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Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
Hopefully someone more knowledgeable with settings can clear this up for me!
I have a clip full of MIDI notes. The second half of it is empty. All I want to do is copy the notes in the first half and paste them into the second half.
However, if I lasso-select all of these notes, the entire clip as a unit is selected, so that when I paste them into the second half, it overlays a whole new clip of the same size starting from that point. I don't want to create a new clip, I just want to paste the notes into the existing clip.
I'm not sure what's going on here with selection. If I lasso-select all of the notes except one, just those notes are selected, and not the whole clip. Therefore when I paste them into the second half, it just pastes the notes without creating a new clip.
So I'm guessing the rule here is: if you select all of the notes in a clip, the whole clip itself will be selected, and you'll be creating a new clip if you copy and paste them. If you select anything less than all the notes, then just the notes will be selected and you'll be merely pasting the notes by themselves if you copy and paste them.
Not sure I understand the logic behind this....but I'd certainly like to turn it off because it's stopping me from doing what I want to do. Any suggestions?
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 14:17:56
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I use the PRV for that stuff
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 14:24:35
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In Track view. Split the clip in half, delete the empty half select the first half , copy and paste it to where the deleted half was.
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 14:25:04
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I use the PRV for that stuff
I am using the PRV. I am selecting and pasting the notes in the PRV, but when I select all of the notes in the clip in order to paste them elsewhere in the clip, it selects the whole clip and creates a whole new clip when I paste them. But when I select anything less than all of the notes, it just selects the notes themselves and doesn't create a new clip when I paste them.
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 14:26:29
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Split the clip in half, delete the empty half select the first half , copy and paste it to where the delete half was.
I did think about that as a workaround, but really I shouldn't have to do that...I should be able to just select some notes and paste them anywhere in a clip without it creating a new clip. This is expected editing functionality and I'm sure I must be able to do what I want to without creating a new clip. A setting maybe? I can't find one...
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 14:30:03
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In PRV lasso the notes you want and while holding down (I think) the control key drag the hilighted notes to where you want them and let go.
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 14:32:51
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You could also try lasso-selecting across the mid-point of the first and last notes instead of around them, just in case there's something about the clip extents coming into play.
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 14:36:06
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Maybe try dragging the edge of the clip out longer before you double click it to open PRV?
I just tried editing a midi clip, I lasso'd all the notes and copied them to another measure right after and it automatically made the clip longer, it didn't create another one. I'm wondering if there's a setting somewhere that enables this to happen? I looked, but I don't see anything that jumps out at me.
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 14:39:03
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Got it!
Groove clips do this when you edit them in PRV.
It must be a groove clip.
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 15:11:26
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Not a groove clip :(
Try making a clip of one bar and putting a few MIDI notes in there. Then extend the clip to two bars. Now, lasso all of the notes you made. Does this select the whole clip? Next try selecting all of the notes but one. In the clips pane, only the part of the clip that encompasses the notes is selected. Same for you?
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 15:17:11
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I'm not following. I copy, Ctrl + Lasso, Drag Drop all the time in the PRV and the clip just updates automatically. Is that what you are trying to do?
One thing that I've had happen a few times is once the notes are dropped a couple of them are no longer highlighted. Sometimes I want to Ctrl + Drag them again but I have to manually reselect those notes. Weird bug.
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 15:31:22
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Hmm. Maybe I'll knock up a graphic when I get home later to show you what I mean.
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 15:43:54
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sharke
Not a groove clip :(
Try making a clip of one bar and putting a few MIDI notes in there. Then extend the clip to two bars. Now, lasso all of the notes you made. Does this select the whole clip? Next try selecting all of the notes but one. In the clips pane, only the part of the clip that encompasses the notes is selected. Same for you?
I just tried it again. I made a clip one measure in length, with 4 notes in it. I lasso copied the notes and pasted them to measure 2 and it extended the length of the original clip to 2 measures. I set it all back to 1 measure, right clicked, and made it a Groove Clip. I lasso'd all the notes in the 1 measure clip, pasted them at the 2 measure point, and it made a new clip. There has to be a setting some where.
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 15:45:00
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Once I set it to be a Groove Clip, even if I only select some of the notes, it still creates a whole new clip.
