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Any Sony Sound Forge Users here? Or do you know of a better alternative to Sound Forge?
I am currently using Sound Forge 9 and I am having some serious issues with the Software Keeping the set Sample Rate.
Under Audio --> Advanced, I am able to set the Sample Rate but regardless of what I change it to, the moment I click Apply, it reverts back to 44.1k causing a nasty pop-sound in my speakers.
The only thing I use Sound Forge for is to Convert Sample Rates and do Fade out.
Any one using this software or know or a better alternative?
Thanks!
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Re: Any Sony Sound Forge Users here? Or do you know of a better alternative to Sound Forge
2017/10/28 16:55:47
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I've used Audacity for years to trim/fade and convert to mp3.
I'm not sure what samplerate options are available though.
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Re: Any Sony Sound Forge Users here? Or do you know of a better alternative to Sound Forge
2017/10/28 17:03:09
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I've used Audacity for years to trim/fade and convert to mp3.
I'm not sure what samplerate options are available though.
I am thinking I am just going to do a work around: Meaning, export the RAW 24/96 file and master it in Ozone. The take the 24/96 master and import back into Sonar, do the fade and crop, the export as 16/44.1. Given that I am doing an export, I do not have to mess with Sample rate settings in the Sound Card. By the way, how do you get the file into Audacity, meaning what is the Sample Rate when you do this?
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2017/10/28 17:46:22
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Export as 44.1 WAV, open in Audacity ...
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2017/10/28 18:00:59
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Maybe Izotope RX elements?
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I switched to Steinberg Wavelab a few years ago and never looked back. Wavelab Elements (Wavelab lite) is very full-featured for the price. Wait four weeks and see what price Black Friday brings. I've seen it on sale for maybe 50 bucks - a tremendous deal if you see it for that price IMO.
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Re: Any Sony Sound Forge Users here? Or do you know of a better alternative to Sound Forge
2017/10/29 00:11:32
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I an still using Sound Forge 7.0 on Windows 10 and it seems to work fine. Audacity is also a quick and dirty tool that is useful.
I am not sure the difficulty you are having lies with Sound Forge. Is it just having your audio applications request that your audio interface switch sampling rates?
I have an older interface and it sometimes gets stubborn when I switch an app to a higher sampling rate, and then open a different app with a different rate. I usually hear an audible click if the switch proceeded normally. If I don't hear anything, that could be bad and it can be time to reset, reboot, whatever.
So I generally try to keep my system working at a constant sample rate, instead of jumping around. If you just need to render a file at a different sample rate, it should not be an issue, unless you try to open it up and play it back.
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Re: Any Sony Sound Forge Users here? Or do you know of a better alternative to Sound Forge
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I am using sound forge 10 on windows 10 and it works fine. As DAWs have gotten more advanced, dedicated wav editors seem to have gone down in popularity. I occasionally use adobe audition because it is included with adobe suite i already use, but i rarely have editing needs outaide if DAW these days.
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Re: Any Sony Sound Forge Users here? Or do you know of a better alternative to Sound Forge
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☄ Helpfulby abacab 2017/10/29 01:30:10
I'm using Sound Forge 9 (not upgrading till it goes 64bit) but I'm not sure what Audio->Advanced you are talking about (there is no top level menu named Audio). If you have a WAV file at one sample rate, to change it you need to use Process->Resample. But (and this is very true if you are running SONAR or another ASIO app at the same time) your sound card has to let it change the sample rate. As a result of this I run Sound Forge using the Microsoft Sound Mapper rather than ASIO, since my older Focustrites Windows driver will let Windows run at different sound rates, even when ASIO is locked everything at 48khz. It sounds like you are trying to change the sample rate but your sound card isn't letting it happen. Which is (sadly) very common. And would do exactly what you are describing if you try to change the sample rate to something the sound card won't let you.
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Re: Any Sony Sound Forge Users here? Or do you know of a better alternative to Sound Forge
2017/10/29 12:59:31
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I'm using Sound Forge 9 (not upgrading till it goes 64bit) but I'm not sure what Audio->Advanced you are talking about (there is no top level menu named Audio). If you have a WAV file at one sample rate, to change it you need to use Process->Resample. But (and this is very true if you are running SONAR or another ASIO app at the same time) your sound card has to let it change the sample rate. As a result of this I run Sound Forge using the Microsoft Sound Mapper rather than ASIO, since my older Focustrites Windows driver will let Windows run at different sound rates, even when ASIO is locked everything at 48khz. It sounds like you are trying to change the sample rate but your sound card isn't letting it happen. Which is (sadly) very common. And would do exactly what you are describing if you try to change the sample rate to something the sound card won't let you.
Excellent post, Matt
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Re: Any Sony Sound Forge Users here? Or do you know of a better alternative to Sound Forge
2017/10/29 16:09:47
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Also still using SF9, but more often than not I use Wavelab, which I picked up several years ago when it was clear Sony was dropping the ball.
