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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
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☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2016/03/02 14:16:34
eph221
There are different levels of musicianship. Cave men banged bark, was the cave man a musician? Is ozzy osbourne a musician?
Anyone who makes music is a musician. What's your point?
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/02 14:02:00
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There are different levels of musicianship. Cave men banged bark, was the cave man a musician? Is ozzy osbourne a musician?
Not fair ... Ozzy is a CLOWN, not a singer or musician!
Music is not about notes and chords! My poem is not about the computer or monitor or letters! It's about how I was able to translate it from my insides!
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/02 14:07:52
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2016/03/02 21:37:37
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eph221
There are different levels of musicianship. Cave men banged bark, was the cave man a musician? Is ozzy osbourne a musician?
Not fair ... Ozzy is a CLOWN, not a singer or musician!
Wipe your feet, you just trod in yourself again.
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/02 14:08:05
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eph221
There are different levels of musicianship. Cave men banged bark, was the cave man a musician? Is ozzy osbourne a musician?
Anyone who makes music is a musician. What's your point?
Exactly. Of course, one could append any number of appropriate epithets to the term - good/bad, pro/amateur etc. What might actually prove more taxing might be to try and accurately define "music".
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/02 14:16:56
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eph221
There are different levels of musicianship. Cave men banged bark, was the cave man a musician? Is ozzy osbourne a musician?
Not fair ... Ozzy is a CLOWN, not a singer or musician!
Wipe your feet, you just trod in yourself again.
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
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☄ Helpfulby Beepster 2016/03/03 14:51:56
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There are different levels of musicianship. Cave men banged bark, was the cave man a musician? Is ozzy osbourne a musician?
Not fair ... Ozzy is a CLOWN, not a singer or musician!
Ozzy "wrote" the melodies to much of the material he sang. I keep seeing some of his ex-collaborators (rightfully frustrated over royalties) dismissing his creative input. As someone who has written a gazillion "instrumental" songs and unfinished projects for lack of a vocal line, I believe that coming up with a good, catchy/memorable melody is not that easy. Anybody who think they can dismiss Osbourne's entire catalog with Black Sabbath and as a solo artist is a joker. I get the impression that Ozzy is a lot smarter than he likes to show... Because, yes he IS a clown. But I have a feeling that there's a lot more to the man than that persona.
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/02 16:15:36
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2016/03/02 21:38:20
Sounds like some folks need to watch less reality TV and listen to more early Sabbath.
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/02 16:17:27
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singers are the first musicians.
In the early church, only vocal music was considered appropriate for performance in a religious setting. Instrumental music was considered profane.
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/03 09:55:17
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eph221
There are different levels of musicianship. Cave men banged bark, was the cave man a musician? Is ozzy osbourne a musician?
Not fair ... Ozzy is a CLOWN, not a singer or musician!
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I get the impression that Ozzy is a lot smarter than he likes to show... Because, yes he IS a clown. But I have a feeling that there's a lot more to the man than that persona.
Agreed. But some folks here would rather be rude and not get the joke in reverse! Sadly, they are just being defensive about the songs they like, and that has specifically NOTHING to do with music, or people's opinions of said subject!
Music is not about notes and chords! My poem is not about the computer or monitor or letters! It's about how I was able to translate it from my insides!
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/03 13:58:10
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/03 14:02:00
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eph221
ohmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ohmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
60Hz hum?
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/03 17:24:55
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batsbrew
singers are the first musicians.
In the early church, only vocal music was considered appropriate for performance in a religious setting. Instrumental music was considered profane.
And that's practically all I listen to these days - a bunch of albums by Harry Christophers and the Sixteen in particular, sacred music for choir. Such as -   Perfect background music to read a book, too. The exact opposite of Wagner. :P
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/03 18:08:17
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"Wagner's music is better than it sounds."
~Mark Twain
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/03 18:35:33
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"Wagner's music is better than it sounds."
~Mark Twain
"He contaminates everything he touches -- he has made music sick." Nietzsche And of course: 
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/03 19:22:05
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BRILLYANT!!!
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
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Hi,
Wagner is OK under the right circumstances ... his music, without the singing is OK ... check out how Werner Herzog uses Wagner in "Nosferatu" and it comes off quite alright ... and different, but I can not get into any of his operas and find them rather ... boring.
Music is not about notes and chords! My poem is not about the computer or monitor or letters! It's about how I was able to translate it from my insides!
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/05 14:43:18
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☄ Helpfulby Rain 2016/03/05 17:41:04
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/05 18:35:57
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Everyone misunderstands Nietzsche! It was OUR god that died, the one we created. He never said God or gods don't exist. He wasn't an atheist in the truest sense. He had a deep-seeded ambivalence to them.
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
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☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2016/03/06 13:57:17
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Everyone misunderstands Nietzsche!
My thought exactly - and you've just provided a brilliant demonstration.
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/06 13:27:20
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eph221
Everyone misunderstands Nietzsche! It was OUR god that died, the one we created. He never said God or gods don't exist. He wasn't an atheist in the truest sense. He had a deep-seeded ambivalence to them.
+1 Without stepping too far into religion here.... I by accident studied this back in my college days (I liked a girl taking a German lit class...So....  ). According to scholars, the 'God is Dead' statement was meant by Nietzsche to be ironic..a paradox in that Gods by their nature -indeed by definition - are immortal. Nietzsche was talking about men and Mankind - the human condition. I never got the girl, but some of that German literature makes you think. Especially the stuff written just after WWI. Heavy.
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2016/03/06 14:04:28
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
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YES... but what about the guy who played tambourine for The Moody Blues? I figure he must have been a writer, IDK.
WAIT... does this mean that William Shatner is a musician?
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
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Anybody who think they can dismiss Osbourne's entire catalog with Black Sabbath and as a solo artist is a joker.
I get the impression that Ozzy is a lot smarter than he likes to show... Because, yes he IS a clown. But I have a feeling that there's a lot more to the man than that persona.
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A good show is a good show ... and he knew how to play to the media to stand out. That's perceptive in a way!
Music is not about notes and chords! My poem is not about the computer or monitor or letters! It's about how I was able to translate it from my insides!
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/08 11:00:36
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I originally said, "Yes," but I have to place a condition on that. If they can only read TAB, then they aren't really musicians no matter how well they sing
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/08 12:02:58
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YES... but what about the guy who played tambourine for The Moody Blues? I figure he must have been a writer, IDK.
Ray Thomas? Played the flute too. Usually wrote a couple of songs per album, generally the (most) soppy ones, although I did like 'Dear Diary'. My sister had one of his solo albums, it was like aural marzipan.
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