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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 02:35:58
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Thanks Mod Bod! That helped clear away the fog and thanks to the clarity of your advice I now have bank switching conquered. It is almost time to write all of this up and put it up on the wiki. What a pity that Cakewalk didn't do a better job with "Help" and the manual...
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 09:30:27
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ORIGINAL: Midimanz
Thanks Mod Bod! That helped clear away the fog and thanks to the clarity of your advice I now have bank switching conquered. It is almost time to write all of this up and put it up on the wiki. What a pity that Cakewalk didn't do a better job with "Help" and the manual...
Cheers
Midimanz
I learned everything I know from the Help files and the M-Audio Axiom Pdf with a couple of hints from other users. It's kinda there but you are right about "the fog". Once you discover the logic of how it works and what ACT needs to have to do it's job, it becomes easier. And then every keyboard is a bit different. We'd have to have a separate DVD for the help files. 
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 09:31:29
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by 'unmarked' button, are you referring to B31?
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 09:34:23
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I'm in "The Amazing Plastic Man" mode right now so I don't have a keyboard in front of me. The unmarked button is under the 9th slider on the right. It doesn't have a number below it IIRC. I use it for the shift key.
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 09:36:56
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ORIGINAL: Guitarmech111
by 'unmarked' button, are you referring to B31?
No. It is the one after the D button at least on the Axiom 61. Of course you could use B31 that way.
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 09:51:07
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Thanks guys, I see it. It was hiding. :)
Today, I am on a mission to get the Axiom controlling SONAR.
TIA!!!
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 09:54:15
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I am assuming you used the axiom to program these functions. Can you give me a brief walk=through or kick start? ORIGINAL: cmrick
I have the transport setup using MMC. The sliders and buttons using ACT.
The one unmarked button is my MIDI shift key setup as a type 146. So I can use the other buttons (1234ABCD) for two functions. My sliders all work but since there are only eight slots, the master fader to the far right is useless.
Buttons are assigned...
1 - selected track mute
2 - selected track solo
3 - selected track record
4 - selected track write automation
A - previous selected track
B - next selected track
C - previous measure
D - next measure
So I can completely navigate with the Axiom and never really have to look at the screen
Shifts are
1 - undo
2 - redo
3 - track view
4 - console view
A - previous bank (moves the WAI)
B - next bank (moves the WAI)
C - previous marker
D - next marker
Now that I'm used to this, things go really fast now. I can use the buttons by feel now.
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 10:01:42
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I've got buttons 1-4&A-D set with different CCs. Sometimes I would accidently input a CC that was in common with another button, rotary or slider. If it was a problem then it would show up as toggling two commands instead of one. In that case I would pick a different CC. Some cell commands work better with a min setting of 0 and a max setting of 127 and others may work with the opposite. I've got a cell or two that min and max are both set to 127. This weekend I'm hoping to post my complete set up in an Excel spreadsheet. This should help people who are struggling. I'm fairly certain you should be up and running before then.
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 10:02:02
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Thanks Dave, I am sure many will benefit from this thread. Thanks for starting it. Here is my scenario, I have a project with 24 tracks. I want to setup the sliders to control each one individually. I can only get 8 at a time. It appears that I can only have a max of 8 controlled tracks at a time. I added 2 more additional ACT controllers, but I get 3 tracks assigned to the single slider. I need to do this with one controller instance I guess. Is this where the shift button comes in? If not, how do I get the additional tracks to react to the volume control?
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 10:04:13
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Do you have Enigma? If so I could e-mail you the XML preset file that I have setup. You would then send that to the keyboard with Enigma after placing it in your user file area for Enigma.
Then it is a matter of going into ACT with Sonar and setting things up there.
If you do, I would suggest putting your e-mail here spelled out so the bots can't get it but I can understand. As soon as I have e-mailed you the file. Then edit your e-mail out of the message.
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 10:05:04
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ORIGINAL: Guitarmech111
Thanks Dave, I am sure many will benefit from this thread. Thanks for starting it.
Here is my scenario, I have a project with 24 tracks. I want to setup the sliders to control each one individually. I can only get 8 at a time.
It appears that I can only have a max of 8 controlled tracks at a time.
I added 2 more additional ACT controllers, but I get 3 tracks assigned to the single slider.
I need to do this with one controller instance I guess.
Is this where the shift button comes in? If not, how do I get the additional tracks to react to the volume control?
You can't get there from here. Eight tracks is the best you can do using the standard ACT Controller, if I understand it correctly. The shift only works for buttons.
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 10:08:20
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You can however use the banks to switch so that you cover 8 different tracks with each bank (I think) - haven't done it myself yet.
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 10:11:30
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Thanks!
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 10:19:45
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Check your e-mail. I just sent it. Hope you have the Axiom 61 or it won't work. Once you send it with Enigma, you will have to load template 1.
I should warn you my Rotary 8 is setup slightly odd. I have it send program changes so I can easily preview sounds on things like Absynth. It should be easy to set this more like the other rotaries.
Also, as mentioned elsewhere in this thread, Enigma won't actually show the button values correctly for the zone and group buttons but the XML file is ok from what I can see of it.
Backup your current setup first of course.
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 11:53:03
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Well, I can't get enigma to work. I can bring up settings, but the axiom won't connect to the program for settings xfer.
The conttroller works in SONAR though.
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 11:59:26
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Sorry it didn't work out  . If I recall, you already got the transport buttons down. Pretty much my setup for the rest of it is pretty standard template 1 except the buttons Zone 1-4 buttons, Group A-D buttons, and the unlabeled button have been redefined. They are type 146. Data one should be the existing CC numbers (52-60). Data 2 is 0. Data 3 is 127. It is really odd enigma isn't seeing the port out to the Axiom.
