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Anyone read the manual?
I was hitting the books tonight and was surprised by the Sonar Reference Manual. So much stuff in there that I still come across for the first time. SO MUCH STUFF! The new features section of the manual is now about 250 pages long. There's a doc for every feature that's been added. I don't know when a new feature becomes a used feature but I think the list goes back to the Gibson purchase. I know that I would be working more efficiently had I kept up with my reading. I only just learned that I could create custom fade curves. I've always just used the clip handle and thought there we 3 curves. I can't be alone in my ignorance. Personally, I think the manual could be laid out more efficiently. There's things that I consider basic functions that aren't addressed until 1,100 pages in. I'm sure that it's on Cakewalk's To-Do list, and it won't be a small task to get the "New Features" integrated. Regardless of any short comings, I urge everyone to check out the Reference Manual to see how much has changed.
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Re: Anyone read the manual?
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I read the manual often. You're right about what has been added to it. I have often thought how a new user handles all thats in the manual. I suspect they may not open it up at all. There is something there for everybody. Of course it could be better but as manuals go I believe its one of the best I have read. Everything is covered. What is good about it is the easy style of writing. Its informative without being too technical. One area where it shines is the index. A good index is worth its weight in gold. One thing I have stopped doing is print it out. Its simply too big.
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Re: Anyone read the manual?
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I've read the manual in drips and drabs when I've had to look up stuff out of necessity, however I was put off reading it all the way through when I tried to do so a few years ago and found so many errors and stuff that was just plain wrong. It was a source of much frustration and I started to worry that I was picking up lots of erroneous info. I'm also not a fan of manuals that are full of hyperlinks which have you running around in circles from one article to another.
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Re: Anyone read the manual?
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I have read the manual, but like John stopped printing it out a few years back. It is certainly convoluted in its layout and repeats itself often and could probably use a rewrite. Big job though! I find the online searchable knowledge base more useful for quick reference. That said, it is far more comprehensive than most user guides these days.
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Re: Anyone read the manual?
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The last manual I read from cover to cover was Sonar 3XL. It was a big release for me, but I agree with tenfoot, it's a lot more productive to use the online searchable knowledge base now.
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Re: Anyone read the manual?
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I often Google for Sonar knowledge but that's has its own issues - more often than not the results direct you to outdated Cakewalk articles for the likes of X2 and X3. Maybe it's about time Cakewalk removed the old knowledge bases from its site and made them available for download or something? In order to give the most up to date knowledge base a chance to rank to the top of the search results.
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I agree with you, James. The old references should be removed. As a new Sonar Artist user, I'm really put at a disadvantage because of the "legacy" info, and most of the new information in the knowledge base seems to be mostly for Pro and Platinum users. I am constantly getting stuck with what should be simple processes like inserting and configuring soft synths. Sometimes it works, then I do what I think is the same thing, and no sound emits from the track. So I'm left fumbling from here to there until I might finally get it working. There are too damned many links. I find I have to continue on the page/subject that I'm trying to understand, jot down the name of the link, then go to it when I've gotten all I can get from the page that I'm currently on. As Logic Pro (Mac) is my primary DAW and just using Sonar to record my vocalist, which is the main reason I bought it, as she has a Windows computer, I find Sonar (and Windows) somewhat convoluted. I'm getting there though, and I like many of the features in the program. I can't complain since I got it for $49.00. (I had Sonar LE 8.5 that I got with my purchase of the SD-50 Sound Canvas some years back.) Any one who knows of some Sonar Artist specific tutorials, please pass the info along. Will be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Anyone read the manual?
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I've been away from the forum in a frequent level for a while but before that, apart from just reading the manual I found the best thing I ever did was this;
When I came across a question (to which I didn't know the answer) asked on the forum, I would go to the manual and use it to find out how to do that thing. It's a great method for informal study. It's a bit like doing the tutorials at the beginning of the manual. Give it a try next time there's a thread asking a question to which you don't know the answer..
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Re: Anyone read the manual?
