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Addicted Drums 2
I have been a long user of Cakewalk software, and love the Sonar X series, I upgrade right away, it seems like a slap in the face that only new users can get this upgrade to Addicted Drums 2. Just sayin.
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/19 19:52:52
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If you upgraded 'right away' and got X3 right after it came out then you've been using AD for at least 7 months. > 'it seems like a slap in the face' Well, if you want to beat yourself up just think - if you had held off of buying X3 till now you would not only have gotten AD2 for free but gotten a totally killer deal on Sonar as well.
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/19 20:08:36
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The upgrade price is fair. $79, or $99 if you get the Fairfax AD pak along with it which is WELL worth it.
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/19 20:14:06
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/19 20:51:18
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they really do keep sweetening the pot for those who haven't upgraded. first it was 15% off then it was $50 off then it was 2 free PC FX modules ($149 value) now its 2 free PC FX modules AND an AD2 upgrade ($228 value). it would be nice if we could get a PC sale once in a while to even out the field (*cough*... 50% off Concrete Limiter please :)
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/20 07:48:10
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I do agree that it is a little aggravating that those of us who have proven our loyalty to Cakewalk end up being left out of any sort of upgrade deal. I had used Cake products in other studios since 1998. It was those experiences that led to me setting up my own room and buy 8.5. I have upgraded every year since just as quick as the new versions became available. After that investment it seems a little hard to swallow that I only used AD1 for less than a year before having the door slammed shut when it comes to updating. I just don't see where this upgrade is worth the price but I explained before. A lot of the features in AD2 would not be used by me anyway. I play my drum tracks in from a controller or write them in the notation window. The only benefit would be an upgraded sound engine or better sampled kits. My major issue is how long before the kits for AD1 are no longer available and we are forced to upgrade. I don't like that word forced. I will continue to use Toontrack and BFD. I am not mad or ranting but this situation has made me question XLNs business ethics. I wonder if this is a Cakewalk decision by the new owners or is XLN holding out. I would gladly pay a reasonable amount of money for the upgrade but almost 100 dollars would almost buy EZD2 if I were just starting out buying drum software.
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/20 08:06:51
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We all know everything goes on sale after awhile. If you want the cheapest price don't be an early adopter. Rocky
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/20 08:06:51
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We all know everything goes on sale after awhile. If you want the cheapest price don't be an early adopter. Rocky
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/20 10:36:24
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That's just the point. I did not choose to use AD1. It was given as a freebie in X3! Then when you incorporate in to your workflow your left standing around after only 7 or 8 months being told, "Oh, BTW, that drum software we gave you is now dead and if you want to continue to use it you have to pay another 100 bucks for the new and improved." As I said before, I use Superior 2 as my goto in the studio. I would have liked to continue using AD on my live gigs because it loads so fast. I was just about ready to buy a brush kit from XLN but I don't think that will happen now. Why use an outdated kit with an outdated drum sampler. I don't like being forced to pay a pricey upgrade for something I have only gotten a few months of use out of. What do you do when they no longer support AD1? It all just leaves a bad taste.
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/20 11:20:54
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If AD1 was an installation that could be saved to disc it wouldn't be such an issue. But since the only way you can install it is thru an online installation...it makes you wonder how long one will be able to even install it. For those who actually PAID for AD1...they should get a FREE upgrade to AD2 IF XLN decided to remove the online installation for AD1. Honestly I can not see how XLN could legally do away with the AD1 installation without giving the AD1 owners a free upgrade since so many already own a legal "copy" (if you can call it a copy). People have hard drive issues all the time and have to reinstall their software. With a hard copy...it's not a big deal to reinstall, even if it's no longer supported by the company...but with an "online only" type of installation....you are at their mercy. JMHO
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/20 11:31:07
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2014/05/20 12:46:23
Lets be clear, this is XLN's doing, not Cakewalk. Also, they can legally do it because we bought a license to use the software, not the software itself and I'm pretty sure their End User License Agreement states that they can do exactly what they did. I am certain there are ways to protect your installation (disk image, etc) so that in the event of a hardware failure you can recover.
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/20 11:40:54
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Gawwuf I have been a long user of Cakewalk software, and love the Sonar X series, I upgrade right away, it seems like a slap in the face that only new users can get this upgrade to Addicted Drums 2. Just sayin.
