I noticed that too. Just guessing, but maybe it's b/c "classic rock" is not as popular with the masses today. With the trend leaning towards the pop, hiphop and bubble gum, sales of the Kramer collection might be down. Don't know much about the others, but i think the Maserati collection has more modules and an interesting acoustic guitar plug.

Just ordered EK Sig and at the final stage of the purchase, i saw a pop-up that i didn't like the look of. It said something like "Although this page is secure, the information you gave is being sent to where it can easily be read by a third party." What is that all about? I tried to stop it, but it looks like the transaction went through.

im only hoping e krammers plug ins are cheaper than other because someone at his establishment is trying to lower the prices on his stuff.
because lets face it the prices on vsts have become redicules,i cant tell you the profits these companys are making but im sure their living nice.
and if they arnt,than the next guy is.are we ever going to see a nice drop in vst plug ins so the average joe can afford to own a nice daw and set up himself/herself with a good amount of verity?
i look at the waves bundle and just shake my head.

Rain, I contacted WavesUniverse and they said they tried to duplicate what happened and couldn't and that their site is secure. I believe them, but i think I'm gonna cancel that card and have the bank make a new one anyway just for peace of mind. People are slick out there... ---------------------------------- AFA the Eddie Kramer plugs though, they sound really nice and give great classic rock tones/vibes to everything and quickly. So far my only complaint is that there's no bypass on any of them.

Am i missing something? i don't see a "W" write button on these plugs for writing automation. -------------------- Also, thanks for the recommendation yorol'pal. The Waves Universe price was certainly the best i've seen.

Looks like Audiodeluxe is having a sale right now on all the signature collections for 206.64. Definitely cheaper than the 800.00 they started out at.

batsbrew


presets don't work.

Except when they do.


I mean, they may not work every time, but for me, there have been times where they have. 

I don't think you're lookin at presets in quite the right light there BB, ol pal.  I see them as both guideposts in general as to where a good place to start might be in any given situation and then tweak from there as needed AND a learning tool to see how Pro users actually setup a plug for a given situation.  I don't see them at all as "the lazy man's way out" although they can sometimes be that too.  Plus why even buy any of the "signature series" at all if you don't want at least some of the guess work alreadly done for you?  I mean you could just grab a comp, an EQ, a gate, a verb, etc.....and do it your own self.  Or for that matter why even use a comp?  Just ride the fader perfectly accurately on every track while you're recording on the front side.  And limiters just make things too loud anyways.  And why in tarnation would ya need to EQ something unless it was recorded poorly??  Who needs any help at all??


Just joshin, a course, but you get me point.

Without even just a smattering of presets, the Eddie Kramer Collection would be a #FAIL, because it would then just be an effects chain with no selection and tweeking input from the "Producer" which is what the Sig Collections are all about. And Eddie himself says in the promo video that yes, he wants you to just "press a button and BLAMMO - you get the Eddie Kramer Signature Sound." He provides two, three, and 6 buttons on varying modules. That's all. No big deal. This is the whole point of this series - you get the signature settings as presets designed by the producers themselves. No one here ever went beyond that - because of course tweeks have to be done...sometimes.

While I agree with you 100% there BB, ol pal.  Eddie DOES say such a thing in the WAVES promo video.  False advertising??:-)

ohgrant


  Only Kramer plug I have now is the tape sim. It has loads of presets.  I confess I do use them as a starting point and tweek from there, esspecially an effect that has many parameters like the Kramer tape sim with questionable parameter titles such as "Wow and Flutter" and "Noise" 
I just can't see much logic in not using presets as a shortcut to get the sound your looking for. I don't really think setting all parameters up manually to get to the same place that getting close with a preset and some minor tweeks would have taken you. Same destination just different road. If someone wants to choose the scenic route that's OK with me. Just not my thing. 

Pretty much exactly the way I work Grant.


Occasionally, as I pointed out in earlier in this thread, I've been blessed to have a preset actually be what I wanted (or thought I wanted) without a tweak.


Sometimes, to me, the preset argument/debate is much like the synth vs. paid player argument of the 80's. Not that I expect anyone to turn around in 20 or 30 years from now and say "oh man, how did we ever live without presets", but the debate seems vaguely familiar (to me).


Like you, I believe those who take the "scenic route" are entitled to their belief that it's the "only way" and for them it is. I just ask them to consider not saying (to the public at large) "presets don't work" without at least a "for me, YMMV" qualifier. But, I can't demand that now can I?


And yes, I support the argument that "presets don't necessarily teach you how/why it does what it does". To which I say, maybe just maybe, some people (the home hobbyist) might not care beyond "a compressor does this, a limiter does that and an EQ does the other stuff".


I can tell you that I (even as a computer programmer) cannot tell you how a hard drive is actually written to, but I still know how to use one effectively in my computer. Maybe a weak analogy, but the same could be said about my audio interface or the electronics in my synth.


JMO, YMMV.

FYI...Just picked up Waves Eddie Kramer Artist Signature Collection Native for 73.99 @ AudioDeluxe.com. Now thats a great price.

I love Kramer Master Tape.

Yeah, the MT is one of my secrets in Mastering punk bands. I can easily grab another 2 or 3 db to get to my goal of -6db Average levels in the actual Master. It does a pretty good job while thickening up the mix without much distortion. The J37 also does this well, but I would love to see a directly configured Flux dial on the J37 as the KMT does.
 
Yes, that's correct that the EK Signature plugs' presets are only maybe two per plug-in and are on the GUI itself. That's definitely to provide a good starting point. After that, yes, use your ears. I like presets sometimes, but mostly I don't use them. I determine if the plug-in will work vs. the presets. If I have to go through the presets to find a sound, perhaps this is the wrong plug-in for what I'm seeking.
As for the expense, i buy everything from Waves on Sale. That's really the best way. I still don't care much for the WUP, but I understand why it's there. Once all the plug-ins are really sold, unless new ones are selling hotly, they don't have as much revenue to keep the hundred or so existing plugins updated. I suspected this was also why they went to using WaveShell.