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2005/01/24 09:06:14 (permalink)

AKG C414 vs Neumann U87

Firstly, I'm considering purchasing a C414 but there are three different ones available as far as I can see. What difference is there between these?
Dreaming a little here, but would It be better to save my pennies a while longer and go straight for a Neumann U87 or perhaps M147?

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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/24 12:20:35 (permalink)
    Firstly, I'm considering purchasing a C414 but there are three different ones available as far as I can see. What difference is there between these?
    Dreaming a little here, but would It be better to save my pennies a while longer and go straight for a Neumann U87 or perhaps M147?

    That would be a tough choice for me. They're both great microphones - but for different reasons. They're both versatile, but in different ways. I guess if I was forced to choose, I'd go for the U87 because of what I said above plus the mystique and reputation of having one. I'd almost give it up to the AKG for clarity and accuracy, but something about having a U87 would be so cool.

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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/24 12:44:59 (permalink)
    That would be a tough choice for me. They're both great microphones - but for different reasons. They're both versatile, but in different ways. I guess if I was forced to choose, I'd go for the U87 because of what I said above plus the mystique and reputation of having one. I'd almost give it up to the AKG for clarity and accuracy, but something about having a U87 would be so cool.


    Hmmmm I'am worried that I might take the course towards mystique and the Neumann but even more worried that I might consider both!....My poor pocket!...I guess I have mixed emotion over the issue!

    Nostalgia, mystic, character and expense or clarity, practicality, accuracy and econemy? Tough choice.

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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/24 13:03:48 (permalink)
    Why is it always these two mics?

    Have you also considered a Shure KMS44?
    Or maybe something from Blue...or maybe something from GT/Alesis, Brauner, Manley ect?

    I'd try a bunch at a decent Pro Audio shop before sinking that kind of cash.

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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/24 13:22:20 (permalink)
    Have you also considered a Shure KMS44?

    The microphones he is considering are sort of a step up from the Shure K microphones. They're great, don't get me wrong. The Shure, AT 40 series microphones, RODE - they're all very nice choices and I like them all, but there is something to be said for taking that next step in to the realm of professional equpment when you talk about a Neumann U87 or an AKG C414.

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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/24 14:06:41 (permalink)
    C414


    I recently went through this decision too. I got the C414BXLS based on reputation and price. I got it with a good package deal. I got a Focusrite TwinTrak Pro a C414 and a washable windscreen for $1.2KUS

    I am VERY happy with the choice I made. The TT Pre is a very versatile unit. I can use it on my guitars and mics. I had a RODE NT2 and I wanted something more polished and professional. The NT2 is a great mic, don't get me wrong. I love that Mic. The C414 is nicer though. :)

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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/24 15:20:52 (permalink)
    I can only vouch for the C414 since I have not used a U87 but I can say that I have never found a source that I didn't like the C414 on.
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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/24 15:24:23 (permalink)
    If you're using this mic primarily for vocals, may I drop my suggestion of picking up a BLUE Kiwi, Mouse, or Bottle. They're more expensive than the AKG C414, but I think you'll be pleased. They're GREAT vocal mic's
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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/25 04:36:30 (permalink)
    Thanks Daniel,

    I have considered the blue microphones also....in fact I nearly purchased a blue cactus recently ( I do like the sound of valve mics ). Hence the possible Neumann M147, but as you have confirmed, many also have good things to say about the bluebird. Rental may be an option I'll look into for sure. Nothing like being able to use a good piece of gear at will though! the C414 seems to be at the forefront of my consideration so far, not based on price so much as the proffessional standard of work that I have heard done through them!

    Oh...but the Neumann does sound like the next step up to my ears....DOH!

    It is nice to get practical feedback.

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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/25 07:52:01 (permalink)
    A step up? Really now?
    I don't see any real step in quality &I've used all three brands.
    I love the Shure KSM Series.

    I think it's more analagous to someone purchasing a Pro Tools system just to appease the clients (Pro Tools? Of course we have Pro Tools!) then using Sonar to record & mix on.

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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/25 09:47:15 (permalink)
    A step up? Really now?
    I don't see any real step in quality &I've used all three brands.
    I love the Shure KSM Series.

    We will agree to disagree, then. IMO, the KSM is not too different from an AT4050 and I have used both of those side by side. The KSM does have that nice flight case, a better shock mount and over all seems to be a sturdier microphone – but it doesn’t sound any better as far as I can hear.

    My friend has an AKG C414 and it does seem to have a slight edge in detail and overall quality compared to my AT4050...I want one – It will be mine. Oh yes, it will be mine

    The U87 has the Neumann mystique and that is something that no other microphone has. So in that regard, I will agree with your Protools analogy. But that doesn't take away from its greatness or fame as one of the most commonly used studio microphones in the world.

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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/25 10:21:03 (permalink)
    Firstly, I'm considering purchasing a C414 but there are three different ones available as far as I can see. What difference is there between these?
    Dreaming a little here, but would It be better to save my pennies a while longer and go straight for a Neumann U87 or perhaps M147?

    This month's Pro Audio Review has artices on Mic Pre's and Mic's as well as project studio components. I haven't read them yet, but I thought I would post it here for you to check.

    http://www.proaudioreview.com/

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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/25 12:26:22 (permalink)
    You naughty man!! Now I want a Neumann M150!!

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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/25 12:28:57 (permalink)
    You naughty man!! Now I want a Neumann M150!!


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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/25 12:35:00 (permalink)
    Conley gives Shaun GAS!!


