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Another gui bug in multiple monitors
Besides not being able to use the Saturation knob from a second monitor of a different resolution, the "pin" feature for vst's does not work either...this is a little frustrating since if I am doing A/B comparisons between say a channel strip 1176 and a vst one the only way I can keep the vst window pinned is if I drag it to the primary monitor where it now blocks out wave forms or other things I want to see...
Those of you having the issue with Saturation knob in PC while using a different monitor with a different resolution can you duplicate this just to check?
And before the "experts" all start suggesting resetting the vst and picture cache and making sure i have newest drivers, I have already done all that it is a bug, thanks for asking.
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/20 02:24:21
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Pinning VST3s doesn't seem to work on a second monitor nor does having multiple VST3 plugin windows open simultaneously on a second monitor. Even when using the Ctrl key to over ride the default Recycle plugin Windows behaviour.
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/20 04:29:47
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mudgel
nor does having multiple VST3 plugin windows open simultaneously on a second monitor.
Works for me, what am I missing ?
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/20 04:37:04
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I can have them open on my primary monitor but whether I drag the Multidock to the 2nd monitor or not I can't have multiple VST3s open on that 2nd monitor. VST 2 no problem.
Even if I turn off Plugin window Recycle.
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/20 04:58:57
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I have no problem having multiple vst3's open on the second monitor, unlike the OP they are the same res, same model monitors.
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/20 05:15:45
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Same for me, identical monitors at identical resolution.
What else is on your 2nd monitor? Are there other screens like the console open underneath the plugins?
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/20 05:20:33
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I can own VST3s n the first monitor and drag them to the 2nd monitor but if I have the console open there as soon as I work on a plugin the others disappear and I can only ever bring one to the front again. On the main monitor I can do whatever I want and over ride the Recycle plugin widow if I choose to. On the 2 nd monitor I can only instantiate VST2 plugins simultaneous.
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/20 05:24:21
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Yeah I have the console view and or PRV on the second monitor
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/20 07:55:19
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Psychobillybob
And before the "experts" all start suggesting resetting the vst and picture cache and making sure i have newest drivers, I have already done all that it is a bug, thanks for asking.
Us 'experts' didn't ask but many thanks for stating this before we had to ask it saves a lot of time and button pushing, however the picture cache and resetting vst's is not relevant. Knowing people's configuration is helpful.
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/20 08:06:29
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Is anybody using utilities that toggle multiple desktops?
Also try disabling any software such as display control panel software that stays in resident memory looking for hotkey combinations.
Regardless by the look of it this scenario is dependant on where the console is reading the posts here if others can confirm.
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/20 09:19:32
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I had to check this before I chimed in, but have different monitors (27" Acer 1920x1080, and old Gateway 21" 1680x1050) and can open multiple VST3s on the Gateway. I use "Extended" for Display mode when I enable the second monitor, and I started throwing VST3s on tracks (they actually open with the left edge on the second monitor anyway) until I got it too cluttered. No issues with this (I did not use the multi-dock).
What video card, monitors, and "violating VST3s" is the OP using?
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/20 09:51:40
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I haven't had any problem putting VST3s or any plugins with CV and not CV.on my second monitor. I don't use the multidock for that.
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/20 11:35:09
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nVidia Geoforce GTX 470 using the dual DVI outputs...SamSung Sync Master @1680 x 1050 primary Westinghouse L1928NV @ 1280 x 1024 as secondary...I have turned off all nvidia extra services (*but want to keep the streamer service going because I unload some of my vst's onto the gpu via Cuda Cores) in checking though I did disable all services proggys other than basic drivers...
The vst's can remain pinned if I X out of the console view in second monitor but it sort of defeats the purpose, maybe I am missing the point of the pin function, I was under the impression that pinning something kept it "on top" of the video window, which is not the case in this scenario...however it IS the case in the primary monitor...
Frankly it's an eye candy issue for me, I can work around it and do, but it does suggest a bug of sorts because the behavior is not consistent between the monitors.
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/20 17:46:25
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☄ Helpfulby Psychobillybob 2015/03/20 18:30:20
Hi.
There is already filed a problem report on the saturation knob issue. I had this on X3e x64 as well as on SPLAT x64 (incl. update). I am getting more and more convinced that this is a bug, and not a settings issue. Had a teamviewer session with a cool representative from Cakewalk, and he found no problems with my settings (Win7 x64, or SONAR X3e) or my installations (DAW and plugs). This is a dedicated Studio pc, with nothing more than audio related software (DAW and plugins).
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/20 19:16:43
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It could be that things work fine if the second monitor is on the right, but fail if the second monitor is to the left. This is because when the second monitor is to the left, all X coordinates on it are negative. These are valid coordinates, but some applications do silly things like check if a coordinate is negative and fail in some way, or range-limit coordinates from 0 to some positive value, causing things to break. Temporarily re-arrange your monitors in Control Panel > Display > Screen Resolution so that the second monitor is to the right, and see if the problem persists.
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/20 19:46:40
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My secondary is above my primary...so no...I've changed resolutions and configs...its a bug
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/20 20:56:00
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Psychobillybob
My secondary is above my primary...so no...I've changed resolutions and configs...its a bug
That would mean negative Y coordinates, so that same issue can apply. You can test this by temporarily moving it to the right or the bottom. Yes it is a bug for sure, just trying to narrow it down a bit and see why only some people experience the issue.
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/20 21:11:27
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My second monitor is to the left as well, but I admit that I have never used the "pin function" once. I also do not often dock a VST, so leave the UIs open on the second monitor in a floating fashion. The most common use of how I use this is two instances of Voxengo's SPAN before and after an EQ insert.
