igiwigi
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Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
Simple question?? All the extra plugin are in X3 that Is missing in Platinum!!  all the best John  The only advantage to me is the voice thingy and is not so good if you cannot sing!!!  SAUSAGES!!! 
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/21 14:10:32
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1. Bugfixes.
2. Performance improvements
...but you can get those with, I think, the Professional or Artist level, so that doesn't answer your question.
I'm enjoying the extra Kits but if that doesn't float your boat, upgrade to a lower level, or not at all.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/21 14:49:16
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There are upgrade features which you can find researching "what's new" in Platinum...many worth the cost individually to upgrade, for a lot of users. ...new control bar features, vocal sync, mix recall, AD2 with 3 kits to choose from, enhanced MIDI and piano roll features, to name a few. Plus, there will be more coming as a Platinum member, with Cake's new purchasing structure.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/21 15:34:47
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1. Bugfixes.
stickman, can you elaborate? I ask because after some time looking for a new "home" DAW once Acid Pro 7 and I parted ways, I finally settled on Sonar X3e Studio, and so far, despite still having lots to learns and having met a few bugs/quirks, I can live with them, as on my setup, Sonar X3e is the most solid, stable 64-bit, appealing DAW I've used. Over Xmas I spent a few days immersed in making music, with the lowest % of time spent thinking about software issues (as opposed to the music itself) in many years, a real joy. Computers being computers, I am nervous about leaving this relatively solid rock for a new version, because while some new versions fix old bugs, they sometimes don't fix them for everyone, and / or create new ones. I went through this over around 18 months with Studio One 2 before ending up here. I've seen some folks say that for them, Sonar 8.5 was the last solid version for them for a number of years. As X3e basically has all the features I could need, I am sort of leaning to just sticking with Sonar X3e in the same way -- i.e. not fixing anything which is not broken. Unless I see some super-important, proven fix for something which matters to me, or some absolutely life-changing new feature, in Platinum.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/21 15:37:56
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☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2015/02/23 17:02:16
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Paul P
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/21 16:01:09
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2015/02/21 23:06:35
lingyai
Computers being computers, I am nervous about leaving this relatively solid rock for a new version, because while some new versions fix old bugs, they sometimes don't fix them for everyone, and / or create new ones.
Why not wait for an update or two before upgrading. The new version has only been out a month so you could let the beta testers do their thing while you continue to make music. That said, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot wrong with the new Sonar, and a lot of old bugs have apparently been fixed.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/21 16:46:32
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Paul P
Why not wait for an update or two before upgrading. The new version has only been out a month so you could let the beta testers do their thing while you continue to make music. That said, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot wrong with the new Sonar, and a lot of old bugs have apparently been fixed.
The beta testers already did their thing, future beta testing will concentrate on upcoming membership features. At present bug fixes consist of whittling down the queue of known bugs, and collecting user info about any bugs that are in the new version. However as Paul points out, this does seem to be a very solid release. The question of whether to upgrade now or later depends on two things. The first is what you do with SONAR. For some people VocalSync or Mix Recall would be enough to justify upgrading even if they didn't need the other features. But the reality is X3e didn't have a lot of bugs that affected typical workflows; they became revealed as you pushed it over time. The other aspect is pricing. Right now there's a $149 special for upgrading. Also, although if you update in the future you'll receive new program features, you won't receive any content you missed. The first update should be out before the sale is over, so you can look over the content and see if it has value to you. On the other hand some of the content will be available separately for non-members and non-SONAR users, but not all.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/21 18:31:48
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perhaps Cakewalk should do like the Sims does things..
you create a bare bones program and then sell consumers 10 expansions packs over a course of 3 years to fill in what the program should've had in the first place.. AND then after the 3 years is up.. you create a upgraded version of the program and repeat the cycle..
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/21 22:17:19
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Anderton
The beta testers already did their thing...
