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2010/12/01 23:58:23 (permalink)

Are EVP's real or a hoax?

There's been a lot of ghost hunting type shows on TV lately and they all claim to capture voices from beyond the grave on digital recorders.

They call them EVP's, Electronic Voice Phenomenon's.

Basically they do an investigation at a supposed haunted site, let a digital recorder run the whole time, and when they play it back they hear responses to questions they asked that they didn't hear responses to at the time of the recording.

Is this all bull pooey or is there something to this? Has anyone here ever done this and gotten any results?




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    Re:Are EVP's real or a hoax? 2010/12/02 00:32:42 (permalink)
    I have EVP's in my DAW.

    Oh wait.... that just my singing (un-FX'd)


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    Re:Are EVP's real or a hoax? 2010/12/02 08:52:02 (permalink)
    I personally think it's like the "backwards masking" phenomenon of past years..... if you listen hard enough and then prompt a willing audience to "hear certain words and phrases" in the noise.... always by suggestion of course, because no one would ever hear that to start with on their own...... yeah you can get people to believe all sorts of things.

    My favorite was Led Zepplin's live version of Stairway to Heaven, where the announcer  said.... "now, if we run that part backwards you can "clearly" hear the demon speaking through Plant as he says.... Satan my sweet Satan, I want to live it backwards like the Zep who's number is 666"   ok...........  if you heard it and the announcer never told you that, you'd never make that connection.

    As far as the show.... they have the ability to do edits and then you "hear" the ghost/spirit answer the question.... ahhh the majic of overdubs.

    And then there is the most recent president giving a speech, that run backwards, sounds like he's saying "Serve Satan"...... huhhhhh?  Now that one I could believe.



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    Re:Are EVP's real or a hoax? 2010/12/02 09:54:43 (permalink)
    Play Bapu voice recording backwards and you'll hear the same gibberish a palindrome.
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    Re:Are EVP's real or a hoax? 2010/12/02 10:11:24 (permalink)
    I don't know but I enjoy watching them scare each other.

    I did see a door open and close last night while watching the Ghost Hunters
    at the Stanley Hotel ( one in The Shining movie).
    Sure enough, they left a camara running in room 401, I think, while the guy was sleeping and a glass on the nightstand busted and the closest door opened...he woke up, checked things out, went back to bed and then the closet door closed....pretty weird.
    Bapu you weren't there were you?

    I can't believe half of the things I see living people do or say so don't worry much about
    the dead ones.
    Houdini said, or so I heard, that if there was a way to come back he'd do it.
    I haven't heard from him or seen him do any tricks.


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    Re:Are EVP's real or a hoax? 2010/12/02 10:36:42 (permalink)
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    My favorite was Led Zepplin's live version of Stairway to Heaven, where the announcer  said.... "now, if we run that part backwards you can "clearly" hear the demon speaking through Plant as he says.... Satan my sweet Satan, I want to live it backwards like the Zep who's number is 666"   ok...........  if you heard it and the announcer never told you that, you'd never make that connection.
    I've always been fascinated by backmasking. Some of it is intentional, some of it is pure coincidence. I did an entire web site dedicated to backmasking years ago. The "Satan my sweet Satan" line has been misinterpretted a lot. I had a cassette of what you are refering to. IIRC it was some preacher named Noel or Joel Landis.
     
    The Beatles did a lot of it. The beginning of Taxman where they are counting in the song ... backwards, "Yes I know, all the Earth will know." Clear as a bell. The most incredible bit of backmasking I've ever heard though is by Queen. The acapelo part on The Prophet's Song is Freddy telling the story of how he caught his boyfriend cheating on him and names the dude!
     
    What the heck, here is my old web site (It's only 5MB). Please, whoever downloads this, please don't post any of it on the web. Also, there is some explicit lyrics that may be offensive to some listeners. Unzip everything to a folder on your desktop and double click 'index.html'. You should see 3 folders and one file named 'index.html' You'll have to ok Active X when asked, it uses some old school web programming for the graphics.
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    Re:Are EVP's real or a hoax? 2010/12/02 11:05:55 (permalink)
    When you listen to something, you can hear what you want to hear. It's a very well documented phenomenon.  Go to this video: Audio Myths Workshop and skip forward to 5:25 (the whole video is an hour long) and listen to Poppy Crumb's presentation.  Our ears can be fooled quite easily.