Really? How much did you pay for Sonar and upgrades after that? How long have you had use of Sonar? I can't imagine why you would expect freebies, Sonar is tremendous value. And really do you need AD2? I'm rapidly concluding I don't need it. What is wrong with AD1? I agree with other posters, XLN should offer the ability to create an offline installer. [EDITED FOR TYPO - I wrote AD1 rather than AD2]
post edited by CakeAlexS - 2014/05/20 13:43:44
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/20 12:21:57
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This debate has no clear cut winner. Good point that someone else is a johnny come lately and gets more goodies at a cheaper price. Irritating no matter how you justify. One the other hand, I can see the point of hey, you did pay more and received less - but you got to use the software for several months before the discount buyers got on board. Been on both sides of that - CIP, I recently bought harrison mixbus for 19.99. I imagine there are more than a few loyal users of that software that feels a little raw after dropping a couple of bills on HMB only to see people like me get it for the same price of 2-person meal special at chili's. When HMB upgrades to V3.0, I'm in line for that as well. Waiting can be a good thing. Especially when you consider that we could record and produce successfully to the end of time with the tools we have now. In my opinion, this is the software companies' blunder. If we wait, it's proven to be a better financial decision of course given that we really have all we need now, and... I do.
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/20 12:37:51
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Honestly I thought what they did last time with the SONAR Content Club of the month was a great solution. It rewarded early adopters by giving them more perks but also enticed new purchasers with monthly incentives. Also, I'm just sour grapes that I missed out on the free CA-2A & AD2 upgrade...would have loved that!!
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/20 12:42:35
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I'm pretty sure you CAN do offline installs. Look around their site I'm pretty sure I read it there somewhere. Also, I have the brushes kit and it does upgrade when you do the AD2 upgrade. All the paks are upgraded to the new version with AD2. One last thing, AD1 will still be supported for the time being. How long that is I don't know. It was interesting programming the brushes. I've played drums lots of times but never the brushes. I learned that you have to start sweeps ahead of the beat, either by an 1/8 note or 1/4, depending on the sweep. Personally, I think it's worth the upgrade price because it sounds so much better. I even saying this and I'm stuck not using AD2 properly because the individual outs aren't working for me at presend. I'm stuck with the main outs only.
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/20 13:04:48
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Gawwuf I have been a long user of Cakewalk software, and love the Sonar X series, I upgrade right away, it seems like a slap in the face that only new users can get this upgrade to Addicted Drums 2. Just sayin.
dwardzala Lets be clear, this is XLN's doing, not Cakewalk. Also, they can legally do it because we bought a license to use the software, not the software itself and I'm pretty sure their End User License Agreement states that they can do exactly what they did. I am certain there are ways to protect your installation (disk image, etc) so that in the event of a hardware failure you can recover.
Is the actual gripe against "new users" getting a better deal at time of purchase than the early adopters? OR If we are going by the "logic" of the OP.........the people who bought X3 in March 2014 and got the free AD2 upgrade, should also be getting for free all future upgrades to AD3??? AD4??? AD5 etc....???
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/20 13:21:42
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All this speculation that they're going to stop supporting AD1 is just that - speculation. AD1 isn't dead - it's just not being sold anymore. XLN has a record of great customer service. They haven't said that they aren't going to stop supporting AD1, kill the licensor/installer mechanism - just not sell it anymore. The add-on packs will now include the AD2 player. So if you only want an add-on pack or two you don't have to upgrade to AD2 (previously you had to own the base package to use any of the add-on packs) - you can buy it and use it with the included AD2 engine, you just won't be able to use it in conjunction with the AD1. But hey (the nonbackward compatibility) that isn't out of line with way most plug-ins work.
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/20 13:56:42
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There's nothing to stop you from continuing to use AD1 except the knowledge that AD2 is lurking out there, taunting you to upgrade. I know that this is hard for many us - I mean this is software ! How can I be a man if I don't own the latest release and have it installed on all my computers? Could I live without my wife rolling her eyes yet again as I try to explain the benefits of upgrading something she doesn't understand or care about? Her tender, loving comments of 'didn't that do-hicky you bought last week do the same thing?' and others just serve to remind me of the emptiness that comes of not having something new to install... ...Steven
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/20 14:00:30
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Guitarpima I'm pretty sure you CAN do offline installs. Look around their site I'm pretty sure I read it there somewhere.