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 15:51:45
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If you give me a text based step by step I can try to duplicate it. I just turned off my DAW (was gonna try to do some work today but I feel like crap... some **** rang my phone at 7am for some stupid reason) but I'm still sitting in my studio for a while.
I'm pretty sure the workflow I have going will provide the results you want but I'm not sure if I'm understanding what you are trying to do. The main thing that is tripping me up is when you say "create a clip". I'd normally do this by just selecting the track then opening Views > PRV then entering my notes. I don't know how to create an empty MIDI clip.
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 15:53:20
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lol... the word I typed isn't 4 letters. Guess I should have typed "arse cavity" instead. Hilarious.
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 16:14:27
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OK:
1) Record a bar's worth of MIDI notes (e.g. 4 kick notes)
2) Extend the resultant clip to 2 bars and open it in the PRV
3) In the PRV, lasso all of the notes. Don't lasso over the clip boundary.
Does doing so select the entire clip in the clips pane? It does for me. And when I try to paste those notes into the empty part of the clip, it creates a whole new clip on top of the first one.
Now try selecting all of the notes but one. When I do that, the only part of the clip that appears selected in the clip pane, is the part that encompasses the notes I selected. It doesn't select the whole clip. And when I paste those notes into the empty part of the clip, it just pastes the notes without creating a new clip.
Hope that makes sense - I typed it on my phone :)
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 16:28:56
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Firing up the rig now to try but one thing that comes to mind is some of the odd selection behavior in X2. I have made it a habit to constantly press Ctrl + Shift + A (Select None) before making any editing moves. Sounds like that might be causing your problem.
Gonna try it out now though.
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 16:40:26
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Just tried the first part with and without doing the Ctrl + Shift + A and neither way is creating a new clip. I also tried staying within the clip range and extending beyond it when I did my copy drag and still didn't get a duplicate clip.
Might be a setting somewhere you've enabled. I'm trying to scour my brain for what it could be.
I'll let you know if I think of something. Cheers.
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 16:47:58
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Nope... just tried Replace Old with New and poked around the preferences... can't think of anything. Are you doing the Copy Drag in the full PRV or the Inline PRV?
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 16:58:41
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And just to be clear it does Select the whole clip when I copy the notes but once I drop them the clip is deselected and there is only the Range of where I dropped the notes selected. Is this only happening in one project, sharke? I've had projects go all wonk on me as far as selection issues. It's an enormous problem with X2.
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 17:00:30
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You probably need to shrink the clip down to a length that just includes the Midi events.
Right click it and select "Apply Trimming"
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 17:04:00
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Firing up the rig now to try but one thing that comes to mind is some of the odd selection behavior in X2. I have made it a habit to constantly press Ctrl + Shift + A (Select None) before making any editing moves. Sounds like that might be causing your problem.
Gonna try it out now though.
That bit me the other night. I was highlighting some clips and chopping them up, and I even made sure nothing else was selected, and sure enough, I was chopping up everything in the project. I'm sure that's gotta be fixed in the next update. That's a bad one. 
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 17:10:27
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Firing up the rig now to try but one thing that comes to mind is some of the odd selection behavior in X2. I have made it a habit to constantly press Ctrl + Shift + A (Select None) before making any editing moves. Sounds like that might be causing your problem.
Gonna try it out now though.
That bit me the other night. I was highlighting some clips and chopping them up, and I even made sure nothing else was selected, and sure enough, I was chopping up everything in the project. I'm sure that's gotta be fixed in the next update. That's a bad one.
Sometimes it doesn't matter what you do. Clips just somehow get linked randomly and you can do jack to them without it effecting the other tracks. Sometimes you can go through the entire project while holding Ctrl and deselecting but when it starts happening I just lock all the other clips. It's a real piss off and I'm not sure why there aren't more complaints about it or why it wasn't mentioned in the X2a fixes. Doesn't happen all the time but once it gets into a project it refuses to go away. MIDI, Audio... doesn't matter. But as I said... locking down everything else works and that's probably a good habit to get into anyway. It just makes it's next to impossible to screw something up.
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 17:15:17
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OK:
1) Record a bar's worth of MIDI notes (e.g. 4 kick notes)
2) Extend the resultant clip to 2 bars and open it in the PRV
3) In the PRV, lasso all of the notes. Don't lasso over the clip boundary.
