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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/04 16:26:58 (permalink)
Ms essentials here to. It just works. 

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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/04 16:28:27 (permalink)
For whatever the worth, the McAfee founder is literally on the lam with someone and being sought as a material person of interest in the shooting murder of his next door neighbor - might want to put any subscription updates on hold til they sort that out - plus the product is a bunch of hooey anyways.

MS Essentials is indeed quite good - I still like Avast, and with internet service on my system running at 105 mbps (no decimal point there - bwa ha ha), my updates are pretty much instant.

It has a real small footprint in memory, and does not bog down the system - I do not even turn it off prior to doing Sonar sessions.

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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/04 17:56:14 (permalink)
Folks,
     I don't really have a horse in this race but.........



     Microsoft's SE has just very recently lost it's rating from the top AV rating group: http://www.guru3d.com/new...curity_essentials.html

     I personally have had multiple customers get really nasty viruses that just skated right past the MS product and all of Symantec's offerings as well.  Check out AVAST for a free AV and NOD32 is rated one of the best and is a great buy for 40 bucks.


     In practice, I never ran AV on my DAW.  Though, I'm pretty meticulous about what gets installed and ran on the box.


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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/04 18:14:14 (permalink)
I survived the disco years, but am still a little adventurous, and use Avast on mine - I posted earlier that none of them catch all of the nasties.

The McAfee guy on the lam also apparently was claiming to have a double with a false passport and stuff along those lines, so I think I would really have to maybe hold back on that one for a while, although if weirdly entertaining founder news was a product feature they are certainly ahead in that department.

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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/04 18:21:59 (permalink)
Interesting Guitardood. So bit defender back on top. ZoneAlarm not too bad either..
Nothing in the list though about performance and footprint, no benchmarks....

http://www.av-test.org/en...windows-7/sepoct-2012/

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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/04 18:29:24 (permalink)
Norton here.  I keep it on most of the time.  If I have a client in then I might turn it off.
 
I also use studio DAW for surfing as well as updates, sometimes whilst I'm recording.  Not had any problems.  No drop outs, no viruses.

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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/04 18:51:23 (permalink)

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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/04 21:52:38 (permalink)
Unfortunately, My machine came cheaper from Dell I'm sure because of agreements with companies like McAfee.... It came installed and hasn't caused problems... Yet... I don't have the machine connected except to download updates and I turn off "Real Time Scanning" before starting up X2.  What I've learned here, is that if my machine DOES start to crash and burn down the road, I'll look at McAfee's built in process of informing me that it's time to update. That seems to have been a culprit in some of these instances. But right now, it ain't broke...so...


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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/05 04:24:09 (permalink)
Just FYI, ESET is the NOD32 I mentioned above.  Take a look at the performance/detection ratios.

Also there is a site, www.virscan.org, where you can upload a virus file and have it scanned by most of the relevant AV software.  I use these types of tests in conjunction with the aforementioned reports to help decide what to recommend to computer clients.

Being a programmer, I always bear in mind that most of the heuristic algorithms can easily be beaten by a good programmer who is bent on hosing your computer and is not using a virus-kit borne virus that has a known footprint.

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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/05 04:33:05 (permalink)
MSE cause it's free and seems to be unintrusive, light and runs fine with Sonar on my old slow machine fine. 

I've been through all kinds of antivirus and seems like MSE works best. Used to swear by zone alarm until upgrading became so problematic, resource hog and couldn't remove virus. Norton before that with same results as ZoneAlarm.

Bottom line, I think thier all crap. But at least MSE stays out of the way.

Agree with poster saying MSE isn't full proof. 


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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/05 04:40:01 (permalink)
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Yes... which AV? Microsoft Security Essentials is free, is supposedly top notch in protection and is considered a resource light AV so it's great for DAWs. Cake support recommended it to me for my DAW (I knew about it but have been an Avast user for years) and I've never had a problem with leaving it enabled while working.