Not really I'm afraid: http://www.xlnaudio.com/support-knowledge_base-offline_installation_of_addictive_drums There might be a hack to nick the installer package from the temporary folders during an install however this has bypassed me so far. The problem is what happens if XLN went bust and their package/registration servers went permanently offline? BTW really I do like online installers as long as they allow me to back up the package (Native Instruments Service Centre for instance is a classic example). I hope Cakewalk does something as slick as XLN online installer (that also allows me to backup the packages so it isn't required to be online) with X4/X5.
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/20 14:08:14
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AD1 is dead? Oh no! I will always remember where I was and what I was doing when I heard the news. RIP AD1.
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/20 14:18:55
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This is true for almost every piece of software we own. If NI goes bust tomorrow, no more Kontakt installs. Anything that needs to be "activated" won't work without the support of the vendor. I doubt XLN would deliberately fore users to upgrade by turning off activations for AD1 anytime soon. It may happen, but I'd bet it's at least a few years away. Having said that, I'm also quite sure that AD2 will be on sale at some point during 2014... Regards, Dan
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/20 14:28:59
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If you get the install packages at least it's likely somebody (or even the company itself) might release a hack/patch to get around the activation in the event of death and possible lawsuits. No install packages no chance.
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/21 08:16:11
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After reading this thread I'm getting this strange sense of deja vu...
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/21 11:53:00
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AD is great for customer service. the company is owned by musicians just like us. with the release of toontracks new EZ Drummer 2 im guessing they are bouncing a little perc our way, for new users of sonar, or new buyers I should say. lets not ruin it for others to enjoy this upgrade and not feel guilty. this happens every single year, the price goes down, there is a deal included. we shouldn't be surprised. think about though, seriously, don't we have enough toys to play with ? we're musicians, we're compulsive, we want it, then when we get it, we don't use it. :-)
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/21 13:06:16
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The lesson you learn here is wait 8 months to a year before you upgrade. That way software is cheaper and more reliable. I don't see any benefit in being an immediate upgrader nowadays unless you really need a feature, and that's fine. It's always been this way.
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/21 13:54:56
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2014/05/21 14:40:04
+1 for XLN's customer service. I mentioned my individual outs did not work. I was in contact with them and just under a week later, AD2 is updated and everything works now!
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/21 18:26:49
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chuckebaby we're musicians, we're compulsive, we want it, then when we get it, we don't use it. :-)
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/21 19:32:03
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Sidroe That's just the point. I did not choose to use AD1. It was given as a freebie in X3! Then when you incorporate in to your workflow your left standing around after only 7 or 8 months being told, "Oh, BTW, that drum software we gave you is now dead and if you want to continue to use it you have to pay another 100 bucks for the new and improved." As I said before, I use Superior 2 as my goto in the studio. I would have liked to continue using AD on my live gigs because it loads so fast. I was just about ready to buy a brush kit from XLN but I don't think that will happen now. Why use an outdated kit with an outdated drum sampler. I don't like being forced to pay a pricey upgrade for something I have only gotten a few months of use out of. What do you do when they no longer support AD1? It all just leaves a bad taste.
Hi Sidroe. I always like reading your posts and respect your opinion, but isn't the bold hi-lighted above a bit over the top? I mean , one can still use AD1. Or am I missing something?
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/21 20:02:33
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Sidroe That's just the point. I did not choose to use AD1. It was given as a freebie in X3! Then when you incorporate in to your workflow your left standing around after only 7 or 8 months being told, "Oh, BTW, that drum software we gave you is now dead and if you want to continue to use it you have to pay another 100 bucks for the new and improved." As I said before, I use Superior 2 as my goto in the studio. I would have liked to continue using AD on my live gigs because it loads so fast. I was just about ready to buy a brush kit from XLN but I don't think that will happen now. Why use an outdated kit with an outdated drum sampler. I don't like being forced to pay a pricey upgrade for something I have only gotten a few months of use out of. What do you do when they no longer support AD1? It all just leaves a bad taste.
Hi Sidroe. I always like reading your posts and respect your opinion, but isn't the bold hi-lighted above a bit over the top? I mean , one can still use AD1. Or am I missing something?
As far as I know the XLN model isn't like Adobe where you have to subscribe and when something new comes out, the previous version stops working unless you keep your subscription. AD1 still works fine on my computer, so I assume it still works on other peoples' computers as well.
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Re: Addicted Drums 2
2014/05/21 20:08:26
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Truth in advertising. It is named "Addictive Drums" right?
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