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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/21 17:10:01 (permalink)
Try a "Save As" ??

In the save as version try deleting stuff until it allows you to pan that damn bus

blimey! there must be a way to sort this out man!

But not for me. My lids are closing and I've got to shut down for the night. Good luck and I'll call in tomorrow hoping you've got it fixed.

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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/21 17:13:52 (permalink)
Yeah... thanks for trying, synkro. I think I'm gonna have to call support. I can risk having this happen again so I need to get it figured out. Sadly it's long distance for me to call them and I'm sure in light of the release of X2 I'll be on hold forever. Not a happy Beep right now.
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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/21 17:22:45 (permalink)
I had a strange instance of no panning. Plus, Rmix on the master bus showed all the lights crowded on the left edge, even though the sound was centered. I couldn't figure it out. I did not make any changes to the project and I did not save it. I closed Sonar and restarted with the same project, and suddenly everything was normal. I wonder if I had saved the project it would have become permanently corrupted like yours.
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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/21 17:28:26 (permalink)
Oh no... that doesn't sound good. If that's what happened it must have gotten corrupted right at the start because I tried a really early version. I'm gonna try the absolute first version and see if that's any better. Maybe it didn't like the stereo drum track that I made in BFD as a standalone... but I could have sworn I was able to pan at one point. This is my first real song with Sonar. I love the program and all but this not a good way to start off. However it is more than likely something I screwed up so I'm not gonna blame it on Sonar... yet.
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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/21 17:29:09 (permalink)
I'm sure this is completely daft Beepster but you are outputting in stereo aren't you? I don't mean to insult your intelligence in asking that, but I'm sure I remember having a similar issue myself at one time, and it turned out to be because of something as simple as this.

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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/21 17:33:22 (permalink)
Well this is just great. The very first version is panning so somewhere along the way something happened and I've been working with a screwed up project file without knowing it. GAH!
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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/21 17:35:29 (permalink)
@Steve... It really should be but could you elaborate a bit and I'll check it out. Like I said the first version is panning properly and I really don't think I've changed any input/output settings since then.
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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/21 17:43:40 (permalink)
Maybe you have a project to send to CW for troubleshooting. Mine was not reproducible.
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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/21 17:48:15 (permalink)
That sounds like a good idea.   Even if it was user error, there are obviously a few folks here that haven't been able to figure it out and could probably use that information!   
 

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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/21 17:48:54 (permalink)
@bvideo... It's in X1 so I'm not sure they'll look at it. I was gonna hold off a bit before installing X2 (bought and downloaded) but maybe that will fix it. For now I'm just gonna compare everything from this first version of the project to my current one to see if I can find anything.
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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/21 17:52:40 (permalink)
@stevec... If I can't figure it out tonight I'll probably call tomorrow and update the thread. I'm still leaning towards user error here but as this thread wears on I'm starting to think that yes indeed something happened to the file. I'll keep working on it though I guess. I just wanted to close this thing out. I'm getting kind of sick of this song at this point. No fun. lol
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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/21 17:55:18 (permalink)
Are you maybe in Automation Offset Mode? This could yield results along the lines of what you're seeing.  Try typing "O" on your keyboard.

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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/21 17:58:35 (permalink)
Thanks, Bill. Just tried it and it didn't work unfortunately.
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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/21 18:02:14 (permalink)
And I should say that pressing O set all my console sliders to zero. Pressing it again set them back to where they were. If it's a known bug or something I'll just call it a loss and move on but I'm still holding out hope.
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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/21 18:09:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
No, that's a feature.  Info on it here:  http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation/default.aspx?Doc=SONAR%20X2&Lang=EN&Req=Automation.29.13.html

Is it possible that your master bus has it's interleave set to mono? Like this:






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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/21 18:11:42 (permalink)
Beepster


To import all this into a new project will take forever. Most of my time was spent setting up all the tracks and busses. It's massive. I was gonna use it as a template. I also just looked at all the audio settings and compared them to the other project that was panning and it's all exactly the same. I have no idea how I managed to screw this up. I'm gonna go scour the troubleshooting section of this site to see if maybe something is there. One weird thing is in the output section it's listing Focusrite Left Mon but no Right (and not even an option for Right) but that's the same way it is set on the project that is panning. My brain hurts. :-(

You can select all clips at once and with a new project open at the same time with enough tracks-click and hold and drag and drop 'em onto the new project.

