pretty much left it gathering virtual dust on our drives. A new video suggests this has been a mistake: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asJ0IUZ0eDY The keyboardist, a fellow named Thiago Pinheiro, is jaw-droppingly good. Admittedly, he could probably make the lamest synth in the world sound exciting. But the video certainly got me more than a little interested in revisiting String Studio. Until July 1, VS-1 owners can upgrade for $29 and get an add-on library for free. Pretty much no-brainer territory in my book.
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/18 18:22:02
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Ordered. Installed. This is a bargain... although I can't figure out how to adjust the bend range on a patch. I guess I should read the manual.
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/18 18:24:21
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☄ Helpfulby Mitch_I 2014/06/19 11:32:57
I bought it, too, for like twenty bucks or something. I had some fun playing with it, and even worked it into a song - once. Since then it's just been taking up disk space here, too. From the video it seems to me that VS-2 sounds exactly like VS-1, but with a chorus. Not believable as an acoustic emulation, not rich enough to serve as synthesizer. Looking at their website, it does indeed seem to be the same instrument under the hood, but with new presets, new effects, and UI improvements.
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/18 18:25:41
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stickman393 I can't figure out how to adjust the bend range on a patch. I guess I should read the manual.
Page 53: The range of the pitch bend is 2 semi-tones up or down by default but can be changed. To adjust the range of the pitch bend, open the MIDI configuration window by clicking on the MIDI button located just below the MIDI led in the top part of the interface and use the Pitch Bend Range drop-down menu to select the range in semi-tones.
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/18 18:35:33
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I'm sure I can look, but since you all took the plunge: 1) Does it read old presets and add-on packs? 2) Is it 64-bit?
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/18 18:37:37
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☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2014/06/18 18:46:10
1) Yes - they need to be exported from VS-1 and copied to the VS-2 Banks folder. The export files are automatically imported. 2) Yes
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/18 18:40:03
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Never mind, a quick look at website answered. Hmmm. Like the rest of you, I have used this maybe twice even though i like it in theory.
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/18 18:50:23
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Thanks scook. Did not see your post previously
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/18 18:59:22
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Pretty much have the same experience as everyone here, got the original very cheap. Have not used it much. AAS offers the upgrade for the cost of the new patch bank. Bought it, if only to support the company.
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dmbaer
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/18 19:16:38
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scook Bought it, if only to support the company.
Good for you. These guys are amongst the nicest and most helpful developers your ever likely to encounter.
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/18 20:10:54
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I bit too. Least I could do. The instructions in the manual for importing vs-1 presets are odd but it worked.
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/18 20:14:38
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Since I am a fool who has already parted with his money...for the giveaway sale my ol pal David alluded...guess I'll just have to throw some more down the rat hole for this as well.
PS...even tho AAS uses that guy for most all their demos...and he's a very good player...I think...does he ever play anything other than two handed musical gibberish??
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/18 20:30:50
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I'm tempted, too. Even though VS-1 never clicked with me - I've just spent the past hour verifying that it's really as disappointing as I remember - I do like the concept. And it gets so close. Maybe this version will add whatever it was that was missing before. You guys be sure to let me know, won't you? Preferably before the 1st of July.
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/18 21:31:21
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One of the things I have noticed about the original version is that it is capable of amazing sounds....I just never bother because the interface is not very intuitive IMO and the stock presets are so-so. I am trying to get better at programming. The few times i have used it in a project I was pleasantly surprised...yet somehow managed to forget about it again. I'll do some extensive comparison and let you know
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/19 00:04:41
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I had been hoping for some tweaks to the engine that would take it a little closer to realism. One area users complain about, is the violin family sounds. I had hoped that developments with it's offspring 'Strum' and the interactions between driver and resonator with 'Chromophone' would have given them some ideas. Disappointed that nothing has changed here really. It's just been brought up to date with the rest of the family. I'm waiting for the next bundle upgrade price, seems to come round mostly at the end of June or at your Thanks Giving, going by my email records.
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/19 02:32:42
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Was wondering as also what if anything significant has changed. $29 means a few less paint spray cans to huff, so have to balance the tradeoff. On the fence whether to do or not to do. The preset access is definitely improved and some new presets. Question is if the sound has been improved. Looks like a lot has been recycled, plus I'll have to wait for another month to get a Warez crack if I do purchase the upgrade.. I did this with a lot of us from the AudioMido $20 no brainer, played with it for a couple days and let it drop off into digital netherland. Anyone find a hard on, burning reason to upgrade? John
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/19 13:01:00
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$29 makes this a no brainer, imo. Seems to be less CPU than VS1 though I am still bringing VS1 soundsets in so have not truthfully done a head to head comparison. Sounds beautiful to me though. Not sure I understand the comment about the Warez crack (?). What's the issue you're having? Using the 64 bit version here. (The old version of all AAS plugins did cause an issue in SONAR here - would freeze up if the GUI was left open-no issue if the GUI was closed. Hoping this is resolved.)