Does doing so select the entire clip in the clips pane? NO - just the range encompassing the start & end points of the selected notes are highlighted on my system
It does for me. And when I try to paste those notes into the empty part of the clip, it creates a whole new clip on top of the first one.
Now try selecting all of the notes but one. When I do that, the only part of the clip that appears selected in the clip pane, is the part that encompasses the notes I selected. It doesn't select the whole clip. And when I paste those notes into the empty part of the clip, it just pastes the notes without creating a new clip.
Hope that makes sense - I typed it on my phone :)
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 22:54:07
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Thanks for all your help everyone, I appreciate it. However, I'm still not sure that I've explained the situation clearly (I find it hard to put computer operations into words sometimes) so I'm going to try a demonstration with pictures this time! Let me know what you think: In this first image, observe the clip in the clip pane. It's 2 bars long and the 2nd bar is empty. What I want to do is copy the notes in the first bar to the second bar. As you can see, I'm selecting all of the notes in the PRV. My selection doesn't overlap the clip boundary in any way:  In this next image, you can see the result of this selection in the clips pane. The whole of the clip is selected:  Now let's try again, but only selecting some of the notes:  As you can see in the next image, the entire clip is not selected. Only the part of the clip that encompasses the selected notes is highlighted:  Because only the notes are selected and not the entire clip, I can paste these copied notes elsewhere in the clip without a new clip being created and overlaid on top of the first clip. So the behavior I'm getting is that when I select all of the notes in a clip, Sonar selects the entire clip as a unit. When I select just some of the clips, Sonar will just select those notes, and highlight only the part of the clip that the notes encompass. I hope this is clear now. If you aren't seeing this on your system, it has to be a setting that I have somewhere, although I just can't seem to find anything it might be. I really need to get to the bottom of this!
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 23:32:52
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I just checked it Sharke, it does the same thing here in regards to when it highlights the entire clip, and just part of it.
If I Lasso all the notes, it highlights the entire clip and turns it gray.
If I Lasso a few notes, it only shades the area of the clip where I selected the notes.
I tried to copy and paste all the notes to the end, and it extended the clip.
I tried to copy and paste some of the notes to the end, and it extended the clip.
I right clicked on the clip and made it a Groove Clip and selected all of the notes, pasted them, and it made a second clip.
I right clicked on the clip and made it a Groove Clip and selected some of the notes, pasted them, and it made a second clip, only shorter.
Making the clip a Groove Clip is the only way I can duplicate your problem of a second clip being created.
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 23:51:31
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post edited by chuckebaby - 2013/02/12 00:00:57
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 23:54:22
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sorry,i may have jumped the gun. the issue im finding is this. when using contr +c to copy a string of notes in a clip. pasting those notes somewhere else is also pasting the clip lenth along with it. which in turn is adding a whole new layer along with your paste.
post edited by chuckebaby - 2013/02/12 00:03:00
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Re:Annoying problem regarding note/clip selection
2013/02/11 23:56:37
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Bub
I just checked it Sharke, it does the same thing here in regards to when it highlights the entire clip, and just part of it.
If I Lasso all the notes, it highlights the entire clip and turns it gray.
If I Lasso a few notes, it only shades the area of the clip where I selected the notes.
I tried to copy and paste all the notes to the end, and it extended the clip.
I tried to copy and paste some of the notes to the end, and it extended the clip.
I right clicked on the clip and made it a Groove Clip and selected all of the notes, pasted them, and it made a second clip.
I right clicked on the clip and made it a Groove Clip and selected some of the notes, pasted them, and it made a second clip, only shorter.
Making the clip a Groove Clip is the only way I can duplicate your problem of a second clip being created.
Thanks for trying that out Bub. A couple of things: In the first case, when you tried to copy all of the notes into the second half of the clip, why would it extend the clip? The notes in question (in my diagram anyway) are no longer than one bar long, so pasting them into the second bar shouldn't extend the clip any longer than it is. Also, if selecting all of the notes results in the entire clip being selected, I don't see how that wouldn't result in a whole new clip being created when you paste them. After all, when you hit CTRL-C to copy the notes at that point, it copies whatever the selection is. And at that point, the whole clip is selected. So this is what should happen: 1) You select all of the notes 2) The whole clip is selected (as shown above) 3) You hit CTRL-C to copy the notes 4) The current selection, which is the whole clip, is copied to the clipboard 5) You hit CTRL-V and the whole clip is pasted.
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