Yes, but all the bugs they uncovered have yet to be patched. CCC could probably use some love as well, for those who want to be sure of a problem-free installation (yes, some have had no problems, but others have). If it were me, I'd wait bit.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/21 23:06:48
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Craig is right to say it comes down to what you do and what you need. Personally, I've already made the cost back on the time VocalSync and the more subtle and obscure waveform draw optimisation have saved me.
In a more general sense, I'm really into the idea of ongoing updates rather than yearly versions, and am keen to be "on the bus" for that. But the other upside of that is that there's no rush to get on. If you're not sold yet, you can check back in a couple of months.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/21 23:11:08
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+1 to Paul P... X3e is a proven platform with a nice track record - bugs are well known, and relatively minor. If you are still in "learning mode," X3e will continue to keep you learning for some time.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/21 23:24:23
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Compared to previous releases, this release is one of the most solid I've ever seen. The bugs that are there aren't critical from what I can tell.
Not just that, but the days of having a big release that brings many new bugs, followed by a bunch of patch releases to fix the most serious are over. The new model follows an incremental release pattern. There is no "big" release where you can say let's wait for a patch or two. All incremental releases will have the same "weight". I think.
And you can install Sonar versions side-by-side, so it's not as if you can't go back to X3e if you do run into a showstopper bug.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/22 00:17:17
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Not just that, but the days of having a big release that brings many new bugs, followed by a bunch of patch releases to fix the most serious are over. The new model follows an incremental release pattern. There is no "big" release where you can say let's wait for a patch or two. All incremental releases will have the same "weight". I think.
You think correctly, that's the plan.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/22 00:47:51
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Honestly, mix recall is totally worth the upgrade. 100%. Better implementation with windows including media foundation. Not too many have mentioned this but video syncing is a lot smoother. The drum replacer looks like an interesting addition - cant wait to get my hands on it.
When these questions pop up I'm always reminded of the old adage "the miser pays twice". I'm of the firm opinion that with this update that will hold true.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/22 13:16:30
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You don't have to upgrade to Platinum to get the Bugfix/Performance improvements.
The upgrade price from X3e to SONAR Artist or Professional is pretty reasonable.
And apart from one or two annoying problems, this has been the most stable release EVER in my opinion.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/22 13:32:03
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It all depends on what you are involved with in terms of projects and how current you want to be. Absolutely nothing wrong with X3 and if it works for you then stay the course. For me personally I like to keep up with the new improvements and tools so I prefer to stay current. Either way Sonar is the best DAW hands down.
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Paul P
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/22 21:33:33
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John (igiwigi), could you clarify your question a bit ?
I understand from some other threads that you have Sonar Professional. So what is your interest between X3 and Platinum ? Also, you do not specify which version of X3 which greatly affects the number of plugins in the equation.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/22 21:52:55
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Paul P
Why not wait for an update or two before upgrading.
There are substantial improvements in the Platinum product compared to X3. Whether these are worth the upgrade fee to you is a question only you can answer. But fundamentally, it is a simple question. Cakewalk is offering a new version with a broad set of improvements. And they are asking a certain price for that -- this time on a subscription agreement. If the price makes sense for the features you would use, then buy it. If not, then don't. To me, it seems the price is modest and the features are strong. I won't use most of the features, but that is true of any software product. I have used the scene recall. This is big. I have used Rematrix Solo, which seems nice. I might eventually use the control bar. I certainly appreciate the minor improvements in the GUI. I have not really got the hang of the FX chains in general yet. One of these days I'm going to take the time to understand that, because it seems there is a lot of power sitting there for me.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/22 22:09:47
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Sonar X3 e Producer was a great version and it still is. However as good as X3 was Platinum is that much better. It is a delight to run and get to work with. It has a highly responsive feel and seems to anticipate ones actions and needs. It is not a minor incremental upgrade but a realization of the promise of the X series come to life with more to come. I have it on a fully equipped desktop and a older limited laptop. Both run very well indeed.
