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<Answered> Catching up on membership
This may have already been answered, and I apologize, I couldn't find a clear answer in previous posts. Could someone from Cakewalk please chime in and provide the definitive answer. In the past, I would wait a few months after an initial release to let the dust settle before upgrading. I just don't have the time to wade through newly introduced bugs/issues. When I did finally make the plunge, my Producer version upgrade always included EVERYTHING that all other Producer owners received. I may have paid a little more then the "introductory" offer, but I still received everything all other owners received. (with the exception of the X2 content club) My question is, how will I or can I "catch up", if I don't become a member immediately? How do I know what is and is not included in MY membership as opposed to when someone else signed up? Will past content be available for me to download or purchase? Will I ever have EVERYTHING that every other Platinum user has or will everyone's package be different based on when you joined? If content and or features come and go, is there any way to know what will be dropped, so I can decide to renew before I miss something? Please, let's not let this thread become a debate between the fans and the the skeptics. I'm looking for the Cakewalk policy on catching up your membership, not opinions. Also, the Cakewalk definition of content. As some hosts/posters call features and plugs content while others say it's only loops, presets, samples, etc. Thanks,
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 11:24:42
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Hey john, For me It was easier to think of the new system in the old way terms, so I think I have a good handle on how it works. for simplicity i will use 200 dollars as the "upgrade" price even though there are other avenues for a cheaper price. so in old way thinking,, it is 200 bucks to "upgrade" and i want to "upgrade". cakewalk has been so kind to offer me two ways to pay for my upgrade, you can pay the whole 200 bucks or if money is tight they now offer me a payment plan to pay this "upgrade" price on a monthly installment plan for a year. the installment plan will contain a small processing fee so I will pay a little more than 200 bucks for the "upgrade" on the payment plan. if i choose the monthly plan I have not paid for my "upgrade" unless I pay the 12 installments. Cakewalk has advised that every year you will have the same choice to purchase the "upgrade" upfront or in a monthly plan. to your original question? whenever you decide to buy an "upgrade" you are at the most up to date version, immediate catch up. If you decided to pay up front you will have the most up to date version up to the next "upgrade" version, old way thinking of yearly upgrades which would be a year after you jumped in. If you choose the monthly payment plan, and you did not pay for the whole year 12 payments you would drop back to where you were when you jumped in, assuming that would be X3e. if you did pay the whole year then you would stay at where you are as if you paid the 200 upfront. if you decided not to "upgrade" the next year that is where you stay. so if you jumped in today and paid the 200 upgrade fee or paid 12 months of the installment plan and did not want to "upgrade" next year you would stay at the version as of 2/24/216 most simple way of thinking if you have paid or are paying monthly you have everything you could possibly have for whatever version you have artist, platinum, etc.,, if you have not paid or stopped paying monthly you will have the version that you last paid for an "upgrade". for this year it would be x3, x2, x1 whatever version you were when you jumped in. Next year you will stay with the version you paid for a year so if you jumped in today and either paid for a year or the 12 month installment plan and did not want to continue "upgrading" you would stay with the version of sonar up to 2/24/2016. Mixing the old and new way of thinking cakewalk has decided not to hold their improvements to just a once a year release they will release the improvement or new feature when its ready during the year. I hope that helps,, I might have confused myself. ;)
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 11:31:25
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jatoth My question is, how will I or can I "catch up", if I don't become a member immediately? How do I know what is and is not included in MY membership as opposed to when someone else signed up? Will past content be available for me to download or purchase? Will I ever have EVERYTHING that every other Platinum user has or will everyone's package be different based on when you joined? If content and or features come and go, is there any way to know what will be dropped, so I can decide to renew before I miss something?
It's already been stated by CW employes that anytime you start your membership you get everything included up to that point *unless* it is content that has been discontinued. It's also said that at this time there is no plan to discontinue any content (i.e. Addictive Drums). It was also said that if something like Addictive Drums was to be dropped the user base would be notified with adequate notice. So if you wait until December 2015 to become a member (i.e. upgrade) you will get everything I got on (nearly) day one plus any added content, features and fixes since that time. One caveat, you pay more than I did since I got the introductory price of $149. Simples.
