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2017/04/29 21:30:27 (permalink)

AD2 drum map ARRGH!

Some time back I followed the appallingly complex way to get the AD2 drum maps right and it worked. Then it stopped working; I do not know why. I can now only get what everything has; General MIDI etc percussive and Diatonic etc melodic.
 
I tried going through the process as far as deleting AD2 Standard Map and AD2 Track.cwx, and then replacing them with the ones originally extracted. But opening a new file based on AD2 Project template still leaves me without the AD2 drum map.
 
The AD2 drum map is assigned to DM1 in the Drum Map Manager. The drum names are all there and the Port/channel is 1-1-Addictive Drums 2 1/1.
 
Thanks for any help.
 
 

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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/04/29 22:05:19 (permalink)
Hello,
in relation to this question I have just updated to Sonar Platinum and I want to add a drum map for Addictive Drums 2 in the Piano Roll view. I don't know how to do this as I have never used drum maps before. I would be grateful to know how I add the Drum Map for Addictive Drums 2 to the Piano Roll View in Sonar Platinum.
 
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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/04/29 22:06:40 (permalink)
 try https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013364/Setting-up-a-Drum-Map-for-Addictive-Drums-2-in-SONAR.
 
As I said, it worked for me, but now I can't get it to work again. know how you go.

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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/04/29 22:15:26 (permalink)
Mine comes up with two and the checked one is the one that works.

 
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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/04/29 22:26:06 (permalink)
Ah. That is when you select the output right?
 
That was it. I am not sure why the wrong one is the default. Anyway, thanks for that.

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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/04/29 22:28:30 (permalink)
Yeah, it's the output of your midi track. I'm not sure why the default is that other one either. It has left me scratching my head in the past. Glad to help though.
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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/04/29 22:54:10 (permalink)
I noticed that when you use the AD2 Project Template to create a new project you have to change the output to the correct drum map.
 
But if you already have a project open instead, and use "Insert > Track Template > Soft Synth Track Templates > AD2 > AD2 Track.cwx, it outputs to the correct map automagically!!!

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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/04/29 23:04:41 (permalink)
Hey yeah! In all my confused "learning faze" I did not see that!

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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/04/29 23:08:25 (permalink)
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 try https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013364/Setting-up-a-Drum-Map-for-Addictive-Drums-2-in-SONAR.
 
As I said, it worked for me, but now I can't get it to work again. know how you go.


Thank you for that information. It is most helpful. I followed those instructions substituting Sonar X3 for the relevant Sonar Platinum folders. Its now approaching midnight so I am not going to open up Sonar now but I am going to get stuck in tomorrow afternoon.
 
Also thanks for RSMCGuitar for his input.
 
I will say this about Sonar. Its a very powerful flexible program but you can lost in options within it. I was wondering why I had to double click to enter a note in the PRV with the Smart Tool or else use alt and click or use the draw note to enter a single note. It turns out you can enter a note in the PRV with a solitary mouse click but you have to flick your cursor up a little as you do it. Thats very unintuitive and I would have never have guessed that until I read it online. Also the grid resolution in the PRV is a nightmare to set up. I was trying to set the grid resolution to eight notes but it kept remaining at whole notes. Eventually I got it by constantly messing around with the Global Snap but it was totally unintuitive. This is the reason I get frustrated with Sonar sometimes. It has tremendous power but sometimes even doing simple things like setting a grid resolution is a pain in the butt! Rant over!
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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/04/29 23:13:02 (permalink)
You don't drag up to enter a note... you drag to the right.
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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/04/30 09:47:26 (permalink)
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Thank you for that information. It is most helpful. I followed those instructions substituting Sonar X3 for the relevant Sonar Platinum folders. Its now approaching midnight so I am not going to open up Sonar now but I am going to get stuck in tomorrow afternoon.
 



 
Well when you try it, if you have not already, have a quick read of the rest of the thread. There are a couple of gotchas that are brought to light. They just got me!

