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Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does?

Try this: Hold Alt+Ctrl, click on the PC-76 meter, then drag up/down. The little meter screw turns. Anyone know what this does? I can't hear a difference, but I might not be listening for the right thing.

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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/06 10:51:03 (permalink)
Oh really, what does it do?  Not in from of Sonar at the Moment...
 
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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/06 11:26:39 (permalink)
It tightens or loosens the screw.  You don't want the face plate falling off.
 
On a real VU meter it calibrates the meter. A certain input voltage should give a certain deflection. 

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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/06 11:31:59 (permalink)
Not sure it does anything in the PC-76. In the PC4K bus compressor, turn the screw, click in the meter and the meter color changes.
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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/06 11:54:49 (permalink)
Yeah, it's supposed to cause a "backlight" glow on one of the modules (as scook noted) so maybe someone left that code in intending to implement that or just didn't strip it out.
 
Does nothing to the sound... and the backlight thing is a little silly IMO but I guess some people like that type of thing. I guess maybe the original hardware models have that or something. I guess it could possible create a color contrast more appealing to some users with visual issues but it does seem to be just for show.
 
The PC2A/CA2A screw is MUCH more interesting.
 
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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/06 12:17:16 (permalink)
OK, I am back in the Lab and I have Held Alt+Ctrl and then clicked on the PC-76 meter and I don't hear or see a change in anything.   I do however, see the screw moving, but that's about it.
 
What am I really missing here?

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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/06 12:25:01 (permalink)
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OK, I am back in the Lab and I have Held Alt+Ctrl and then clicked on the PC-76 meter and I don't hear or see a change in anything.   I do however, see the screw moving, but that's about it.
 
What am I really missing here?




Absolutely nothing. It's just a graphical thing that is likely just leftover code for the module scook noted where it merely turns on the pale blue "backlight" on the meter area.
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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/06 12:27:12 (permalink)
I thought I recalled that it did actually do something, HF bias or some such. But I may be recalling wrong.
 

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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/06 12:30:50 (permalink)
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I thought I recalled that it did actually do something, HF bias or some such. But I may be recalling wrong.
 




Are you thinking of the CA2A? That screw alters how the compressor affects frequencies or some such. I fiddle with it all the time because it makes a subtle difference on really frequency rich signals like distorted guitar (to my ears anyway). Not so much on less chaotic sounds.
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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/06 13:54:47 (permalink)
It's an Easter egg, it turns the backlight on the PC4K buss compressor as Scook already pointed out, that's it.. To the best of my knowledge, it does nothing on the PC76.
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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/06 13:55:08 (permalink)
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Try this: Hold Alt+Ctrl, click on the PC-76 meter, then drag up/down. The little meter screw turns.



I can get the screw to turn without the Alt+Ctl.
 
Thanks for this thread since I'd forgotten about the screw-light thing.  It allowed me to light up my bland-looking PC4K. Much better.
 
And also to learn that PC-76 and PC4K can only be used one at a time in PC.
 
 

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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/06 15:06:14 (permalink)
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I thought I recalled that it did actually do something, HF bias or some such. But I may be recalling wrong.
 




Are you thinking of the CA2A? That screw alters how the compressor affects frequencies or some such. I fiddle with it all the time because it makes a subtle difference on really frequency rich signals like distorted guitar (to my ears anyway). Not so much on less chaotic sounds.




If you are referring to the R37 screw, it adjusts the high frequency response on an LA2A and most emulations. I find the effect is easier to hear when you sweep that control. Even on the real deal it is a subtle difference.

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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/06 15:24:12 (permalink)
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If you are referring to the R37 screw, it adjusts the high frequency response on an LA2A and most emulations. I find the effect is easier to hear when you sweep that control. Even on the real deal it is a subtle difference.




Yup. Subtle but really worthwhile. It has so few controls anyway it's pretty easy to give the screw a twist just to dial it in for the specific source. It really does depend on the material feeding it.
 
Can't even describe exactly what it does. It's like... the "slightly better sounding" control. Like some weird variable comb filter control that hones what the compressor works harder on.
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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/06 15:48:15 (permalink)
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If you are referring to the R37 screw, it adjusts the high frequency response on an LA2A and most emulations. I find the effect is easier to hear when you sweep that control. Even on the real deal it is a subtle difference.




Yup. Subtle but really worthwhile. It has so few controls anyway it's pretty easy to give the screw a twist just to dial it in for the specific source. It really does depend on the material feeding it.
 
Can't even describe exactly what it does. It's like... the "slightly better sounding" control. Like some weird variable comb filter control that hones what the compressor works harder on.