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    Re:Are EVP's real or a hoax? 2010/12/02 11:28:56 (permalink)
    On the back masking topic.... I heard a tune that someone actually took the time to learn the lyrics backwards.... then recorded it and then reversed it.... so the song was actually playing forward and you could hear the words....  it was interesting to hear it.

    It was on a radio show (The Doctor Demento Show) that was on late at night and this guy played some pretty weird and at times some pretty cool tunes....
    especially this one>> Pencil Neck Geek

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    Re:Are EVP's real or a hoax? 2010/12/02 12:17:51 (permalink)
    I don't worry about back masked messages.  I'm not concerned about EVPs.  As far as I'm concerned, the straight-forward, direct, intentional communication aimed in my direction is horrific enough.
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    Re:Are EVP's real or a hoax? 2010/12/02 12:38:43 (permalink)
    So the ghosts are talking all the time, answering questions, chatting up a storm.

    But the only time anyone can actually hear them is when some ghost hunters show up with their digital recorders?

    Sorry, but that may be the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard - everyone knows ghosts prefer analog.
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    Re:Are EVP's real or a hoax? 2010/12/02 12:45:00 (permalink)
    Guitarhacker

    It was on a radio show (The Doctor Demento Show) that was on late at night and this guy played some pretty weird and at times some pretty cool tunes....
    especially this one>> Pencil Neck Geek

    I have his autograph. He was at a McDonald's in Port Jervis NY and my brother happened to be there and got some autographs for me. I was a huge WWF fan back then. He was there with Cpt. Lou and Brutus Beefcake. LOL.

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    Re:Are EVP's real or a hoax? 2010/12/02 16:52:37 (permalink)
    I can't comment on ghost hunting without violating the no-religion TOS clause.


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    Re:Are EVP's real or a hoax? 2010/12/02 17:26:59 (permalink)
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    I can't comment on ghost hunting without violating the no-religion TOS clause.


    Amen to that!! (I mean, yes) I agree.

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    Re:Are EVP's real or a hoax? 2010/12/02 17:34:31 (permalink)
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    I can't comment on ghost hunting without violating the no-religion TOS clause.


    You can get around the TOS, if, instead of posting your comments here, you broadcast your psychic energy.

    Just let me know when you're ready to start so I can get out my crystals and put on my ionizer bracelet and pyramid hat.
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    Re:Are EVP's real or a hoax? 2010/12/02 17:41:19 (permalink)
    It's been my experience that the ones which are hoaxes tend to be hoaxes. The real ones are definitely real.
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    Re:Are EVP's real or a hoax? 2010/12/02 17:56:21 (permalink)
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    It's been my experience that the ones which are hoaxes tend to be hoaxes. The real ones are definitely real.

    (or are they?)
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    Re:Are EVP's real or a hoax? 2010/12/02 17:58:48 (permalink)
    Perhaps...or not.  Jus' sayin'...

    (Could go either way.)
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    Re:Are EVP's real or a hoax? 2010/12/02 18:10:19 (permalink)
    You ever notice the "Celebrity" Ghost Story shows they have now always feature has-been celebrities.  Just a coincidence, I'm sure.

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    Re:Are EVP's real or a hoax? 2010/12/02 18:16:24 (permalink)
     
    I'm certain that people hear what they are expected to hear.
     
    If you suggest a house is haunted, any noise you hear will be a ghost or spirit, not the plumbing.
     
    Advertisers use this technique all the Pepsi.
     
     

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    Re:Are EVP's real or a hoax? 2010/12/02 19:55:17 (permalink)
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    You ever notice the "Celebrity" Ghost Story shows they have now always feature has-been celebrities.  Just a coincidence, I'm sure.


    They're just a "ghost" of their former selves?

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    Re:Are EVP's real or a hoax? 2010/12/02 21:38:15 (permalink)
    The ones you see on TV are hoaxes. The concept of the device is flawed and will not record how the dead communicate. Ghost Punters is bull****. The dead are buried in the earth, that is where their spirits reside. There is no recorder that will capture emotional images.

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    Re:Are EVP's real or a hoax? 2010/12/02 21:57:09 (permalink)
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    The ones you see on TV are hoaxes. The concept of the device is flawed and will not record how the dead communicate. Ghost Punters is bull****.

    That's kind of what I was thinking.

    The dead are buried in the earth, that is where their spirits reside. There is no recorder that will capture emotional images.

    I'm not sure where I stand on it. I've had 2 things happen to me along the lines of the topic at hand, I guess that's why I'm so intrigued by EVP's and the paranormal.
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    Re:Are EVP's real or a hoax? 2010/12/03 07:49:01 (permalink)
    The one thing that strikes me about these alleged voices is that they have absolutely nothing
    of interest to say.