I did download the SF Lite V12 demo, and I must confess, I still prefer SF over Wabelab for almost all my detailed audio editing needs. Izotope RX also includes a decent editor, but I've been using SF since V3, and to me it just works faster - not that it does the processing faster, but the commands and shortcuts and tricks just feel more natural to me.
I really hope Magix gets it right!
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2017/10/29 19:24:30
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I really hope Magix gets it right!
You, me and thousands of others I'd imagine. I have WaveLab LE and Audition CC but neither of them are Sound Forge.
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Re: Any Sony Sound Forge Users here? Or do you know of a better alternative to Sound Forge
2017/10/29 20:23:41
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Just curious, but what are most folks actually using dedicated wave editors for these days? Just mastering?
Was wondering because I bought Sound Forge many years ago, but it seems that many DAWs have become so much more capable since then...
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Re: Any Sony Sound Forge Users here? Or do you know of a better alternative to Sound Forge
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☄ Helpfulby abacab 2017/10/30 23:57:01
SF here.
And a stereo editor is a great resource for working on samples, SFX, stuff like that. It may be because I'm an old dog but it makes more sense to use SF for those dedicated tasks, and helps me switch mindsets.
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wst3
Also still using SF9, but more often than not I use Wavelab, which I picked up several years ago when it was clear Sony was dropping the ball.
I did download the SF Lite V12 demo, and I must confess, I still prefer SF over Wabelab for almost all my detailed audio editing needs. Izotope RX also includes a decent editor, but I've been using SF since V3, and to me it just works faster - not that it does the processing faster, but the commands and shortcuts and tricks just feel more natural to me.
I really hope Magix gets it right!
I bought their 64 bit version of SF Studio. I'm with you on SF. I still use SF 10 and still attached to that Sony GUI. The only thing I don't like is Magix licensing. Sony Products I always put on 2 machines. Not so with Magix.
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I moved over to Acon Digital's Acoustica 7 from SoundForge just a couple of months ago. So far, it's been a fairly painless transition.
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I still have this one. It's underrated. http://www.goldwave.com/ Forget about Acoustica. I bought that back when v2 was out.
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Re: Any Sony Sound Forge Users here? Or do you know of a better alternative to Sound Forge
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I'm using Sound Forge 9 (not upgrading till it goes 64bit) but I'm not sure what Audio->Advanced you are talking about (there is no top level menu named Audio). If you have a WAV file at one sample rate, to change it you need to use Process->Resample. But (and this is very true if you are running SONAR or another ASIO app at the same time) your sound card has to let it change the sample rate. As a result of this I run Sound Forge using the Microsoft Sound Mapper rather than ASIO, since my older Focustrites Windows driver will let Windows run at different sound rates, even when ASIO is locked everything at 48khz. It sounds like you are trying to change the sample rate but your sound card isn't letting it happen. Which is (sadly) very common. And would do exactly what you are describing if you try to change the sample rate to something the sound card won't let you.
Thank you for taking the time to respond. The screen shot below illustrates what I am talking about in regards to the Advance screen.  Now when I click the Advance tab, I can click the Configure tab to access my device Sample Rate. Like below:  I am not sure I understand what you are meaning but below are steps for my process. 1) Export WAV file from Sonar at 24/96. 2) Open the WAV file in SF If I am opening a 24/96 File in SF, should SF be set to 24/96? If I try to change the Sample Rate within the settings as illustrated above it reverts. I am not talking about re-sample or stuff like that, in a nutshell, I am simply attempting to work with 24/96 format in SF.
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Re: Any Sony Sound Forge Users here? Or do you know of a better alternative to Sound Forge
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I still have this one. It's underrated.
http://www.goldwave.com/
Forget about Acoustica. I bought that back when v2 was out.
I use goldwave as well. It's perfect for the most common stuff (e.g. cutting, fade in/out, conversions) and very easy to use.
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Re: Any Sony Sound Forge Users here? Or do you know of a better alternative to Sound Forge
2017/11/09 13:28:55
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i used goldwave until i saw the SRC graphs ( http://src.infinitewave.ca/ ) then acoustica, then got sf10 cheap and am just waiting for the x64 version before upgrading (they just did x64 release for vegas so i'm assuming sf will come along at some point
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also, there are a couple of nice freebies, ocenaudio and wavosuar, both x64
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2017/11/10 05:41:37
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i used goldwave until i saw the SRC graphs (http://src.infinitewave.ca/ ) then acoustica, then got sf10 cheap and am just waiting for the x64 version before upgrading (they just did x64 release for vegas so i'm assuming sf will come along at some point
SF Studio is 64 bit.
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pwalpwal
i used goldwave until i saw the SRC graphs (http://src.infinitewave.ca/ ) then acoustica, then got sf10 cheap and am just waiting for the x64 version before upgrading (they just did x64 release for vegas so i'm assuming sf will come along at some point
SF Studio is 64 bit.
yeah but there's no upgrade option from 10 pro (there was another thread about this previously) eta, so i'm hanging on for a x64 pro version
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☄ Helpfulby pwalpwal 2017/11/10 14:51:59
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I am not sure I understand what you are meaning but below are steps for my process.