Make sure you have BOTH projects open at the same time


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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/21 18:14:28 (permalink)
Can ya post a screen shot of CV for us?


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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/21 18:15:43 (permalink)
@Bill... You nailed it man. Thank you so much. I must have turned it off thinking it was an Echo button on my inputs... so yes, it turns out it was me being a dumb arse. Now I feel silly. Relieved... but silly. Cheers.
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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/21 18:17:53 (permalink)
@digi2ns... Cheers, man. I got it sorted but I'm gonna keep that in mind for other stuff I plan to do in the future... when I'm not so much of a dumb arse. ;-)
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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/21 18:18:16 (permalink)
Nice!
post edited by Bill Jackson [Cakewalk] - 2012/09/21 18:32:15

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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/21 18:21:38 (permalink)
@Bill... Yeah, nice indeed. You just saved my project from myself. Can't believe I did that. I mean they are KIND of similar looking buttons but I should have known better. This is what I get for bouncing around all the resource material instead of doing it in a linear fashion. ADD for the win! Thanks again. ;-)
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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/21 18:38:00 (permalink)
The full extent of my failure is now starting to sink in. I've been mixing and applying effects in mono the whole time. *facepalm*
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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/21 18:40:45 (permalink)
Glad this was resolved!
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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/21 18:46:56 (permalink)
It's really appreciated, Andrew. Sorry it was something so silly. I'm new to Sonar and this is all being done on brand new gear so I just didn't notice it. A very valuable lesson for sure. It's nice to know you guys even have the backs of us n00bs. Cheers.
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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/21 19:16:47 (permalink)
Hey Beepster,  happy for you man.   

FYI... No pro would ever call you a nOOb.   Anyone who has been around has done the same sorta thing and knows better, 

'cause the next issue is waiting right around the corner for themselves.   I don't want to even touch this issue myself (how many times!)

just remember, "try the simple things first" 
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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/21 19:27:30 (permalink)
Thanks for the kind thoughts but this was very much a lack of knowledge and rushing myself through the education process. Seriously I didn't even really know what that button did until now. I remember wondering why the heck the master bus had an input echo but turned it off anyway. Now here's a question for ya'll... should ALL my buses have the stereo interleave button on? I was just looking in the X1 Power book and couldn't really find anything at first glance. Perhaps I should turn it on for buses that I'm sending stereo tracks to but not for mono tracks? It's moments like these that make me realize no matter how much time I spend with my head in the manuals and scouring the forum it's all gonna come down to learning from my mistakes. Not deterred or perturbed though. I'm just glad this forum is here. If I was back on Nuendo I doubt I'd be anywhere near where I'm at now. SO if I haven't said it enough... you guys rock.
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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/22 03:28:28 (permalink)
There ya go Beep... I knew it would be sorted before I woke up lolz. As silly as it may have looked, it's so easy to do something like that.

On with the project then ;-)

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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/22 08:12:24 (permalink)
I had the same thing happen to me in X1 a few times... Interleave stereo/mono button being activated to Mono.... all by itself when the project opened.  I still have no idea why it would do this on a couple of tracks only.  Drove me nuts until I noticed the button.  So I learned to look at the button.  LOL
Good post. 

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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/22 09:46:37 (permalink)
It was good to open the forums this morning and see this thread set to Resolved.  

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Re:The pan knob on my busses aren't doing anything (X1) 2012/09/22 10:13:25 (permalink)
Congrats Beep!  Glad to see the mystery is resolved.  We have all done something similar.  I have also done the interleave switch head scratching.  And I love it when I tweak an EQ to perfection - only to find that it wasn't enabled.

Nice to see somebody keep at it and find the answer rather times when we get some angry person who *KNOWS* whatever they are having problems with is a Sonar problem and that the software is a POS.  They don't get much sympathy or help around here.  With you and your approach it was very different and you got a LOT of people trying to help.  And even those of us that remained silent were pulling for you.
This is a great forum with the most friendly and helpful people you will find anywhere - if you don't come in with a chip on your shoulder and an attitude.


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