2017/01/18 06:16:45
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sharke I often Google for Sonar knowledge but that's has its own issues - more often than not the results direct you to outdated Cakewalk articles for the likes of X2 and X3.
+1 to this. This happens to me so frequent that I had to add the platinum help shortcut to my favorites bar. But this doesn't always work when trying to search something out. because like James said, search results end up giving you X2 or X3 help and while some of it still pertains, so much has changed with platinum that its enough to drive a person all nuts and bolts. Agree with John though, the manual has some great info. Sunday night I read the whole section on Region FX / ARA integration. Drum Replacer, Vocal Synch, Melodyne. There is a lot of cool features (hidden gems) that are not so well known. Though I still cant find that shortcut for Drum Replacer. CNTRL+M = Opens Melodyne SHIFT+V= Opens Vocal Synch ? = Opens Drum Replacer ?
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Re: Anyone read the manual?
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I find the manual invaluable also and often find features I was unaware of. For example I created some sfz files to use with drum replacer using samples from loop loft. Didn't realize I could just drag a sample into the window. The one thing I would like as mentioned above would be a search that works purely within the manual contents rather than across the site or failing that to have a download pdf link so that I could download it and use adobe search within the contents. https://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation/Home
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Re: Anyone read the manual?
2017/01/18 09:21:09
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I actually had a look at "Delete Hole" yesterday; still couldn't get it working. But, Anyone read the manual? You are $hittin' me; right? I don't ask for "directions" either; so... T
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Re: Anyone read the manual?
2017/01/18 09:40:25
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How do you download the PDF directly without using Command Center, or installing some other .exe?
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Re: Anyone read the manual?
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Hi, When updating everything via command center,it says[I can see it] updating Sonar PDF,but when I go to the full on Platinium PDF it says by date it is STILL THE ONE from 2015,where can I get the updated 250 page Platinum Manual manually? Thank You Bob When I go to Cakewalk Online Help Documentation is available for the following products,IT ONLY GOES TO X3!? Is this an in joke or what? where is this 250 Page PLATINUM Manual? Please.
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Re: Anyone read the manual?
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☄ Helpfulby Mitch_I 2017/01/19 13:37:54
Forum users can be categorized into two groups: those who have read the documentation, and those who have not. The former ask fewer questions and are most likely to have answers to the second group's inevitable questions. The posts that most pique my interest, and the reason I come here: when someone from Group A does ask a question. Those are the posts I pick out for reading. I admit it's for selfish reasons; it's because they are the most likely to yield new knowledge. Answering Group B questions feels like I'm only enabling their laziness, like continuing to do laundry for your 18-year-old child. The exception is genuine noob questions. Noobs get a pass, because everybody starts out at zero. But if you're still asking noob questions after 5 years, you're in Group B and it's time you learned how the washer and dryer work.
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Re: Anyone read the manual?
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☄ Helpfulby bobguitkillerleft 2017/01/18 11:52:29
Manuals, we don't need no stinkin' manuals....
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Re: Anyone read the manual?
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Group "B" and not all fussed,and I don't have a clothes dryer. Again:When I go to Cakewalk Online Help Documentation is available for the following products,IT ONLY GOES TO X3!? Is this an in joke or what? where is this 250 Page PLATINUM Manual addendum? Please. I'm so lazy it actually scares me[badly]even on 300mg daily of effexor so no help,no big deal :|
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Re: Anyone read the manual?
2017/01/18 11:51:52
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☄ Helpfulby bobguitkillerleft 2017/01/18 12:18:37
bobguitkillerleft Hi, When updating everything via command center,it says[I can see it] updating Sonar PDF,but when I go to the full on Platinium PDF it says by date it is STILL THE ONE from 2015,where can I get the updated 250 page Platinum Manual manually?
The SONAR Reference Guide (a 2500+ page pdf version of the help files) is part of the the SONAR Local Documentation package available in the Command Center and your account. It was updated with the 2016.12 release.
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Re: Anyone read the manual?