    Conley should give Shaun money to counteract GAS!!

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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/25 12:39:48 (permalink)
    Conley should give Shaun money to counteract GAS!!

    I'll give you a hint on a microphone that I love; The RODE NTK. It's has some serious mojo and character. It's cheap, too. It's not good for everything, unfortunately - but it kills on female vocals and I love it on strummed acoustic guitar (I have used it to record kick from outside the drum and it sounded great for that, too). I guess there is a new tube offering from RODE that is supposed to be even a little nicer than the NTK - I can't remember the model right now, though.
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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/25 13:02:53 (permalink)
    I do have an NTK U know!! are you teasing me???

    the K2 is Rode's new offering however my NT2-a has the same capsule so I could probably get a similar emulation of th K2 if I crank the Avalon?..maybe?

    maybe I should just sprnd the money on a UAD studio pak!
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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/25 13:05:39 (permalink)
    maybe I should just sprnd the money on a UAD studio pak!

    Now you are making sense...

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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/25 13:07:06 (permalink)
    Now you are making sense...


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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/25 13:33:49 (permalink)
    however my NT2


    I also love this one! It was my primary mic before the C414.

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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/25 22:53:42 (permalink)
    in my-wiping-my-ass 10000 times opinion, bluebird is just as good as some $2000 mics.


    You really like this mic don't you! It is a definate "as well" as option for the soon to be had mic closet. For $499 US its a bargain if what is said about it is true. I've heard work done with the neumann and the C414 but not with the Bluebierd! Do you have anything you could post as an example?

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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/26 01:15:00 (permalink)
    I've owned a C414 for about 14 years. I use it all the time. It has that certain "pro" sound. It's a very clean, transparent and overall just gorgeous sounding microphone. There isn't much I haven't tried mic'ing with it. It's just such a pleasure to use on voice. Sparkling on acoustic guitar without ever sounding even a little bit harsh. Makes a great drum overhead. Having the ability to select all the classic patterns is also a bonus, and makes it a very good tool for soundshaping.

    It is very pre-amp sensitive though. I have heard it through a variety of pre-amps and the difference can be substantial. It will show up cheap electronics like you wouldn't believe! I would say that you have to be prepared to spend almost as much on the pre-amplification as you do on the mic to make the whole thing worthwhile. (I'm sure you didn't want to hear that). I personally run it through either a Focusrite "green" series or one of Rane's mic pre's. I have heard it through very expensive pre-amps and all I can say is that it's hard to go backwards once you have heard the difference.

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    P.S. yes the Neumann is a better microphone, no question, but it is hard to say if it is worth the extra money, and it is even more pre-amp sensitive, so the whole thing justs keeps escalating.
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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/26 01:35:29 (permalink)
    I have heard it through a variety of pre-amps and the difference can be substantial. It will show up cheap electronics like you wouldn't believe! I would say that you have to be prepared to spend almost as much on the pre-amplification as you do on the mic to make the whole thing worthwhile. (I'm sure you didn't want to hear that).


    I have an Avalon VT737sp & Focusrite Twin Track pro...My main concern is that I'm cheaping out on the mic's.

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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/26 10:09:26 (permalink)
    I personally run it through either a Focusrite "green" series or one of Rane's mic pre's. I have heard it through very expensive pre-amps and all I can say is that it's hard to go backwards once you have heard the difference.

    When I ran my buddy's C414 through my Great River MP-2NV I heard the sound of golden honey emanating from my monitors. The sweetness was so intense that I nearly shat myself. It will be mine - Oh yes, It will be mine.

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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/26 10:40:37 (permalink)
    my Great River MP-2NV


    [snobby British acc]OOOHmy great river MP-2NV, OOOOH the sound of golden honey emanating from my monitors! OOOH the sweetness[/snobby Brirish acc]

    Of course the C414 would sound much better through the Avalon U know!

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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/26 12:57:04 (permalink)
    It will be mine - Oh yes, It will be mine.

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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/26 13:09:39 (permalink)
    Of course the C414 would sound much better through the Avalon U know!

    The Avalon is VERY nice. It's such a clean, warm and smooth sounding preamp. I want one. When I was shopping for a pre, I looked at Avalon very closely and liked what I saw (and heard) a lot. But the one thing that I didn't particularly care for about it was the one thing I needed it to excel at the most; recording REALLY LOUD GUITAR AMPS!!! Other than that it's quite a lovely sounding preamp (and great looking too).

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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/26 13:10:58 (permalink)
    Covet Not your neighbors... <g>

    But it will be mine and when it is mine, I'll no longer have to covet.

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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/26 17:19:18 (permalink)
    I can think of MANY mic's that cost a whole lot less than a stock U87 that I would rather own! The only "great" sounding U87's I have heard were modified by one of a few guys that do mod's on them. I don't think a stock U87 is worth it's price, but a modified one is worth it's price plus the price of the mod! :)

    The 414 is a workhorse. Far from my favorite mic on many things, but simply killer in a few applications! It always at least sounds "decent" on anything I use it on.

    You can get like 3 414's for the price of one U87. If you had full time access to each, you would find yourself using the 414 FAR MORE than a stock U87. Okay, you might be deaf too....;) But really, I think you will get a lot more benefit out of a 414.
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    RE: AKG C414 vs Neumann U87 2005/01/26 17:49:36 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: sonusman

    ...

    You can get like 3 414's for the price of one U87.


    Hey ! now there's an idea, for the price of the U87 get three C 414, make one a TLII for vocal work and get a stereo pair of BULS.
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