1) Export WAV file from Sonar at 24/96.
2) Open the WAV file in SF
If I am opening a 24/96 File in SF, should SF be set to 24/96?
If I try to change the Sample Rate within the settings as illustrated above it reverts.
I am not talking about re-sample or stuff like that, in a nutshell, I am simply attempting to work with 24/96 format in SF.
ASIO tends to lock a sound card to a single sample frequency. So for example if you have no audio apps open and open a ASIO app and it loads a 96khz file, it will change your sample rate to 96khz. But if you then start another app and it tries to set the sample rate to 44.1khz, that will fail. Since it can't change the sample rate. SONAR has an option for sharing the audio device with other applications, it is one thing you can try. But as a rule you can't have SONAR running at one sample rate and expect to get Sound Forge to run at a different rate. There are some exceptions though, for example if in Sound Forge instead of using ASIO you use the Windows driver, it support dynamic sample rates. Which means it lets your sound card run at whatever rate it wants (or is locked to) and converts on the fly any audio in that app to that rate. Since Sound Forge isn't a real-time interactive DAW, I recommend not using ASIO in Sound Forge. That way you may be able to leave SONAR running at one rate (using ASIO) and still be able to run Sound Forge at another rate. But how well this works depends a lot on the ASIO and Windows audio drivers for the card you are using. For my Focusrite Saffire this works great. But some audio cards drivers are better than others. You will need to play with the option in SONAR about sharing the audio card as well as the choice of driver in Sound Forge to figure out the combination that works best for you.
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☄ Helpfulby abacab 2017/11/12 15:12:36
I have a collection of Wave Editors and each has it's attributes.
Top of my list is Wave Lab Elements 7 which I use for top & tail and mastering and just about anything that involves recording and editing a stereo wave file.
Next is Gold Wave which I mostly use for batch conversion to MP3, It's free to try and for $50 lifetime it's a bargain. I've also used it for mastering but comapaired to Wave Lab it's to clunky.
I have Sony Sound Forge Studio which came with my Sony USB turntable. I use this for tranfering my LP's to Wav. It does a brilliant job of cleaning up crackles and pops. I've never used the full version but I do like it for this one task.
I have Wavosaur tried it and it's OK but pretty sad compared to the rest.
Audacity I also tried once but like Wavosaur it's pretty weak.
I have used Wave Lab since version 5. It is still my most used software and other than Sonar I've probably spent more screen time in Wave Lab than any other app. It has one very important feature that none of the other seem to have. When you open a tool like the Gain etc it STAYS open while you work. You can populate your second monitor with all the tools you be using and they are one click away. All other editors including Sonar require you browse through multi layers of menu's to get to the tools, every time you want them. So Wave lab wins out for me on Workflow time saving layout.
I also like the fact that it's browser stay's open and my whole album of songs can be easily navigated.
You can have unlimited songs open and they are all tabs across the top.
I can chop a whole night of live recordings into sperate songs super fast and save each one as a new file.
It will rip any CD on the planet, Its tools for live stereo recording are super efficient and rock solid, my list of what I use it for is long. Oh,, I've never had Wave lab crash...
Only downside for some is the dongle, You don't need one, you can use a elicencer software, but I bought the dongle so I can run it on more than one computer. It's actually a good system for that.
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Re: Any Sony Sound Forge Users here? Or do you know of a better alternative to Sound Forge
2017/11/10 19:33:11
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I am thinking I am just going to do a work around: Meaning, export the RAW 24/96 file and master it in Ozone.
The take the 24/96 master and import back into Sonar, do the fade and crop, the export as 16/44.1.
I do all that right in Ozone. I export 24 bit out of Sonar. It goes to Ozone for mastering. Crops and fades are done there. And then it exports from Ozone as 16/44.1 and mp3. From there it gets published or goes to redbook authoring software for album assembly.
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Re: Any Sony Sound Forge Users here? Or do you know of a better alternative to Sound Forge
2017/11/11 20:39:40
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I am thinking I am just going to do a work around: Meaning, export the RAW 24/96 file and master it in Ozone.
The take the 24/96 master and import back into Sonar, do the fade and crop, the export as 16/44.1.
I do all that right in Ozone. I export 24 bit out of Sonar. It goes to Ozone for mastering. Crops and fades are done there. And then it exports from Ozone as 16/44.1 and mp3. From there it gets published or goes to redbook authoring software for album assembly.
Are you saying that Ozone runs as standalone? I have Ozone 5 and it's definitely a plugin. When did it include a standalone program?
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Re: Any Sony Sound Forge Users here? Or do you know of a better alternative to Sound Forge
2017/11/11 21:54:34
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Ozone 6 and 7 have stand alone applications as well as the plugins.
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Ahh - thanks. I'd never heard of that.
I'll have to look in to this...
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