Only we that have made the switch know how very impressive it is. Its hard to put into words but no one that has it working is disappointed by it.
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Paul P
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/22 22:10:28
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To me, it seems the price is modest and the features are strong.
There is also the fact that the current price will go up by 50$ (for Platinum) in the not too distant future and we have no idea if it will ever be on a similar sale sometime down the road.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/23 09:31:38
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Paul P
There is also the fact that the current price will go up by 50$ (for Platinum) in the not too distant future and we have no idea if it will ever be on a similar sale sometime down the road.
True. And actually, the effective price increase might be a little higher than that. In the past, major upgrades were more like 12-18 months apart. So it is possible that the top end user who always upgrades to the latest release could end up spending $100 more a year than in the past. But I don't think this price is out of line. A friend of mine has been just starting into the audio editing world. He is really excited about Audacity. I suggested that he take a look at Reaper so that he could experience the interactive workflow of a DAW. But then, out of curiosity, I gave Reaper a good look for the first time in several years. I was struck at how much more elegant and useful the Sonar UI has become in that time. Many of the recent Sonar improvements have been very subtle, but important nonetheless. I still think my friend should do the $60 Reaper thing to get started. But if he really gets involved in the DAW world, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend that he jump to Platinum at some stage.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/23 09:48:44
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Paul P
cparmerlee
To me, it seems the price is modest and the features are strong.
There is also the fact that the current price will go up by 50$ (for Platinum) in the not too distant future and we have no idea if it will ever be on a similar sale sometime down the road.
Cakewalk has done sales in the past, so I highly doubt they will stop doing any sales in the future. But if you jump on in six months to take advantage of a sale price, you won't get the content that had been added in those six months. I think many people will not consider saving $50 as a good tradeoff for missing the content. What's planned for the first update is pretty typical of what to expect in the future, which will help people decide whether it's valuable to them or not.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/23 10:09:37
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John I believe I'm the fool who talked you into X3 Studio... So now I'll recommend looking into Professional for the same reasons. You and me don't need the flagship... It's got more flags but the motor is still the same size. So $99 is not bad for the few new gizmos and it is nice being up to date. Buying now makes the most sense as we get a whole year of new stuff and updates. And as far a worrying about stability, don't. I never did run into a bug in X3e Studio and so far don't see any difference in Professional. You almost forget you upgraded. I have accidentally opened X3 dozens of times and worked all day without thinking about it until I notice a few missing new features. Most noticeable is there is now reverb and a delay send knobs on the channels strip instead of one being hidden. Very tiny details. No learning curve at all. If you look at the included features for Professional what they've done is given Studio owners more of the features that were in X3 Producer. So it's a win, win for us middle grounders. We now get Addictive Drums as example. Not that I've needed it. I still like Session Drummer because I can load my own samples. AD make you pay money for every new drum sound,, phooey on that..
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/23 10:35:51
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I want my main workhorse in the studio up to date. Not only today, but also tomorrow.
And I see it as self-evident that you have to pay for development and support of such a software product. As long I see good improvements of the software, bugfixes and new content that make me happy, I have no problem to pay about 150-200 per year.
I see it as normal to pay around 500 for car service every year, so why not a yearly fee for a software workhorse like Sonar?
Let's assume that the next update contains a killing feature that makes your song a top twenty hit. Do you'll really want miss that feature because of a ridiculous annual fee of less than $200?
Cakewalk offers 3 different models of membership. And it's by you how much you want to afford.
And if you think you don't need updates and more features, you can stay on X3 as long you want.
It's your decision. You have to know what you want and it's not really relevant, what other people do and why.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/23 16:19:52
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Anderton
Cakewalk has done sales in the past, so I highly doubt they will stop doing any sales in the future. But if you jump on in six months to take advantage of a sale price, you won't get the content that had been added in those six months. I think many people will not consider saving $50 as a good tradeoff for missing the content. What's planned for the first update is pretty typical of what to expect in the future, which will help people decide whether it's valuable to them or not.