Absolutely agree!
Microsoft Security Essentials is FREE and its one of the BEST Virus program with low impact out there..
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/security-essentials-download
 

 
 
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Malware is caught quickly, and the default actions work well for most users.
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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/05 04:44:59 (permalink)
The only time my DAW is online is when I'm registering/authorising software.

Believe me, this is an absolute must for Native Instruments & IK Multimedia

When I'm done, I disconnect the dongle and literally pull it out of the machine

All my downloads are done on another machine and transferred via a USB stick (after thoroughly scanning the download)

For the brief time the DAW is online, I use MS SE



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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/05 08:38:00 (permalink)
Another +1 for MSE. Been using it since upgrading my DAW and laptop to win7 a few years ago and never had any issues. 
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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/05 14:45:07 (permalink)
I'm running the MacAfee suite that's free with the AT&T Uverse subscription. I don't see anyway to disable it in it's control panel. I'm not sure if I need to but I have had X2 crash several times. I don't use this pc on the internet much but I do visit the forums and moderately trusted sites.

Would it be best to disable the internet connection while using X2? That seems to be the easiest thing to do. I'm really the only person using this computer. Is disabling the UAC worth messing with?

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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/05 16:37:40 (permalink)
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I'm running the MacAfee suite that's free with the AT&T Uverse subscription. I don't see anyway to disable it in it's control panel. I'm not sure if I need to but I have had X2 crash several times. I don't use this pc on the internet much but I do visit the forums and moderately trusted sites.

Would it be best to disable the internet connection while using X2? That seems to be the easiest thing to do. I'm really the only person using this computer. Is disabling the UAC worth messing with?

1.  I don't disable wireless or internet most of the time when using X1 or X2.  If I have clients recording, then I often do, though only as a "belt & braces" kind of thing, as I've had no problems at other times.
 
2.  I have not found it necessary to disable UAC.  It should not cause any problems.  Don't always listen to people who say it's only there to stop numpties causing havoc.  It is a useful safegaurd, and shouldn't cause any problems, so leave it alone IMO.

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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/05 19:39:37 (permalink)
McAfee is like a weed that grows into every inch of your computer and is almost impossible to pull out without leaving bits behind. I hate it with a passion. It's almost like a virus the way it installs itself onto systems randomly...

I'm an Avast guy. Seems to work well. Cept you have to remember to turn off the constant annoying "Avast Virus Database has been updated!!!!! WOO!!!" every time you turn on your PC...


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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/05 19:56:32 (permalink)
If you buy a PC with Mcaffee or Norton or any of the other craptastic bloatware trial AVs immediately go to CNET (after creating your initial system image of course) and download CCleaner and remove them. Then install Avast or MSE... as well as Malwarebytes and SpyBot S&D.

@matt... I've never had to go back into sttings to turn off the Avast warnings after the first time I do it. I do however keep the visual pop up alerts active so I know that it hasn't forsaken me. 
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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/05 20:07:42 (permalink)
Nope I would never run two antivirus or malware products on one PC. Not a good idea as they have a tendency to conflict :-) Go for one package that handles everything.

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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/05 20:11:08 (permalink)
Nb McAffee used to supply a clean removal utility as a download ?

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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/05 20:28:37 (permalink)
Those other programs aren't traditional AVs. They are malware/spyware removal/prevention tools. They even tell you not to use them as a main AV. They scope out little nasties the main AV can miss. CCleaner isn't even that. It's good for clearing your cache, registry and removing programs more thoroughly than Windows uninstall and uninstall tools that come with most programs (hint... those included uninstall programs tend to leave crud on your system so they can do whatever nefarious crap they want).

C'mon, dude. You should know this stuff. You're all smart and shiz. ;-p
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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/05 20:40:57 (permalink)
Yep they may claim that Beepster but unfortunately I've had to remove them from PCs where they have conflicted with each other on 3 or 4 occasions (to be specific antivirus and anti malware  real time scanning will most likely conflict sooner or later when different vendors are used, and I've seen antivirus products detect valid malware scanners as a virus).

Yeah of course ccCleaner is not an antivirus or anti malware tool and I've got this installed myself.

