alexoosthoek
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Another serious question
What do you want the CH to be?
A place where we can sort copy another one's post
The real CH where we care and help the next person
Ben's place(sorry, but I needed to say that)
Pls think real hard before answering.
End of speech from uncle Alex :)
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Re:Another serious question
2012/04/16 19:31:16
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A place for creative thought, wit and humour and sharing something of ourselves suits me. Competitive post count padding has got old, well any kind of competitive posting for that matter is a turn-off for me. Help has a place, mutual enrichment is a better idea. It all finds it's own level in the end anyway, I guess it's natural that people just want to blow off steam after the nastiness of the weekend.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2012/04/16 19:34:28
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Re:Another serious question
2012/04/16 19:39:38
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alexoosthoek
What do you want the CH to be?
A place where we can sort copy another one's post
The real CH where we care and help the next person
Ben's place(sorry, but I needed to say that)
Pls think real hard before answering.
Well, I thought about this as long and hard as I usually think about everything else (it says you posted this 3 minutes ago). There's no such thing as the 'real CH'. It is what it is. You can't control who comes here, and shouldn't. I do think you guys are almost too kind ... well, no, I mean too trusting, not too kind, but that's what makes this place very special for the internet. I mean, Jeff's gotta be thinking, "Oh crap." as he peaks through his curtains out the window right about now if you know what I mean. I say you guys, because I don't really feel like part of the crew because I've never publicly stated my name/address like a lot of you. It's not because I've ever done anything wrong or anything like that. It's just that every time I start to feel comfortable something like what we saw happens and I'm glad I didn't. But ... unless I'm mistaken, Cakewalk set this up to be a place about OT music related discussion. So I think we should end every post with a question or comment about music. Such as, "Am." etc etc just to stay compliant. ;) I prefer Em myself. Sorry Bapu.   Seriously, I think this is a great place and wouldn't change a thing about it.
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alexoosthoek
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Re:Another serious question
2012/04/16 19:49:12
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Jonbouy
A place for creative thought, wit and humour and sharing something of ourselves suits me.
Competitive post count padding has got old, well any kind of competitive posting for that matter is a turn-off for me.
Help has a place, mutual enrichment is a better idea.
It all finds it's own level in the end anyway, I guess it's natural that people just want to blow off steam after the nastiness of the weekend.
Completely agree with you here Jon and blowing off steam is nessecarary after the last couple of days.
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Re:Another serious question
2012/04/16 19:55:31
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Bub
alexoosthoek
What do you want the CH to be?
A place where we can sort copy another one's post
The real CH where we care and help the next person
Ben's place(sorry, but I needed to say that)
Pls think real hard before answering.
Well, I thought about this as long and hard as I usually think about everything else (it says you posted this 3 minutes ago).
There's no such thing as the 'real CH'. It is what it is. You can't control who comes here, and shouldn't.
I do think you guys are almost too kind ... well, no, I mean too trusting, not too kind, but that's what makes this place very special for the internet. I mean, Jeff's gotta be thinking, "Oh crap." as he peaks through his curtains out the window right about now if you know what I mean. I say you guys, because I don't really feel like part of the crew because I've never publicly stated my name/address like a lot of you. It's not because I've ever done anything wrong or anything like that. It's just that every time I start to feel comfortable something like what we saw happens and I'm glad I didn't.
But ... unless I'm mistaken, Cakewalk set this up to be a place about OT music related discussion. So I think we should end every post with a question or comment about music. Such as, "Am." etc etc just to stay compliant. ;)
I prefer Em myself. Sorry Bapu.
Seriously, I think this is a great place and wouldn't change a thing about it.
Great post Bub! Yes. it is what it is and I certainly don't want it to be more controlled. That would sort of break the spitit of the CH, I think.
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Re:Another serious question
2012/04/16 20:03:43
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Re:Another serious question
2012/04/16 20:06:15
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I've done some thinking about this question the past little while myself. I think Steve nailed a lot of what I was about to say. There is a lot of good in the CH..a place where one can talk about health concerns, emotional concerns..I have struggled with depression pretty much most of my life, job concerns, and other things like that. That this is a strong community of people who help one another is a special kind of thing one does not always see in forums...
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Re:Another serious question
2012/04/16 20:24:34
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Hey there Barry, I think(really)this is the place where we can talk about problems and have a bit off fun without being judged.
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Re:Another serious question
2012/04/16 21:44:20
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Did I miss a meltdown? Nothing new here in the CH. We can't make the CH what we want. The diversity of individual inertia and talent is more diverse than we thought possible. Sometimes we don't have the answer to the individual problem. But this isn't the shrink tank for over extended recording artists and devotees to the art. This is the place to pose a question or idea that may or may not relavent to the craft, the art, the thing we are doing. If you have to suck the whole community into your vortex to do what you do, you need to re-evaluate your situation.