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/19 18:13:51
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JohnKenn Was wondering as also what if anything significant has changed.
AAS seems to be systematically going through their offerings and doing some kind of internal standardization/architecture-conversion. For example, we've got 64-bit versions of the two Strum instruments, but only for PC VST. What they just did for String Studio was probably a fairly major internal reworking to make it 64-bit across the board, although for PC users, the results don't look all that different. But they need to do this even though it's making quite a few PC users annoyed at seemingly marginal improvement. This is a far bigger deal for Mac owners of String Studio. They did this a little while back for Ultra Analog, and I think we can expect it for the Strums, maybe even Tassman at some point. I believe that Chromaphone, their most recent instrument, appeared based on the new architecture from day one and now they're working back through the earlier stuff. But, hell, this is essentially a free upgrade with a mandatory purchase of an add-on library as part of the bargain. I don't get where some people are griping about AAS being out of touch with their user base, but that's just what's happening in a thread over on KVR.
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/19 18:14:09
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This was a no brainer for me also. Although I didn't use VS1 much it did have some nice sounds that can in very handy at times. Maybe I'll use VS2 more.
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/19 18:21:51
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bitflipper I'm tempted, too. Even though VS-1 never clicked with me - I've just spent the past hour verifying that it's really as disappointing as I remember - I do like the concept. And it gets so close. Maybe this version will add whatever it was that was missing before. You guys be sure to let me know, won't you? Preferably before the 1st of July.
For me, I think what was needed to appreciate String Studio was a different attitude about what I expected from it. Originally I think I expected something that did a decent job at producing violin/cello/etc tones. It doesn't do that very convincingly. But the video got me to appreciate what cool sounds it is capable of - ones that I'd be hard-pressed to come up with in another type of synth. Maybe this isn't an instrument you'd use in every production, but from time to time, I believe it could be quite special. I wish AAS had some kind of timeline to accompany the video that listed the presets. I recognize a few of them like the electrified-sounding cello, but there are others which I have no idea where they are in the preset library. There are so many presets, tracking down one using "sounds like" is challenging.
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/19 19:14:40
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I have the Journeys and the other VS-1 bank from the Content Club giveaway and some other promotion. I like the organic but not too realistic tone of these sets, and regret not taking part in the AudioMidi No-Brainer. That said, I don't know that I'd upgrade. Like their VA-1, this seems to be mostly a cosmetic upgrade with a sound set thrown in.
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/19 21:43:57
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guess I'm the odd man out - I turn to String Studio and Tassman often. I think String Studio is a lot easier to program my own patches, and the new version seems to be even easier. I don't expect either of them to be realistic, but I do find them to be very useful. That said I was dubious, so I downloaded the demo, took one evening to convince me that it will be $29 well spent. My AAS dust collector is Ultra Analog - I really need to figure out what it is good for!
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/19 22:09:49
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Guys, Appreciate all the info here and got to bang on the thing some more before the trial runs out. Note to Brando about my Warez comment. Dark humor I guess. Had a bad run of luck with AAS activation 6 months ago. Staff was more than helpful after the meltdown and got everything running again but too late for a great opportunity I had. Mega studio opened out here and a rich band came in to record. The owner hyped me up and the band wanted me to engineer for $25/hour. One main focus was the keyboard guy who wanted certain sounds that could be changed later. Sounded like an AAS job and I hyped the synths. Day before the 2 day session, the band came to my place to audition the synths and get the plan together. I opened Ultra Analog and it said expired and to activate. Tried to cover my tracks and checked out Tassman, also dead. Opened Lounge Session, dead. Lounge Lizard 3 dead. String Studio expired. Only got Lounge 4 still active. The guys were not impressed. I fumbled to get the computer connected to the internet. Got that done and the AAS activation server would hang. Getting nowhere and the keyboard player said "Thanks for your demonstration. We've seen everything we need to see." They left. Week later I got a box in the mail. Letter said the package contained a hardware device that would help me learn more reliable engineering skills. It was a small toy music box piano you wind up and it played "Jingle Bells". The money would have been nice, but the loss of credibility over a damnable activation failure is something you can't put a dollar sign on. Since that time (with few exceptions) I make sure I have a working crack in place before buying software that has you at the mercy of some company. Then purchase the software and honor the license agreement otherwise. John
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/20 02:14:03
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Doing an A/B of presets from String 1 and 2 that cross paths. The frequency response sounds fuller in ver 2 if I'm not getting tricked by the filters. Preset navigation is better. Likely worth the upgrade if you have an extra $29 to burn, and have Strings 1 in the upgrade path. Was playing with some stacked presets with ver 1 and 2 at the same time and got some awesome sounds. Saw also external review complaints that the orchestral strings fall short of the real instrument, but if they sound good, who gives a fork. There goes my budget for 3 good six packs of cold Sterno, chasing some sound I'll likely never catch. John
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/20 12:44:54
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Did some comparison of presets that carried over. The new versions sound slightly better but nothing overwhelming becuase the original presets were kind of underwhelming to begin with. I'm guessing the effects processer helped thicken things up. Like a few others here, I'm more intruiged by the potentially unique sounds than by anything actually heard.