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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/04/30 15:36:14 (permalink)
I still dont get it, something Im missing LOL,
 
So if I just insert AD2, as a soft synth simple instrument track on the one track, (and not the AD2 cwt template), invoke PR view,  I cant see drum map, unless I create a separate midi track and assign output to DM-1 (i.e. being AD2 map), or load the AD2 cwt showing midi track 
So in either case, OK fine now I see a drum map in PRV if I open the drum map pan,  load a midi loop in the midi track, but now I dont hear anything when I hit play? 
 
So in any case,
What I would want to do is see the drum map kit pieces assigned to key notes in PRV,  (not necessarily drum map pane), e.g., when I right click on piano notes, I get the note name menu come up showing default, diatonic note names, and a list other drum kit note names available to choose from here.
Can I not assign AD2 kit pieces names to show up as a choice in this list somehow?
 
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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/04/30 16:06:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Stevethesearcher2015 2017/04/30 16:54:10
To add a drum map to an AD2 instrument track,
  1. click on the AD2 instrument track in the track view to load the track into the Track Inspector,
  2. click the MIDI tab at the bottom of the Track Inspector to bring up the instrument track MIDI settings
  3. click the output drop down just above the track name in the Track Inspector
  4. select the new drum map

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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/04/30 17:06:58 (permalink)
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To add a drum map to an AD2 instrument track,

 
K so open AD2 as a simple instrument track, insert a drum loop to hear, now do what you say, now I dont hear anything when I select play, also key names are not assigned to keys in piano roll view, only in drum pane view, which may OK, accept I dont have hear audio now, if a play, or try and add notes into the drum pane (pain, lol), If I select output to AD2 2.1 choice (i.e., not the AD2 Standard choice) I can hear audio again, but loose key assignments in drum pain.
What I really want is PRV keys assigned to kit piece names (as in drum pane), and be able to hear them, also LOL.
So I guess what Im thinking is their a way to assign/import AD2 as an instrument (*.ins) file? Or do you have to create/define one manually i.e., define and go through each midi note to assigning all the parameters.
 
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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/04/30 17:30:41 (permalink)
Open the drum map manager and make sure the routing in the AD2 Standard map is correct. My guess is the Out Port assignments are not going to AD2.
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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/04/30 17:39:44 (permalink)
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Open the drum map manager and make sure the routing in the AD2 Standard map is correct. My guess is the Out Port assignments are not going to AD2.



K so where is that set in drum map manager? i.e., ids that the port/channel showing, how do change that?Submit Post

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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/04/30 17:42:58 (permalink)
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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/04/30 18:05:13 (permalink)
If you have already following this setup:  https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013364/Setting-up-a-Drum-Map-for-Addictive-Drums-2-in-SONAR
 
Then insert the AD2 TRACK TEMPLATE like this into an open project:  "Insert > Track Template > Soft Synth Track Templates > AD2 > AD2 Track.cwx".
 
Everything should fall right into place! 

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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/04/30 18:20:48 (permalink)
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If you have already following this setup:  https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013364/Setting-up-a-Drum-Map-for-Addictive-Drums-2-in-SONAR
 
Then insert the AD2 TRACK TEMPLATE like this into an open project:  "Insert > Track Template > Soft Synth Track Templates > AD2 > AD2 Track.cwx". 
Everything should fall right into place! 


K thanks, been there done that, still same result, so in any case, having done all these things, just to be certain, having done all above, if I now go into Piano Roll View, right click on piano keys I get a menu that comes up that allows me to assign names to piano keys, the default is diatonic, there's general midi drums, and many others, if a I chose one it assigns kit piece names to piano keys. (not in drum pain).
 
So are you all saying having done all the above I should now be seeing the AD2 choice coming up in the list of available note names assignable, such as diatonic 0-127, 1-128, General Midi, etc.... (and mapped to AD2)   


 

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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/04/30 18:28:25 (permalink)
The Note pane keyboard does not change when using a drum map. The drum map uses the Drum pane above the Note pane in the PRV. "Show/Hide Drum Pane" is the first option in the PFV View menu. The only way the keyboard changes in the Note pane is if the plug-in supports a specific VST opcode, for example Session Drummer and BFD offer this type of support or an assignment is made with the Note Names dialog. The note Names dialog uses entries in the .Note Names section of Master.ins.
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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/04/30 18:34:58 (permalink)
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Open the drum map manager and make sure the routing in the AD2 Standard map is correct. My guess is the Out Port assignments are not going to AD2.