Turned one way and the compressor works equally on all frequencies, turned the other and it compresses the higher frequencies more.

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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/06 16:02:43 (permalink)
Ah yes, the R37 screw, sorry!

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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/06 16:07:03 (permalink)
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It tightens or loosens the screw. 

This was what I was told when growing up

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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/06 16:30:53 (permalink)
Weird that turning it on the PC-76 interface changes the light on the PC4K.  Turning it on the PC4K does nothing.  What an odd way to implement that.

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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/06 22:16:41 (permalink)
Ask Monday at the water cooler.
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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/06 23:15:14 (permalink)
It's an easter egg that was put in to the module as already mentioned. Does nothing to the sound :)
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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/06 23:26:52 (permalink)
I think you're referring to the PC4K bus Compressor "change the color" thing. I'm talking about the PC-76. I don't see or hear anything from turning the meter screw.

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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/06 23:33:06 (permalink)
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It's an easter egg that was put in to the module as already mentioned. Does nothing to the sound :)



Odd that the default is off.  Was that to keep in in line with the fifty shades of grey interface ?
 
I find the lit state so much better, seems a shame that most people would never discover it.
 
 

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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/07 00:24:46 (permalink)
and what page of the 2000 page manual is this in?  How the heck to you guys stumble across this?.. and yes the buss compressor does look better with the blue light....and ...I don't need to ctrl + alt either... just move the mouse after clicking on the screw....watch it move, then click the meter for the light to come on.

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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/07 00:52:37 (permalink)
I should have listened to John...  I tried to catch it when it fell and ended up smacking it down a furnace vent
 
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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/07 01:12:59 (permalink)
Can confirm what Scook & dlesaux write.
Some time ago, I had colorized the screw to help make it easier for me to see as shown here:
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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/07 10:29:54 (permalink)
Is is not based on the hardware  device it was modeled on. That screw could on the hardware device
 calibrate to -20 -18 -12 RMS.
 
?????
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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/07 11:58:38 (permalink)
What a screwey idea!
 
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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/07 12:06:05 (permalink)
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Is is not based on the hardware  device it was modeled on. That screw could on the hardware device
 calibrate to -20 -18 -12 RMS.
 
?????


Digital doesn't need that kind of calibration. Real VU meters are mechanical with both moving parts and electronic components. Each will degrade over time. To compensate a screw is used to adjust the needle's deflection. Another reason I hate them. 

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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/07 14:35:09 (permalink)
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If you are referring to the R37 screw, it adjusts the high frequency response on an LA2A and most emulations. I find the effect is easier to hear when you sweep that control. Even on the real deal it is a subtle difference.




Yup. Subtle but really worthwhile. It has so few controls anyway it's pretty easy to give the screw a twist just to dial it in for the specific source. It really does depend on the material feeding it.
 
Can't even describe exactly what it does. It's like... the "slightly better sounding" control. Like some weird variable comb filter control that hones what the compressor works harder on.




From the Universal Audio manual:-
 
"The LA-2A was designed for use in broadcast applications. The audio signal in FM broadcasting undergoes pre-emphasis and results in a 17 dB boost at 15 KHz. Due to this increase in signal level, transmitters are subject to over-modulation. The LA-2A provides a control (R37) which controls the amount of high-frequency compression. This potentiometer is factory set for a “flat” side-chain response (clockwise). Increasing the resistance of this potentiometer by turning it counter clockwise will result in compression which is increasingly more sensitive to the higher frequencies."
 
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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/07 14:43:21 (permalink)
I thought the CA2A documentation was adequate

R37 (High Frequency Pre-emphasis trim). This control adjusts the gain reduction frequency response. The original hardware unit was designed for leveling in radio and TV broadcast applications. Due to an increase in high frequency content in FM broadcasting, the R37 control adds gain reduction at frequencies above 1kHz, based on the program material. Use this control to reduce or prevent over-modulation caused by the pre-emphasis (high-frequency sensitivity). When set to the FLAT position, gain reduction is applied equally on all frequencies. When the control is moved toward the HF position, gain reduction is increased on the high frequencies. Experiment to achieve a good balance between low and high frequency limiting. This control is often useful for de-essing vocals (cut down sibilance by compressing high frequencies), but the FLAT setting is recommended for most music applications. To adjust the knob in fine increments, hold down the SHIFT key while moving the knob.

 
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Re: Anyone Know What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does? 2016/02/07 15:16:13 (permalink)
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Still does not explain "What Turning the PC-76 Meter Screw Does"



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