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Re:Another serious question
2012/04/16 22:46:07
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Crg
Did I miss a meltdown?
yes. yes you did. Alex - to answer your question, I am very much like minded with Bub on this (GASP! I know!  ). we can't control it, but we can shape our participation of it. I like it for what it is. as far as inane post counts and yada yada, and Am and +ya. who cares? if you don't care for that stuff then don't read it. it's just sillyness. we all need a little sillyness in our lives sometimes!
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Re:Another serious question
2012/04/16 22:52:22
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as far as inane post counts and yada yada, and Am and +ya. who cares? if you don't care for that stuff then don't read it. it's just sillyness. we all need a little sillyness in our lives sometimes! You're only saying that so you can stay in front of Bapu...  Seriously though, it's very important you stay in front, can you imagine how unbearable he would be.... 
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Re:Another serious question
2012/04/16 23:25:38
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I am a newbie here and what attracts me is the variety of ages, opinions, musical tastes and political leanings all with a common thread, we all use and love Cakewalk, some more than others, some have a warm place in their heart for older versions, some are complete fanbois.
A great deal of sillyness goes on here and sometimes it can be inane but sometimes it can be bloody hilarious.
There is so much crap being thrown at me (along with some good stuff) in the 'real' world that to come here and have a childish laugh and sometimes a meaningful chat with some like-minded, good hearted people is a great release.
Long live the Coffee House and all that sail in her
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Re:Another serious question
2012/04/16 23:30:05
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There are many forums that have a sub forum kind of like the CH. A place to unwind and have a laugh and discuss things that would not belong in any other part of the forum. I've seen serious disscussion here before, learned quite a bit, just not a prerequisite. Like any general discussion board. Why does it have to be more than what it is?
One thing I find unique about the CH is that it is relativly low on sour grapes compared to other OT forums on the net. Pretty close to rated G and without the common political/ religous wars erupting all the time. A place I come to read almost every morning with my coffee before work.
PS +1 to what Jon said Reece, please never let him catch you.
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Re:Another serious question
2012/04/17 01:33:02
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alexoosthoek
What do you want the CH to be?
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Pls think real hard before answering.
I want it to be a place where I don't have to think real hard before answering. (Just sayin'  )
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re:Another serious question
2012/04/17 08:32:14
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Clearly I'm a current outsider, new to the CH, but not new to the Cakewalk forums. I do however participate in other forums, one quite more so than others, that also have "Off Topic" sections and ultimately they are all very similar in nature with members that tend to only post in the "Off Topic" are, stay with the generally light (or personally serious) conversation, post things they find humorous, thought provoking, even disturbing in one way or another. They post about their lives, bands they like (and the ones they hate), their dogs/cats, ... They are all very similar.
Given all that I find similar (as what I would consider an outsiders view to the CH), as an observer over a little while now I can see one difference is exactly what has been mentioned before, the sheer number of spin-off thread titles and what amount to pointless threads.
Personally, I'm fine with it as I can just skip on by if a topic does not interest me or if it seems just to be a quippy turn of a topics wording, but I can understand to some how it does seem like a post count strategy or more simply one of things that make you go "Oooooooooo Kkkkkkkkkkkkk (you know that long drawn out responses as you roll your eyes a bit - you know what I'm talking about).
Take it or leave it - it's just an observation, quite possibly limited to me, myself, and I only, but it's out there.
As always, individual mileage may vary.
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Re:Another serious question
2012/04/17 09:52:49
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I've always enjoyed it has a place for those of us that
share the common interest of music to have a place to share
our other interests.
Unfortunately "other interests" can vary from sick to insane.
"Understanding" is the tough part. I could make a very long list
but it simply comes down to - people are different.
The scale to me is the balance of understanding and not understanding.
For instance;
I don't always understand British humor. Not a bad thing...just don't get it sometimes err
most of the time.
Here's a weird one..
Cakes TOS has no politics or religion but one can post a political or religious song...so
is it we just can't talk about either? Not saying it should be some other way...just saying
that's the way it is.
Easy to see that some things make sense to some while not making sense to others.
So Alex my answer is- what I want it to be doesn't matter. The issue is how much
of it I can understand or not.
Recently not very much has made any sense to me but maybe that's what the CH
is suppose to be.
I read where someone stated that the CH is known not to be a place for intelligent
conversations....maybe that's why I don't understand many things...just not smart enough.