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 11:57:58
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My understanding of the OP's question, as well as the Membership model is thus: Whenever you buy Sonar (upgrade or new customer), you will get the full most current version of the base product (Sonar, whatever major bundled content comes with Sonar that year like AD2, etc). You will also be receiving all of the bug fixes, updates, etc, as it relates to those offerings. What you will not receive are any of the extra little goodies that came out during the period when you didn't have a membership. For instance, I imagine that you will get the base set of Anderton FX Chains that came with the Sonar base install, but you would not get any of the additional goodies Craig submitted to be included in monthly updates between Sonar's January release and whenever you buy-in. When you buy-in, you'll get all of the monthly (or whatever release schedule) goodies and extras going forward (depending on your version) like the Drum Replacer or other things they have teased. I'm not sure if they'll make the extra goodies available for separate purchase, but I would guess not, as the monthly goodies are one of the incentives to stay current with your membership.
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 12:25:43
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Thanks everyone for your replies. Pollo, I understand the payment options just fine. Just not the "catch up" part. Baps, "So if you wait until December 2015 to become a member (i.e. upgrade) you will get everything I got on (nearly) day one plus any added content, features and fixes since that time. One caveat, you pay more than I did since I got the introductory price of $149." This contradicts what some others have posted. Some have said, "you miss any content released while you were not a member". See Mager's post above. This is why I am asking someone at Cakewalk to chime in and answer my specific question. Three replies and three somewhat different answers.
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 12:28:15
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Bapu, Can you point me to where Cakewalk has stated what you posted? That I will receive ALL updates AND content if I wait until December 2015.
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 12:35:46
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jatoth Baps, "So if you wait until December 2015 to become a member (i.e. upgrade) you will get everything I got on (nearly) day one plus any added content, features and fixes since that time. One caveat, you pay more than I did since I got the introductory price of $149." This contradicts what some others have posted. Some have said, "you miss any content released while you were not a member". See Mager's post above.
Yes, I may be off the mark on "content" (if content is defined as Anderton FXs, loops etc.) but not stuff like Addictive. So, let's say if you're not a member and some content comes up for grabs, and you hear about it, you probably will never get it unless you jump on membership that month. In the OP you may have been asking how will you know (in advance) about upcoming content. I suspect you will not. Again, one of the the perks of membership is the surprise arrival of content.
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 12:52:10
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Bapu, My OP did not ask about future content. I guess what I asked about content could have been worded like this... Is additional CONTENT only available for the month it is released? If I wait three months, do I miss out on any content that I can not "catch up" receiving? If that is the case, I would like an accurate detailed description of EXACTLY what is meant by "content". In the prior paradigm, it really didn't matter WHEN one purchased the upgrade.(except the X2 content club stuff) If I paid for Producer I received everything you received in the Producer package. I would really appreciate Cakewalk's clarification, as there are way too many user opinions being posted.
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 13:01:38
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Maybe this post hints at what you want to know? It was the basis (albeit with a bit of misunderstanding regarding "specific" content) for my first post in this thread.
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 13:45:23
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I agree that the term 'content' could be clarified. I've taken it to mean the same as it did during the X2 Content Club : you only get the freebies going forward from the moment you upgrade. I believe this is what Andrew is saying in the other thread.
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 13:48:32
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Thanks Bapu, That post kind of explains things. Or at least their current intentions. What needs some clarification is, "We of course would tell people that this particular content is for only for this month so people will get fair warning" (from Andrew) The first month is almost over, the "introductory" offer expires in 3 days, but I still don't know anything about this month's content or fixes. Makes it difficult to truly evaluate my options. I still think Cakewalk needs to clearly define the "membership" terms of agreement with potential users. Some things are still too vague.
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 13:59:09
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jatoth The first month is almost over, the "introductory" offer expires in 3 days, but I still don't know anything about this month's content or fixes. Makes it difficult to truly evaluate my options.
Not nitpicking here but in three days (or when the introductory price changes) it is most likely to be more expensive to upgrade. It seems like you want to wait until you get best bang for your bux. JMO but that point would probably only ever be best seen in hindsight. Very few DAW makers (at present) ever inform you of what's coming, only what is here. What seems odd to me is that if you've truly seen the difference between X3 and Platinum why would some content be the deciding point on whether to upgrade at $149 vs (say) $200 after the introductory price is dropped? In the context of that question "content" is meant to mean something on par with the current Anderton FXs. And I mean that with no disrespect to those FXs.