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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/05 21:13:50 (permalink)
Interesting. I've never had any issues having those two installed alongside Avast and I've been doing that for years. What AVs were they conflicting with? I'm new to MSE but I only have that on my DAW which only goes online to download/update purchased audio software. I'm assuming that the usual suspects like Mcaffee and Norton were the type of real time programs getting cranky about it. I personally consider that crap bloatware/malware at this point. Cheers.
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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/05 21:17:25 (permalink)
Oh and there is a warning on Spybot saying that Mcaffee will likely show up as a virusy thingamadoodle. I've actually never gotten any hits while running any of my AVs but I don't tread too many uncharted waters and use script/adblockers when surfing. 
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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/05 23:34:18 (permalink)
It's definitely a good idea to have more than one AV on your computer, but only run one in real time and use the other(s) to run periodic system scans. None of them catch everything, so it's a good idea to do secondary scans on occasion. I agree with the Malwarebytes and Spybot recommendations. I use MSE as my main AV and Malwarebytes for backup scans.

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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/06 00:09:53 (permalink)
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I'm running the MacAfee suite that's free with the AT&T Uverse subscription. I don't see anyway to disable it in it's control panel. I'm not sure if I need to but I have had X2 crash several times. I don't use this pc on the internet much but I do visit the forums and moderately trusted sites.

Would it be best to disable the internet connection while using X2? That seems to be the easiest thing to do. I'm really the only person using this computer. Is disabling the UAC worth messing with?

I also have the McAfee that "comes with the machine".  Before running X2, I unplug the network cable and open the McAfee control panel and turn off "real time scanning" It asks when to turn it on again and I check "next time I boot my machine" This seems to keep McAfee from interfering  with X2 and prevents the "background" talk between every other program on the computer that is scheduled to "check for updates" in the background.

VERY few crashes or freezes.

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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/06 01:03:32 (permalink)
It's definitely a good idea to have more than one AV on your computer, but only run one in real time and use the other(s) to run periodic system scans.


Until you find a virus and then real time scan locks up the manual scan, losing control over the cleanup process (or file lockout) .... Good luck with that idea.

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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/06 02:03:38 (permalink)
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It's definitely a good idea to have more than one AV on your computer, but only run one in real time and use the other(s) to run periodic system scans.


Until you find a virus and then real time scan locks up the manual scan, losing control over the cleanup process (or file lockout) .... Good luck with that idea.


Not if you take the extra 30 seconds to disconnect from the Internet and disable real time before you scan. I can tell you've been in IT hell. ;-) 

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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/06 04:38:51 (permalink)
MSE +1

Am I correct in thinking that, just because a virus gets past an 'anti-virus', it is no indication as to the effectivity of the 'anti-virus'. 

It simply means that it is probably a very new virus that has not been put into the virus database, and has slipped through the net?  

 I'm sure a lot of viruses are the same, and they get locked down, but there are always the creators finding new and improved ways of slipping round the back of the anti-virus product (And keeping SOME peoples money flowing ;) )

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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/06 06:39:43 (permalink)
It's down to how often that virus signature database gets updated, the virus engine gets updated, the cleanup engine is updated, and well it is done. In addition how effective with internal testing and performance. So earlier in the thread MSE was shown to be shown to be a little less effective nowadays, that could be down to more viruses or slower turnaround times e.g. one less developer working the project (being moved to windows phone dept :-) ) and competition!

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Re:Antivirus was causing Sonar X2 to crash 2012/12/06 07:39:53 (permalink)
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MSE +1

Am I correct in thinking that, just because a virus gets past an 'anti-virus', it is no indication as to the effectivity of the 'anti-virus'. 

It simply means that it is probably a very new virus that has not been put into the virus database, and has slipped through the net?  

I'm sure a lot of viruses are the same, and they get locked down, but there are always the creators finding new and improved ways of slipping round the back of the anti-virus product (And keeping SOME peoples money flowing ;) )


What, you mean the AV companies themselves?

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