There are people that will say and do anything...I'm the type that would rather acquire
distance opposed to confronting....much like dealing with snakes...I don't like snakes.
I do understand that the majority here don't mind playing with them and it sure draws
a crowd...something I don't understand and don't care to.
As you requested Alex. I tried to give my best in answering and I used spell checker too!
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Re:Another serious question
2012/04/17 10:35:24
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Way back before the "outhouse" blowup, I'd never come to the coffeehouse. Because it was a very unfriendly place with only a few people who were able to discuss the now forbidden topics calmly and in the good spirit of lively discussion. Then after the shutdown, hiatus, and reopening with new rules I thought I'd check it out. Turns out it's a nice place. Silly. Serious. Clique-ish but not unwelcoming. So I've hung out here more, posted some, made my own snark.
The thing that fascinates me is that it seems obvious how to keep it from falling apart, yet people won't do it. If everyone would just ignore the bad behaviour, it would very likely stop. Don't respond to it, just ignore it. Maybe report it, but even that seems unnecessary. If no one responded to the worst offenders, I suspect that they'd stop.
Instead, as the saying goes, they drag others down. Don't get dragged down. Just ignore it. If someone +1s something you don't like, just ignore that too. Instead of responding to vitriol, just post some unicorns in a new thread to push it down.
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Re:Another serious question
2012/04/17 10:36:03
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spacey
I don't always understand British humor. Not a bad thing...just don't get it sometimes err
most of the time.
That's because they don't have a sense of humor Spacey, there's is a humour. (And, after over 30 years of playing darts, I've grown quite used to tosspots. )
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re:Another serious question
2012/04/17 10:59:53
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craigb
spacey
I don't always understand British humor. Not a bad thing...just don't get it sometimes err
most of the time.
That's because they don't have a sense of humor Spacey, there's is a humour.
(And, after over 30 years of playing darts, I've grown quite used to tosspots. )
I have a great dart board thats been stored because it got dangerous in the house so says me wife but I'm putting it up in my shop...and I'm going to continue to make attempts at humour, colourful and playing more darts so maybe I'll catch up?
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Re:Another serious question
2012/04/17 11:06:34
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Jonbouy
A place for creative thought, wit and humour and sharing something of ourselves suits me.
Competitive post count padding has got old, well any kind of competitive posting for that matter is a turn-off for me.
Help has a place, mutual enrichment is a better idea.
It all finds it's own level in the end anyway, I guess it's natural that people just want to blow off steam after the nastiness of the weekend.
There is only one problem Jonbouy ... that leaves out Bapu!
As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys!
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Re:Another serious question
2012/04/17 11:18:07
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spacey
craigb
spacey
I don't always understand British humor. Not a bad thing...just don't get it sometimes err
most of the time.
That's because they don't have a sense of humor Spacey, there's is a humour.
(And, after over 30 years of playing darts, I've grown quite used to tosspots. )
I have a great dart board thats been stored because it got dangerous in the house so says
me wife but I'm putting it up in my shop...and I'm going to continue to make attempts at
humour, colourful and playing more darts so maybe I'll catch up?
Heh, and the proofreader in me can't help but cringe at the fact that I misspelled "their's" (and, now that it's been quoted a few times, can't go back and correct it - lol!).
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re:Another serious question
2012/04/17 11:28:36
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Moshkiae
Jonbouy
A place for creative thought, wit and humour and sharing something of ourselves suits me.
Competitive post count padding has got old, well any kind of competitive posting for that matter is a turn-off for me.
Help has a place, mutual enrichment is a better idea.
It all finds it's own level in the end anyway, I guess it's natural that people just want to blow off steam after the nastiness of the weekend.
There is only one problem Jonbouy ... that leaves out Bapu!
I feel like that cake in McArthurs Park.
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Re:Another serious question
2012/04/17 11:51:22
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For me, the Coffee House is a place to hang out with friends. The things I say here are the types of things I would say to my friends on a coffee break, lounging in someone's basement, eating someone's food, or just sitting around doing nothing. Sometimes, it's stupid. Very Stupid. Sometimes, it's opinionated. Quite often, it's absurd.
I know enough to know that not everyone shares my point of view, so some will be extremely irritated by my behaviour. In the CH, as in other social settings, I try to be sensitive to their feelings on the subject. That doesn't necessarily mean that I respond quickly enough, but I do try not to be more obnoxious than is absolutely necessary.
In the CH, as in life, my friends sometimes grow weary of my buffoonery. It's not surprising. Everyone is different and what amuses or interests one may not do the same for another. While I enjoy reading many of the threads here, I know that some folks really hate reading mine. I try not to hog the conversation too much.