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 15:20:41
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No, it's not about "bang for my buck". I have purchased everything offered by Cakewalk since 2008. All Producer upgrades, Pro-Channel Plugs, full versions of all included extras (ie AD2, Melodyne, et al.) As I said in my OP, I can't be a tester. I generally wait a few months for the show stoppers to be fixed and the dust to settle. This time it seems Cakewalk wants my money up front in order to receive everything you received from the first day, even if I want to wait and pay them more later. But no one at Cakewalk has confirmed or denied what the rules of membership are. Users and hosts have claimed "nothing has changed" except the purchase/payment options and distribution method. Again, this is why I wanted Cakewalk to chime in and delineate EXACTLY what joining now vs. later includes or excludes. Yes, I know, I can always join now and not install until I'm ready. At the moment, that seems to be my only real option if I wish to continue to have EVERYTHING Sonar has to offer. Which brings up yet another question. If I join now, but do not install, do I have to download each month's content during that month or will it always be available to me in my account? My comment about the introductory price was in the context of Andrew's post that I quoted. "We of course would tell people that this particular content is for only for this month so people will get fair warning" As in, I have three days to learn whether or not this month's content will still be available next month.
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 15:32:18
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If you join now, even if you don't install now, then you should have all of the new addition (extra goodies) added to Command Center and awaiting your download whenever it is you decide to jump in. It sounds like you are primarily worried about the stability of Sonar and want to wait until the initial dust has settled in terms of patching the base application of Sonar (and maybe the way it works with key plugins like AD2 etc). I imagine those kinds of updates to the base product are going to be included in the base price whenever you but Sonar just like before (for instance, I bought X3 late in the game and was able to immediately jump to X3e to get the most stable release). If you also want all of the extra things Sonar releases to enhance the application (like the new Anderton chains, other Cake developed plugins, etc) while you are waiting for it to become stable to your satisfaction, then you should go ahead and buy it now, and then just install everything through the Command Center when you are ready. If you are not interested in all of the extras, then I imagine you can just wait and upgrade when you are ready, and get the most recent version of the base application. Otherwise, that would seem a bit crazy (e.g. "Oh yes, we did uncover that fatal flaw, but we fixed that before you were a member. I'm afraid you'll just have to live with it") :)
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 15:35:55
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jatoth The first month is almost over, the "introductory" offer expires in 3 days, but I still don't know anything about this
I have yet to see 'ample warning' given by a Cakewalk representative for this event.
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 15:43:34
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This was the first post of a newsletter with the end of promo price date that I recall http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3171261. Also Feb 28 was mentioned in the original announcement thread as the tentative end of promo price. Would it be surprising if the promo stopped Feb 28?
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 15:47:38
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jatoth Yes, I know, I can always join now and not install until I'm ready.
Be careful with that thought. It is ONLY fully true if you buy from a retailer. Because when you buy from a retailer you need to redeem/register that purchase with CW as they do not know about it. If you buy from the Cakewalk store you are automatically registered. As confirmed by CW employees elsewhere your 12 months starts when you register.
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 15:54:07
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bapu
jatoth Baps, "So if you wait until December 2015 to become a member (i.e. upgrade) you will get everything I got on (nearly) day one plus any added content, features and fixes since that time. One caveat, you pay more than I did since I got the introductory price of $149." This contradicts what some others have posted. Some have said, "you miss any content released while you were not a member". See Mager's post above.
Yes, I may be off the mark on "content" (if content is defined as Anderton FXs, loops etc.) but not stuff like Addictive. So, let's say if you're not a member and some content comes up for grabs, and you hear about it, you probably will never get it unless you jump on membership that month. In the OP you may have been asking how will you know (in advance) about upcoming content. I suspect you will not. Again, one of the the perks of membership is the surprise arrival of content.
Which is probably a cunning plan of Baldric proportions to get more punters keeping tabs on developments by having more of a forum prescence
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 15:55:29
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scook This was the first post of a newsletter with the end of promo price date that I recall http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3171261. Also Feb 28 was mentioned in the original announcement thread as the tentative end of promo price. Would it be surprising if the promo stopped Feb 28?
I've said it before : I don't consider an email to a specific customer as ample warning to the rest of us, as we were promised. I wouldn't mind seeing the tentative date in question. I've searched and can't find it. So I guess I would be surprised.
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 15:58:45
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It was not sent to a specific customer, it was a newsletter which even if you did not receive you have known about for several weeks.
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 16:00:53
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jatoth No, it's not about "bang for my buck". I have purchased everything offered by Cakewalk since 2008. All Producer upgrades, Pro-Channel Plugs, full versions of all included extras (ie AD2, Melodyne, et al.) As I said in my OP, I can't be a tester. I generally wait a few months for the show stoppers to be fixed and the dust to settle. This time it seems Cakewalk wants my money up front in order to receive everything you received from the first day, even if I want to wait and pay them more later.