This is contrary to what Andrew Rossa said in an earlier thread, where I asked what people risked "missing out" on if they were to wait before registering the upgrade. He stated that at point of registration one would get everything that was originally included in the new model, plus all additions. The only scenario he gave where one might possibly miss out on something is in the case of third party bundled products like AD2 if those products were no longer bundled with Sonar by the time one chose to apply the upgrade.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/23 17:12:30
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But if you jump on in six months to take advantage of a sale price, you won't get the content that had been added in those six months. I think many people will not consider saving $50 as a good tradeoff for missing the content. What's planned for the first update is pretty typical of what to expect in the future, which will help people decide whether it's valuable to them or not.
Any unknown content that is missed now by waiting will be replaced by unknown content gained at the other end, so that's not really a factor. And one can always update if something needed comes along. Speaking of content... Are the AD2 packs considered 'content' and subject to disappear at any moment ? In X3P, you were guaranteed to get AD2 + packs no matter when you updated, but what happens now with the new perpetual version ?
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/23 21:40:44
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Anderton
Cakewalk has done sales in the past, so I highly doubt they will stop doing any sales in the future. But if you jump on in six months to take advantage of a sale price, you won't get the content that had been added in those six months. I think many people will not consider saving $50 as a good tradeoff for missing the content. What's planned for the first update is pretty typical of what to expect in the future, which will help people decide whether it's valuable to them or not.
This is contrary to what Andrew Rossa said in an earlier thread, where I asked what people risked "missing out" on if they were to wait before registering the upgrade. He stated that at point of registration one would get everything that was originally included in the new model, plus all additions. The only scenario he gave where one might possibly miss out on something is in the case of third party bundled products like AD2 if those products were no longer bundled with Sonar by the time one chose to apply the upgrade.
If you could include a link to this thread that would be helpful. I'm quite sure he was referring to the additions to the program, not the supplementary content that's generated by Cakewalk or others specifically for the membership program; this was how it was presented numerous times in the "Giant Thread about the Membership Program." For example, your AD packs and Dimension Pro patches don't go away if you don't renew because they are part of the program. But things like loop libraries, expansion packs, and such that members receive are included for that month's update and that's it, unless they're offered for sale separately to non-members or users of other DAWs. I'll ask Andrew, he's calling me later tonight but we have discussed this many times. Maybe they decided to change it.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/23 23:27:06
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To clarify, the products won't disappear if you are a member during the month it was released. And we aren't going to take away AD2 or anything else if you got them while you are a member. I can imagine there will be content down the road that we make available only to people who currently own the product or buy it in the month it is available. But as long as you are a member during the month it was released, you don't have to worry about it losing it down the road. We of course would tell people that this particular content is for only for this month so people will get fair warning. I imagine this will only apply to very specific content. And there will be content that will always be part of the program. Core features, fixes, and updates would always stay with the program. Anytime you download SONAR, you will always get the latest version of the software.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/02/25 13:06:17
igiwigi
Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
Because I am intelligent, reasonable, good, charming, and dog gone it, people like me.
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Re: Why buy Platinum if you had sonar x3
2015/02/24 08:39:05
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Andrew, when I mentioned AD2 disappearing, I meant disappearing from the upgrade, not from installed software. If I upgrade today, I get AD2 + packs. I understand this to be part of the deal to upgrade and subject to change in the future. Will we be notified before AD2 is pulled from the upgrade, or will we just notice that it's suddenly gone, replaced by something else ?
Before, the 'free' third-party elements were known to be available for the duration of the version, and we expected them to possibly change in the next version. Now, there are no longer versions, so will we be notified of changes to the makeup of the current state of the version before they happen ? I realize that before we didn't know when a version would change, but we could guess pretty accurately.
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