So many of us are (or were) performers, accustomed to sharing the spotlight. Unfortunately, there's only so much spotlight to go around. I would like to see the Coffee House be the sort of place where we can share moments in the limelight like a band trading riffs. I would like to see the CH be that one place where anyone is welcome. Want to relax? Come on in, sit back and enjoy the show. Want to jump on stage? Come on up! We'll make room. Want to share the burdens that are crushing you? You've got a room full of folks who want to hear and offer support. Want to laugh? We've got all kinds of funny (and unfunny) and we could use more.
That's what I want. Seriously.
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Re:Another serious question
2012/04/17 12:01:53
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+1 to that UbiquitousBubba. I like the all welcome and come on in and sit back part. Sometimes the threads stay pretty tight between the veterans when others are trying to join in.
However, I have found it pretty hard to beat the humor that goes on so I most of the time just sit it out on the sidelines and take a step in when I feel it. I have now, unfortunately, become so interested in all the Cake forums that it is the first thing I read in the morning and the last thing I read before calling it a day. That's pretty sick in itself! LOL.
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Re:Another serious question
2012/04/17 12:11:27
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Beagle
as far as inane post counts and yada yada, and Am and +ya. who cares?
Judging by what others have said upstairs (and not just John), quite a few folk Reece. As I said yesterday, when I read (sorry I don't have a link to it) that: "a small group of posters were spoiling it for everyone else" I felt quite selfish and thoughtless. Guilty as charged m'lud. I don't want to make anyone feel unwelcome here, and if I've been contributing to the (often constant drivel), the proliferation of slightly edited thread titles, and all the other in 'jokes' in doing that, then I think I need to change my behaviour. If nobody else wants to change, that's cool with me too. But that's how I feel. That's not to say I'm not going to be inane, or post daft stuff, but honestly, doesn't 'Am' this and 'Ya' that get just a little tedious after a while? And it must appear totally incomprehensible and very cliquey to anybody stumbling in for the first time. As I say, and I want to be clear - I'm cool with whatever anybody posts, and I certainly wouldn't dream of telling anybody what they should or shouldn't post. That's nobody's job but Cakewalk's. But sometimes I think we just maybe need to step back and see the bigger picture. Edit - spelling
post edited by SteveStrummerUK - 2012/04/17 12:13:42
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Re:Another serious question
2012/04/17 12:25:03
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Jonbouy
A place for creative thought, wit and humour and sharing something of ourselves suits me.
Competitive post count padding has got old, well any kind of competitive posting for that matter is a turn-off for me.
Help has a place, mutual enrichment is a better idea.
It all finds it's own level in the end anyway, I guess it's natural that people just want to blow off steam after the nastiness of the weekend.
I spend way too much time on solitary enrichment.
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Re:Another serious question
2012/04/17 12:31:47
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Your point is well made, Sir. Sometimes, it's easy to lose sight of just how "inside" and obscure our references may be. I know I've seen numerous forum members welcome those who wander in here and state that they're lost.
I remember fleeing from the top floor and looking for a good place to hide. I stumbled into the CH, read some posts and tried to catch up. I was welcomed in and some running gags were explained. It made all the difference.
It's good for us to think about the others coming in here and try to make it easy for them to join us. Thanks for the reminder.
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Re:Another serious question
2012/04/17 12:48:26
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I understand your point, Strummy and you are certainly entitled and I will support you in your decision. Personally someone else's opinion from upstairs about the CH doesn't bother me. Yes, there is "buffoonery" and inane posts. If they don't like it they don't have to come read it. If cake wants us to stop they can tell us that - it's their forum, not members from upstairs' forum. as far as outsiders feeling like it's a clique and they can't get in - I disagree. some might feel that way, but that's only because they didn't try. there have been a lot of people new to the CH over the course of the time it's been open, including the last few months if you want to scrutinize the time period where a lot of "inane" stuff has been posted. Daryl is a new CH poster. the "inane banter" was going on before he got here. but he chose to post here anyway and he was welcomed with open arms. that's all it takes. cliques aren't like that. I know. I've been shunned from a few in my days. so my point is that if it seems cliquish to someone from the outside, that's only because they haven't tried to talk to anyone on "the inside" - that's not the fault of the CH posters. that's the fault of the one who's afraid to post here. I've even repeatedly asked John to join us instead of berating us. It's his choice, not ours. he chooses to "stay outside" for whatever his reasons may be I don't know, but that's his choice, it was not forced on him. I am certain that if he started posting here with us and stopped posting attacks like he did then he would be welcome here as well. it's all about choice, not about cliques. JMO.
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