On your first point, i don't think you have anything to worry about. This is without doubt THE most stable version ever released. It just works. Regarding the point about wanting your money up front - this is clearly no difference whatsoever from previous releases, except you DO have the option of paying monthly - and will the full program immediately available.
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 16:07:14
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scook It was not sent to a specific customer, it was a newsletter which even if you did not receive you have known about for several weeks.
Sorry but that's not the point. I'm not being argumentative here, I'm just waiting for Cakewalk to say something about this. The minute they do, I'll stop.
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 16:08:37
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I really do appreciate everyone's replies. Thank you all. But, (you knew there was a but coming) I already understand the payment options, the length of membership, fixes and new features current and future. My original question for someone at Cakewalk to respond to still stands unanswered by Cakewalk. Please explain what I will miss if I wait a few months and will I be able to "catch up" at a later time. Again, I know I will get all new features and bug fixes no matter when I fork over the cash. Bapu, If I purchase from Cakewalk I have to install it now?
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 16:11:17
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 16:13:16
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jatoth If I purchase from Cakewalk I have to install it now?
You never have to install the product. When purchasing directly from Cakewalk, the membership starts immediately. When purchasing from a retailer, the membership starts when the code supplied by the retailer is redeemed at Cakewalk.
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 16:19:18
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scook "At least through January and probably February" You have to admit that is somewhat vague. FWIW at 15:34 this afternoon I received another newsletter from Cakewalk. Just the usual offering me the latest Sonar at full price.
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 16:22:01
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Bristol_Jonesey On your first point, i don't think you have anything to worry about. This is without doubt THE most stable version ever released. It just works. Regarding the point about wanting your money up front - this is clearly no difference whatsoever from previous releases, except you DO have the option of paying monthly - and will the full program immediately available.
Sorry Bristol, but I have counted over thirty reproducible issues with CWBRN numbers in the Problem Reports forum related to Platinum. You may not have run into any of these, but others have. Point 2. There is a definite difference from previous releases. (except X2 content club) Previously, If Bapu purchased HIS upgrade the day it was released, and I waited 6 months, I would have EXACTLY EVERYTHING Bapu has. If a brand new user waits until summer to make a full purchase of Sonar Platinum does he get EVERYTHING Bapu got? As it stands now, I don't think so.
John X3e Producer, Sonar Platinum, Sweetwater CreationStation i5 3.1gHz, 12 GB RAM, 500GB SSD OS drive, 1TB SSD audio drive, 1TB archive/misc drive, dual 22" monitors, Windows 7x64, SaffirePro40 (firewire), MOTU MIDI Express XT, Behringer BCF2000, dbx 586, Samson Servo 120a, Yamaha HS80M, Auratone 5c Cubes, Sennheiser HD650, Sony MDR 7509HD, Sony MDR 7506, Kurzweil K2500XS, Roland XP-30, Proteus 2000.
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Anderton
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 16:32:06
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"Content" is a pretty loose term, I'll grant you that. I think this would require a response from a Cakewalk representative. I would assume loop libraries and expansion packs for instruments would be members only, although I could also see some of them being sold separately to non-members and non-SONAR users. As to things like my amps, that's up to Cakewalk. I'm planning on doing an amp every month, so there are lots of ways they could be handled...they could be sold as an "Amp Pack" so people could catch up. Maybe Cakewalk would let Platinum owners get all of them, and Artist and Professional users get a lesser amount. Or maybe Cakewalk will be feeling generous and give 'em all away. I think a lot of the point of membership is you get stuff as soon as it's ready. Whether something that was part of membership becomes available in a year or two for "catch up" hasn't been defined, but Cakewalk does seem to err on the side of generosity.
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 16:48:34
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Pay the 15 and experience much joy and happiness and the relief that you do not have to think about it, nor write about it, again.
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Re: Catching up on membership
2015/02/25 18:15:21
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☄ Helpfulby jatoth 2015/02/25 18:55:23
If there is content that is only exclusive for the month, we will let you know. Otherwise, unless stated, it will be included as part of Command Center and you can download it at your leisure. The core program will always be the latest when you start. That's one of the advantages of this system. You aren't going to go to a store and find an "old" version and realize you have to catch up. The first update is coming soon so people will get a chance to download it on Command Center and see how it is presented. I believe all the content for update 1 will be permanent. In terms of licensing for third party products, there are no changes expected any time soon but it's always possible that we could change something about the program. For example, we updated from Addictive Drums 1 to Addictive Drums 2. In the past we've also dropped older technology, like for example Perfect Space or V-Vocal.
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