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 12:00:24
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Changing USB ports got the Enigma s/w to work. It shouldn't be this hard. 
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 12:02:19
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 12:51:01
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yep!!
I loaded the XML file, but the buttons do nothing. Do I have to enable something else? They are 1-4, A-D set to data 52-59 and the blank button set to 60.
All :
controller type 146
min-00
max-127
What am I missing?
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 12:58:13
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ORIGINAL: Guitarmech111
yep!!
I loaded the XML file, but the buttons do nothing. Do I have to enable something else? They are 1-4, A-D set to data 52-59 and the blank button set to 60.
All :
controller type 146
min-00
max-127
What am I missing?
I have separate CC values for the buttons. I'm not understanding what this "set to data 52-89" refers to.
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 13:03:45
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geez, on top of all this, now I have a defective knob 4. It sets max one way and nothing in between when learning. All the other knobs work as expected. Anyone else have trouble with knob 4? 52-59 are CC numbers set to data 1.
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 13:08:30
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Now you are in for the easy but tedious (not to horrible) part.
You have to associate each control with the appropriate part of ACT.
Bring up the controller surface properties for ACT. Then click on one of the cells (like Rotary Knob #1 - labeled R1 in the properties). Move the knob on the Axiom. Do this for each of the controls (8 knobs, 8 sliders, the 8 buttons).
The shift key (the unmarked button is what I use) you learn by pressing it after hitting the midi learn button for the shift modifier. Since the keyboard as 9 sliders, you will have to decide which not to use for this. I left out the 9th one to the right (D17).
After doing this, save your work as a preset in Sonar 6. I called mine "Axiom 61 Sonar 6 template". Actually I would save often during this process in case you grab the wrong knob or something (although you would just relearn it).
If you decide you don't like the default actions, say for a button, you go to the second tab, options, and use the drop down lists to assign what the button actually does. Again, save this to your preset.
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 13:11:09
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I think by knob 4 you mean what is really knob 8. That is the one that is on the upper right. That is the one I warned you I changed to let me change programs within Absynth. If you want it like normal, just set it up like the other knobs instead.
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 13:12:42
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I've got a Axiom user manual downloaded but I'm going to gawk from the side as you talk Conley down from the ledge. To many people adding bits and pieces is just confusing him more. It's not that hard if I can finally figure it out.
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 13:35:45
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Conley:
For what it is worth, the normal knob 8 setting is:
cc: 95
Channel: 0
data 2: 0
data 3: 127
I probably should have just switched this back to normal before I sent you the XML file.
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 14:58:39
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One more thing for everyone, (and not just axiom users). It is possible you may go into a project later and find ACT no longer works even though you have your preset called up properly, your keyboard setup properly, etc. What can happen is that the port ACT is expecting commands on may have changed. Go into options - controller/surfaces, and change the port for ACT to the correct in/out ports of the device you are using. Guess how I know this can get messed up  . In my case I have multiple midi interfaces. It can end up trying to use the wrong one for act (and MMC) and your controls won't work until you set the port back to what it should be.
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 15:05:51
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yep, that was it!! I got it to assign now. It is B8. :) Now how to figure out the controller use on more than 8 tracks now. Thanks Guys!! ORIGINAL: madratter
Conley:
For what it is worth, the normal knob 8 setting is:
cc: 95
Channel: 0
data 2: 0
data 3: 127
I probably should have just switched this back to normal before I sent you the XML file.
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 15:22:58
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ORIGINAL: Guitarmech111
Now how to figure out the controller use on more than 8 tracks now.
Ok. I got that figured now. If you haven't changed the defaults, Shift-B8 (for us the unmarked button together with the D button) will give you next track bank. Shift-B7 gives previous track bank.
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 16:35:14
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track bank, as in the SONAR track, or the Axiom track? I am wondering if the shift key is still working. I did change the B8 and it is working as expected now. So, to summarize, I have : 1. Transport working 2. Sliders set for volume control for the 8 selected tracks. 3. Knobs controlling the trim setting for each selected track I need: 1. Knobs to navigate the tracks in SONAR I think this is where knowledge of ACT may come in? I am not exactly sure how to switch the ACT settings so that each bank changes function. I think it has something to do with the way the options tab is setup. right? I wish ACT had a video like AudioSnap does. :) ORIGINAL: madratter
ORIGINAL: Guitarmech111
Now how to figure out the controller use on more than 8 tracks now.
Ok. I got that figured now. If you haven't changed the defaults, Shift-B8 (for us the unmarked button together with the D button) will give you next track bank. Shift-B7 gives previous track bank.
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RE: ACT: M-Audio Axiom Keyboards
2006/10/05 16:47:58
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To see track banks in action, bring up more than 8 tracks. Then when you hit next track bank, it will shift from the first 8 tracks to the next 8 tracks. (If you have less than 16 tracks it will shift to the last 8. For example, if you have 9 tracks it will shift to tracks 2-9).
Assuming you used the unmarked button as the shift key (and learned it) and assuming the D button is what you learned as button 8, those two together should give you the next track bank (again assuming you did not change the meaning of that cell in the options page).
Also terminology is somewhat convoluted here as Axiom insisted on calling the rotary knobs B1-B8 do to the zone they are in. Sonar uses B1-B8 to refer to the buttons. I am referring in this case to the shift button (I used unmarked, and the button learned for ACT B8 (I used the D button).
ACT banks are different from track banks. That can also be changed using button presses. So you can use ACT banks to switch from controlling volume to controlling trim or something like that. Again the terminology here can be very confusing.
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