Not with a redesign. You will find some hardware configurations of various products will hiccup even long beta  milestones. We all use different video cards, audio devices, even possibly different revisions of drivers and dlls. The bakers will fix it ;)

Bub


I think it's reasonable to expect that if you have a solid 8.5 DAW, that X1 should work solid too, or no?

I think we pretty much hear that one every time a new version comes out.

And Billy, I think you'll be the first to admit that you have a history of weird things happening when new versions come out. You're obviously cursed.

ba_midi

A1MixMan


Sounds to me like ba midi is having some kind of hardware conflick or other software even. Who know at this point.

Who knows is right.  But it's up to 8 crashes now.  And I haven't changed any hardware or anything.  All I did was install X1 and try to use/learn it so far.

Something is awry, as they say.   I'm well within the specs for X1 and my system is very "up to date" in all aspects - and has run smooth for a very long time now.

Of course I'm upset and may whine a bit, but I'm still a Sonar kind of guy and will see this through.

Hey, though I don't want to sound patronizing, I feel you. You are an expert user, you know what should work and I want to make sure you understand that just because I'm giving a more rosy story, does NOT mean I'm saying there are not plenty of issues.

gtgarner


As I've read Ba-Midi's posts - I dont think that this is his problem at all, so I'm not responding to his posts, but there are folks who are using X1 on computers that are not dedicated to Sonar.  Their systems are connected to 3 printers, a scanner, virus scan running in the background, 2 video cards attached, browsing the internet,  making coffee and walking the dog and they wonder why Sonar is crashing.

They go into task manager and there are 204 programs running in the backgound. 

If Sonar is working on a number of systems without a flaw, then I'm thinking.......that its a system issue with the crashers.

I've restarted X1 no less than 50 times today. I've changed folders preferences / opened 8.5 projects and run them / started a new projects / etc . I've even tried to run both X1 and 8.5 together - to which 8.5 wouldn't start with X1 running...but there was no "crash".

And I understand exactly what you are saying as well. Like I said, I'm torn because problems don't necessarily mean "user error" (though in my case they might surely be LOL )

ba_midi

3) There is a manual. It's via online help chm file as 8.5 was. It's fully searchable, etc.

 
Not the same as the PDF Reference Guide -- which was a breeze to use, and could be used outside the program.
 
CHM style help is also a tad outdated and harder to navigate.
 
 

You don't need Sonar to open the CHM file. You may find the help file under Programs/Cakewalk...

For 64bit users, don't forget to run X1 as "administrator".  Otherwise there may be some other programs that will take priority over X1.

Just a tip.

Well - just to add some remarks here...

As far as I can see the new X1 is a big change interface-wise. It should not be surprising most bugs are related to the interface (apart from crashing, but I will come to that later). It would not surprise anyone that in the first release there are things that have to be ironed out. If you look at all possible configurations of DAW hard- and software, i think it is safe to say that it would be very difficult to find two persons here with the same set-up. With so many possible configurations it is very difficult for a software designer to test every little bit on every possible configuration. Well - it might be possible, but I guess they want the software out by now, and not ten years later.  Remember - even Microsoft with thousands and thousands of developers and 6 years of development time where not able to put out a product without any fault.

Also take into consideration a lot of problems could not be related to X1 solely, but as a combination of some older and obscure software, or even new software. A few years ago I bought a graphical program that was instantly crashing the moment I started it up. I was very annoyed and blamed the software developers - until I found out the problem was related to the new graphical driver that came out AFTER the software was developed and sold. So - the program developers could not possible be held responsible for the problems, but the driver developers where. I hope this illustrate how difficult it is to take every possible permutation of hard- and software in consideration.

That is the reason I always buy a product (whatever it is) on release time an put it on a test system (or on the same system if I am sure nothing would brake). Only after some thorough testing (and maybe some updates), I put the product on a production system. Doing anything else is just taking unnecessary risks. I do this with EVERY critical piece of software, and I strongly suggest the same to anyone else. Don not forget - most of us already have a (more or less) perfect working 8.5 system. Jus have some patience while the quirks are ironed out. I guess it wont take that long...

I'll say it again. SONAR X1 is not a new piece of software. It might have a new naming convention but its built on the code that came before it; that is SONAR 8.5 , 8, 7 etc. There's been some code added and some modified and perhaps even some removed but it's not a new program it's only the latest release.

We are a nice bunch!

I think cake took a pounding today. not to say there weren't very valid issues. re: ba-midi who I felt kept his composure and is being positive. but a few others (i wont mention names were stirring the pot, so to speak, with their own agenda (whom joined the forum just days ago. hummm interesting.no?)) but Brandon and Seth took all punches on the chin well, were trying to be helpful but seemed to get tired of the constant barrage. kudos to them, and Cake. I know they'll work out most of the bugs.
IMO as far as this OP thread's meaning was actually NOT honest. I think it was meant to push buttons, but its the internet. what else should we expect. rife with snide remarks and finger pointing.

my .2 cents


edit: i concur with all the point made but the poster above.  the manual not being included was a major screw up. but easily remedied. <smack head emo here>

edit 2:   Brandon and Seth, they're still at it trying to help. Honestly I don't think this kind or amount of interaction between staff and users happens anywhere else. that's a BIG PLUS right there.

This forum has developed a truly tiresome culture. When you get to people criticising a company for getting out patches fast, you have to conclude that such people are bending over backwards to find things to complain about.

There are some smart people here, but they're drowned out far too much by the relentlessly negative and the clueless. I think I'm going to have to start giving this place a miss.

Like John T and Benstat, I am surprised that we're being criticized for releasing a patch within weeks after X1 shipping. I can't tell you how many times we've had people tell us that we were too slow to release patches.

I notice the same thing with what we've done with the Skylight interface. For years people have been screaming for a new GUI. Now we give it to them and then some by not only making the GUI look better, but also function better, and still some people complain about that.

And back to the OPs question, X1 was far from rushed. This is the longest release cycle I've been a part of, and quite frankly it needed to be as the changes from 8.5 to X1 were far greater and deeper on a development level than anything we've done in, well, perhaps the history of SONAR.

I can't go in to too many specifics but we even pushed back the release as far as possible so that the release would be as stable and feature rich as possible. We did this for one reason and one reason alone; so you the customer would have the best out of box experience possible.

Is X1 perfect and totally bug free? Nope, and I'm not claiming that it is. But that's why we've had a plan for a patch to be released as soon as possible all along.

I'm off starting some new threads. "Are cakewalk IN LEAGUE with the NORTH KOREANS?" "Is X1 secretly part of IRAN'S WEAPONS PROGRAMME?" "Is the ProChannel a DELIBERATE ATTEMPT to make BABY JESUS CRY?"

+1 to Melmyers.

Anyone that is serious about making music wouldn't go diving into a first release product and having to live with the bugs and crashes - kinda ruins your workflow. Right now 8.5.3 works fine for me. I'll keep an eye on X1 and Pro Tools 9 and see what develops once the QQ'ing calms down. I do not envisage upgrading for at least 6 months - hell, maybe i'll wait until the next major release and get one of those deals right before release that tends to make everyone fume :)

Mick.

Bub

RogerS

You're right. It's not the questions, the problem is the troll-like comments coming from some.

Ahhh ... and the name calling begins.

It was a pretty clean discussion up until that point.

Yeah, and it's like he was just 'lurking'..waiting to 'flame' someone lol. Who's the troll really?