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/20 13:17:08
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So, are the presets in vs2 different than the original. From what can draw for the previous posts, it looks like there are some presets that crossover, but what percentage of VS2 presets are new, what is your best guess (25%, 50%, 75% new, best guess)? I am on the fence with this one. I can's see upgrading to get the same presets all over again, and the Frontier pack is not enough to draw me to it. I like the new GUI, and 64bit, but money is tight and this upgrade while pretty may not draw me in, unless there are new sounds.
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/20 13:56:12
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Money is tight for me too and I still did it. In retrospect for 8 dollars morn I could have got melda production multianalyzer on sale. I still think it may be worth it if only to help a company that gives great service and puts forth the effort to try new things. Upgrading is forcing me to re-examine this vst and trt and get more out of it. The architecture is there. Xenosworks made some nice presetsfor the original that hinted what this thing is capable of.
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/20 17:02:16
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I think if you are a AAS VS 1 owner and you use it even not a lot then this upgrade is very worth while. I feel it is quite a lot more. A whole new bunch of sounds and they are very good and interesting. I found the whole export from VS 1 and import into VS 2 painless. I am not sure but some of the more complex ambient soundscapes sound a little different in VS 2. I feel the effects are a worthwhile addition and can add a lot to sounds now. The GUI is clearer and better and a little easier to use. It has been well thought out and improved. I like the fact VS 1 is still intact and untouched so you can choose which one you want to work with. Overall this is a beautiful sounding instrument and for me I am drawn to it for very realistic string plucked and attacked sounds but also for its wonderful synth electronic sound it has too. Thanks David for bringing it to our attention. It is pretty cool and well worth a relook in terms of exploring again. Carrying over from the 96K thread too it might sound pretty nice at 96K as well. I might do some tests again and see if that it the case. Update Just investigated more deeply the new included presets with VS 2 and there are some incredible sounds in there for sure. Very interesting indeed. I also loaded the free Frontier library and it is definitely great and worth having. Some great patches in there too. It is just a matter of how you make use of them and musically one would hope. They are quite inspirational. The effects rack is fun and can be treated as a whole identity. You can mangle some great effects onto patches with this now. All in one place and easy to fiddle. Arpeggiator allows for some interesting original stepping and patterns etc. Very good the way you can program this too. It has a big beautiful sound most of the time and it blends well with everything else you may be using.
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/21 02:40:29
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Jeff and friends, Useful overview. I went and done bit the $29 bullet, even if a good crack is still a couple months away. Activation was painless on two computers. Dub's point that the upgrade redirects attention to what ver 1 did... Worth the investment having to dust off a forgotten gem and see what it was all about before most of us archived and forgot... New sound pak is wild and crazy but I didn't get off on the sounds except for a possible point of departure for making home grown presets. Got more miles out of Sean Divine's stops already included. Like the brittle fake strings with a touch of real resonance. These bowed presets have no credible articulation. Modulation is mechanical and obvious computer driven. Weird hybrid sound that adds a top end if mixed with something like the EastWest libraries you rich kids have. Don't know if it is worth buying the plug from ground zero, but an upgrade should be considered. John
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Re: AAS String Studio VS-2
2014/06/21 16:46:10
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I really like it. I think of it is being in a plucked, bowed struck sort of vibe and for some reason a great electronic sounding vibe to it. It can sound so much like a great analog synth for some reason. Think of the string motion/action as a starting point for the creation of a very unusual electronic instrument. I agree the bowing and other aspects of it may not sound completely real. But in a way think of it not that way but more a very interesting sustained portion preceded with a very interesting attack transient. And it takes on a different purpose. Yes it does do some string effects with great realism and I have used it that way too but I tend to think of it as adding textures amongst other things. And some quite unusual sounds in the process. For example check out all the patches in the new VS 2 factory sounds Ambient section. Any of those sounds represents amazing material for soundscape production that is for sure. It forms the basis of interesting ambient soundscapes to be created. It can also be a very expressive tonal musical instrument working with other parts to form total musical concepts. Because of its percussive nature of String Studio I feel it sits well with very natural percussive sounds, but it has a foot in the camp of interesting electronic sounds bridging those two genres together well. It seems to combine well with my other virtual instruments and hardware setup. That is a force to be reckoned with in itself. I can get it playing at super low latency making it enjoyable to play from a drummers or percussionist perspective. It can respond fast and that is great. The compressor in the effects rack is important now too. Some patches can produce wildly swinging output levels and the compressor really helps to tame all that down and keep it sounding level and sweet.
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