    Is the afterlife that dull?

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    Re:Are EVP's real or a hoax? 2010/12/03 08:56:50 (permalink)
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    You ever notice the "Celebrity" Ghost Story shows they have now always feature has-been celebrities.  Just a coincidence, I'm sure.
    That's because the current celebrities are still alive...  How do you captcha "voices from beyond the grave" from people who are still this side of the grave?
     
     

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    Re:Are EVP's real or a hoax? 2010/12/03 23:42:35 (permalink)
    Hoax.........A mic responds to changes in air pressure. Therefore, a ghost's voice would have to be generated by lungs forcing air past vocal cords and then shaped by lips. Therefore, the ghost would have to have a physical body to produce sound.  In other words, how could a "spirit" produce sound? If this doesn't sound logical, then go to the ads section of one of the "inquirer" gossip mags and ask one of those professional psychics, and for a small fee, you'll get the "real" answer...........Ron  
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    Re:Are EVP's real or a hoax? 2010/12/04 00:41:54 (permalink)
    I hear what you are sayin' savageopera and agree 100%. What they claim is though, the voices are in a certain frequency range and are inaudible until the recording is filtered.

    I always wanted to try it and see if I caught anything, but I'm half afraid to. I mean, if I did it and actually caught something in a recording, it would change my views on everything about life and death.

    I used to live about a mile away from one of the places they investigated this season on that Ghost Hunters show on Sci Fi.
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    Re:Are EVP's real or a hoax? 2010/12/04 01:21:00 (permalink)
    I used to watch Ghost Hunters all the time, mostly because I thought it was funny how they were misusing equipment they didn't understand. I can't say whether EVP exists or not but they have never presented any evidence that couldn't have been easily faked.

    In one of their very first episodes They had some EVP that was supposedly from a little ghost girl. I downloaded the audio file from their website (back when they made their evidence public), cleaned it up a bit and clearly heard a man cuing a little girl to say her "EVP line" by whispering "NOW". There were other anomalies in their audio files that convinced me that all their EVP were faked for entertainment purposes. One that sticks in my memory is that even though this tape recorder was left running to record dead people in an empty room, you could clearly hear the tape deck shut off after the little girl whispered her line.

    There are a lot of con-men, and con-women, making a lot of money out of the current ghost craze, but none of them has ever produced any kind of evidence that can be considered credible. Anyone can take a tape recorder, go into a house filled with a film crew and come out with EVP. I MIGHT take it seriously when someone records EVP in a laboratory with a dozen scientists standing around making sure nothing is faked.
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    Re:Are EVP's real or a hoax? 2010/12/04 01:42:29 (permalink)
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    There are a lot of con-men, and con-women, making a lot of money out of the current ghost craze, but none of them has ever produced any kind of evidence that can be considered credible. Anyone can take a tape recorder, go into a house filled with a film crew and come out with EVP. I MIGHT take it seriously when someone records EVP in a laboratory with a dozen scientists standing around making sure nothing is faked.
     
    On last years Ghost Hunters Halloween Special there was one part where the back of one of the guys jackets got pulled in a downward direction by a 'ghost' several times. You could tell it was him doing it because he had his hand in his pocket whenever it would happen. He probably had a wire jammed up the lining of his coat and sticking out in his pocket and he yanked on it.
     
    What always made me think these guys had a tiny shred of credibility is, they did these investigations for free for anyone for many years before they ever had a show. What probably happened was, the network exec's went to them and said, hey fella's, we can make you a fortune if you find more ghosts, wink wink. If you remember, when the show first started, it was rare that they would find anything, now it seems they are having full blown conversations with the dead every week.
     
    Another show that is just flat out not right imo, is that psychic kids show. They take these mentally disturbed teenagers who think they can see dead people and tell the future and encourage them to continue to do so. That's borderline child abuse in my book.
     


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    Re:Are EVP's real or a hoax? 2010/12/04 12:52:29 (permalink)
    They had one of those shows here at the USS Lexington - a former navy aircraft carrier that saw extreme action in WWII.

    They were deep in the ship with the recorder running and the guys would be talking to each other-  stuff like " hey did you hear that" or "It's coming from over here".  But when they played the tape back you could hear the spook talking, but not hear the guys making all the noise when they were talking to each other.  Must have used a spook-pass filter.



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