Just because others cannot replicate an issue does not invalidate that the OP is seeing it. It is definitely worth taking the time to submit a problem report on this if desired.
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/20 21:22:50
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Thanks for the thoughts and suggestions, I have changed my primary/secondary monitors and reversed them (using the smaller monitor as primary) also reset resolutions until both were using the same (defaulting to the smaller monitors settings) in ALL instances the Saturation knob is the ONLY PC module that has issues and the pin function does not remain on top of the window in second monitor...so yeah it's a bug...if I could get it to work by downsizing my resolutions I could live with it being some kind of video flux but since the saturation module shows up blank and does not respond to user controls (and is the only one doing it) and the vst's remain pinned in the primary monitor I am going to stick to my own observations that it's a code issue...again I am not big into eye candy so the visual falls well below the thresh hold of priority for me, but since it is a code issue (in my opinion) the issue comes down to user control NOT producing the desired outcome via code control...as always your mileage may vary.
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/20 22:22:04
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☄ Helpfulby Psychobillybob 2015/03/20 22:39:54
I have three monitors. My TV is on the big LED television screen (at a lower resolution) on the wall and the CV is floating and stretched over two 22" monitors. If I try to pin plugins over the CV they will end up under the CV and I have to move the CV to get to them again. Like the OP, if I keep the plugins over the TV on the big screen, the plugins remain on top. It would be nice to get this addressed. EDIT: FWIW, it doesn't matter if the plug is VST2 or VST3.
post edited by Dave Modisette - 2015/03/20 22:29:16
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/21 02:50:30
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If I stretch my whole Sonar view across 2 screens everything works as expected but if I leave Sonar on the main monitor (left) and place the multidock, console or any other screen on the 2nd (right) monitor then any VST3s over the top of that view will only show one plugin at a time.
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/21 11:14:30
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☄ Helpfulby Psychobillybob 2015/03/21 12:14:01
My details... on the larger monitor, i have no issues, unless i drag something from the smaller to the larger one.
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Yesterday i had a few issues that i did not document, and after a quick check today the saturation knob plug on the secondary monitor was still an issue... also i could not get a VSTi (oatmeal) to dock in the multidock. Multiple VST3s seem to dock/undock/float as expected on the main monitor, but if i try to open multiple ones on the second monitor w the multidock, they float behind the multidock, but i can move them to the main screen then back over the multidock.
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/21 17:27:14
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I do also have my second monitor above (have tried all mentioned suggestions, without any change). I will try moving the second monitor to the right, to see if there is any difference. Will report back.
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/23 14:40:16
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☄ Helpfulby Psychobillybob 2015/03/23 17:41:39
The saturation knob gui is visible, and tweakable when I move my second monitor to the right(but second monitor is mounted above  ). Still have an issue with only one vst in front of the console on my second monitor.
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/23 17:39:47
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Thanks, I tried that as well and got the same results you have indicated...really weird behavior...
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/23 18:46:31
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Yes, it is kind of strange. But now that more than one person have tried different "layouts" / solutions and having the same issue, it might be easier to find a solution to this. Lets hope 
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/23 20:58:48
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If doing a virtual re-arranging of the monitors makes it work for you, then what you can do is make the leftmost/topmost monitor be your virtual "main" monitor, and then drag the taskbar over to your "second" monitor. It will mostly work correctly except that when opening new instances of applications, they will probably open on the leftmost/topmost monitor so you will need to drag them to your "main" monitor. It is not ideal but might be better than having some features not work at all.
Doing the above will ensure there are no negative coordinates on any of the monitors.
Of course this is absolutely still a bug in the software that has this issue and should be fixed.
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/23 23:45:07
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It's really not much of an issue to me since the saturation knob is simply the amount of acceptable digital distortion you want to load into a track, it is not a module I would ever use, I have much better tools for that...BUT since it is only ONE MODULE that does this (and the vst pin thing) it is a bug that indicates not everything under the hood is clamped down properly...I am not interested in work-arounds but I do appreciate the advice, my issue has always been the code itself not behaving as advertized...
I have not gone through the EULA with a fine tooth comb, probably standard boilerplate non-responsibility clauses throughout, chances are multiple monitors with different resolutions in a vertical mode is not something the code team attempted, so the issue is probably a very minor one in the grand scheme of lines of code running ITB...
MY only concern has always been that if you cannot grab a Saturation Knob and turn it in the scenario provided are there other issues as well that simply have not been discovered yet?
I for one would settle for much less eye candy in trade for complete robust DAW consistency...the issue adds a bit of distortion to an otherwise clean stability program...the fact that more than one user has experienced it gives it credibility.
I am sure they are working on it...well no I am not sure of that, I am sure they have been told, and thats enough for me.
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/24 07:20:37
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☄ Helpfulby Psychobillybob 2015/03/24 13:31:46
I would rather do as I have done so far. I tweak the saturation knob on my main monitor (in the inspector view / Prochannel), and use my console view (on my second monitor) for the rest. I still hope it get resolved, as it is a bit of a hassle to have to use workarounds in an otherwise great DAW.
post edited by Zargg71 - 2015/03/24 07:35:03
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Re: Another gui bug in multiple monitors
2015/03/30 17:27:52
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☄ Helpfulby Psychobillybob 2015/03/30 17:57:37
After updating to Cambridge, I still have the same issues as I had earlier. Both with the Saturation knob, and only one vst showing on the second monitor.
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