K so in Drum map manager, are you saying the in the settings for DM-1 in the column "Out Port" should be listing Addictive drums the out port? 

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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/04/30 18:38:40 (permalink)
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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/04/30 18:44:10 (permalink)
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The Note pane keyboard does not change when using a drum map. The drum map uses the Drum pane above the Note pane in the PRV. "Show/Hide Drum Pane" is the first option in the PFV View menu. The only way the keyboard changes in the Note pane is if the plug-in supports a specific VST opcode, for example Session Drummer and BFD offer this type of support or an assignment is made with the Note Names dialog. The note Names dialog uses entries in the .Note Names section of Master.ins.


OK, well, that explains that, to bad I guess that's an AD2 deficiency, Ok so next issue that Im getting no audio, when I assign a AD2 map to drum pain, (send output to AD2 Standard). Just to say right clicking on piano key does have quite a lot naming options.
 

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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/04/30 18:52:32 (permalink)
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yes



K so I guess I have to go through entire column and and change all to AD2?, so is this where I also have to change to channel column to 15 (as I believe it says in manual documentation referenced ) 

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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/04/30 18:56:55 (permalink)
I am not sure why you would want to change the channel. AD2 works fine on channel 1 even though 10 is the GM standard for drums. This is true for every drum synth I have used.
 
To change multiple rows see http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR&language=3&help=DrumEditor.05.html
 
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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/04/30 19:03:35 (permalink)
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I am not sure why you would want to change the channel. AD2 works fine on channel 1 even though 10 is the GM standard for drums. This is true for every drum synth I have used.
 
To change multiple rows see http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR&language=3&help=DrumEditor.05.html

 
K no sorry, misread, documentation was referring to track 15, when loading AD2 template.
K gotta go back and do some homework on drum pain, LOL. (or just remember diatonic note kit piece)
 
Thanks for your patience and help
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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/04/30 19:11:48 (permalink)
I don't think drum maps work on "simple instrument tracks". You have to use them on "midi tracks".
 
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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/04/30 19:14:24 (permalink)
Yes, drum maps work on instrument tracks. I detailed how to apply a drum map in lucky number 13 above.
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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/04/30 19:56:05 (permalink)
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Yes, drum maps work on instrument tracks. I detailed how to apply a drum map in lucky number 13 above.

K thanks,
I got audio working by reassigning output columns, and also displaying kit piece in drum pane, now I got to read up on using drum pane, and what advantage it may have over regular PRV.
Cheers, Thanks again
 
 

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Re: AD2 drum map ARRGH! 2017/05/01 01:42:33 (permalink)
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Some time back I followed the appallingly complex way to get the AD2 drum maps right and it worked. Then it stopped working; I do not know why. I can now only get what everything has; General MIDI etc percussive and Diatonic etc melodic.
 
I tried going through the process as far as deleting AD2 Standard Map and AD2 Track.cwx, and then replacing them with the ones originally extracted. But opening a new file based on AD2 Project template still leaves me without the AD2 drum map.
 
The AD2 drum map is assigned to DM1 in the Drum Map Manager. The drum names are all there and the Port/channel is 1-1-Addictive Drums 2 1/1.
 
Thanks for any help.



Goodday
Im not sure we're talking about the same thing, but Im almost sure at one time I had the AD2 kit piece names assigned to the note key names in the PRV (meaning not in the drum grid pane), maybe it was the earlier AD version, or selected general midi names, or maybe I was dreaming again, LOL. The reason I think this is Ive never used the drum grid pain to edit, or even or tried setting it up before today, but seem to recall kit pieces assigned to note names. In any case, it would be nice if you could even easily manually add your own text to a field in line with PRV piano keys/midi key number, guess I'm just dreaming again, LOL.
 
Cheers
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