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bobguitkillerleft Hi, When updating everything via command center,it says[I can see it] updating Sonar PDF,but when I go to the full on Platinium PDF it says by date it is STILL THE ONE from 2015,where can I get the updated 250 page Platinum Manual manually?
The SONAR Reference Guide (a 2500+ page pdf formatted version of the help files) is part of the the SONAR Local Documentation package available in the Command Center and your account. It was updated with the 2016.12 release.
Hmmm Group B,and other put downs aside,every time command updates the yes 2K PDF is still dated from early -April? 2015,Is the OP talking about the Craig Anderton Week such and such compiled Thingo? If not then I'll just bumble along until this really average Lenovo W540[Thunderbolt 1 Hahah] can update the 2.5K PDF Thanks All.
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Re: Anyone read the manual?
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☄ Helpfulby bobguitkillerleft 2017/01/18 12:10:53
This was the case until the 2016.12 release when the Reference Guide was brought current to include the new SONAR products, SONAR Home Studio and SONAR Steam Edition. If you still have the original version of the Reference Guide, you probably did not run the update for the SONAR Local Documentation package. It is not part of the SONAR core.
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Re: Anyone read the manual?
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☄ Helpfulby bobguitkillerleft 2017/01/18 12:17:49
Bob the Sonar Reference PDF should be located in your install folder. And it was updated for the first time since platinum launched in Jan 2015. The new PDF has a 2016 date and includes all the new additions to Sonar on the 3rd page with links.
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Re: Anyone read the manual?
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☄ Helpfulby bobguitkillerleft 2017/01/18 12:18:05
The Reference Guide is my first stop when I'm looking for information. If that doesn't work, I try the online help, but I have never once found what I was looking for there if I couldn't find it in the Referemce Guide. Step three is this forum.
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Re: Anyone read the manual?
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I'm sure it's this crazy as a loon Lenovo W540 REFURB-By The Factory-NOT the SHOP......Sure? Anyway it's just not updating,I'll actually remove the April 2015 one[I don't care] and update,and see what happens? This REFURB (something I DO NOT recommend by the way) Lenovo W540 has done the odddest of weirdness since day one,so I'm sure that has something to do with it? Thanks For ALL your help sincerely!
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Re: Anyone read the manual?
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☄ Helpfulby bobguitkillerleft 2017/01/18 12:32:38
The current Reference Guide and any previous versions are in the command centre folder if you used it to update your docs. I go in there every 6 months to clean out Sonar installs. The file I referred to in my OP is the 2016.12 version.
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Re: Anyone read the manual?
2017/01/18 12:59:05
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Haven't read the manual since ProAudio9 when you actually could read a manual on the throne.
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Re: Anyone read the manual?
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Had to download the 600+ meg "local documentation" to get the 53 meg Reference file. Anyone know how to delete the other 550 megs I didn't want?
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Re: Anyone read the manual?
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg 2017/01/19 13:48:38
timidi Haven't read the manual since ProAudio9 when you actually could read a manual on the throne.
You still can but you would need to have a printer nearby if you want the pages for another purpose.
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Brian Walton Had to download the 600+ meg "local documentation" to get the 53 meg Reference file. Anyone know how to delete the other 550 megs I didn't want? 
Delete the installer. The installer includes all the language options but only installs the one defined in your setup.
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Re: Anyone read the manual?
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timidi Haven't read the manual since ProAudio9 when you actually could read a manual on the throne.
You still can. I keep all of my manual PDF's in my Google Drive so that I can access them on my phone wherever I am - on the subway, the throne, waiting in line at the supermarket. I've read a ton of manuals like this and it's the ideal way to use those otherwise wasted 5 minute periods constructively.
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Brian Walton Had to download the 600+ meg "local documentation" to get the 53 meg Reference file. Anyone know how to delete the other 550 megs I didn't want? 
Delete the installer. The installer includes all the language options but only installs the one defined in your setup.
Thanks, I wasn't sure what else unpacked, since it doesn't let you selectively install anything.
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Re: Anyone read the manual?
2017/01/18 13:15:34
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There's a manual?
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