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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/08 12:25:00
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Everyone misunderstands Nietzsche!
My thought exactly - and you've just provided a brilliant demonstration.
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/08 13:24:54
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Everyone misunderstands Nietzsche! It was OUR god that died, the one we created. He never said God or gods don't exist. He wasn't an atheist in the truest sense. He had a deep-seeded ambivalence to them.
Heck, even Robert Monroe would support Nietzsche ... however, how he said it was very different ... that entity was not dead, but getting around it, was/is very hard because of the consolidated energy around it.
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/08 19:20:12
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/09 11:16:26
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Otis Redding... OK?
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Not OK ... I had tickets for that show in Madison, on that fateful day that Lake Monona played .... God!
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/09 16:10:14
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My roommate and I wrote a piece called *lands of make believe* and the first verse went:
I ran into Bilbo, walking across the street
I said Mr. Baggins wont you take me to your tree
He said I was welcome but I had to close my eyes
I agreed but I knew it was just one of his lies
Lands of make believe are cruel fairy tales at best
your senses leave but find no place to rest.
The Spock video reminded me of it. Was he trying to tell me he was raped as a child? I should have been nicer to him.
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/09 22:22:55
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*Pfft...* ALL lands are make believe. 
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/09 23:24:29
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Well, the other interpretation was that he was raped by a hobbit. (?)
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/10 09:36:13
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*Pfft...* ALL lands are make believe.
Shouldn't this say that "all lands HAVE some make believe"? Just like the Coffee House!
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/10 11:49:25
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Nope. Though it could have said "ALL realities are make believe."
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/10 12:00:36
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No , singers are NOT musicians .
I've heard things that have sent chills up and down my spine and put a lump in my throat just by attempting to sing .
Yoko'd.
Now, now, let's be fair. Yoko is NOT a singer. Comparing her to nails on a chalkboard would be unfair to the chalkboard.
AND ... she has never claimed to be a singer, and in many ways, what she does is not different than Damo Suzuki's work with CAN, with the exception that some folks just hate Yoko ... it's really sad, to see that ... like John could not have had his choice, and it was Yoko.
If you compare Yoko and Damo Suzuki, I IMMEDIATELY have stop writing here to get not banned for at least 1 year, bye! 
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/10 13:05:13
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/10 13:22:32
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I could compare her voice to a Suzuki, but it wouldn't be Damo.
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/10 13:25:51
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I could compare her voice to a Suzuki, but it wouldn't be Damo.
I'd much rather listen to the car or motorcycle than Yoko...
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/10 13:40:37
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jamesg1213
I could compare her voice to a Suzuki, but it wouldn't be Damo.
I'd much rather listen to the car or motorcycle than Yoko...
I'd rather be run over by one...
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/10 14:04:36
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Why, oh why, did that guy have to shoot John? I mean, with Yoko standing right there... The Beatles could have got back together! 
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/10 14:13:55
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On one of my YouTube meanders recently I happened upon a Julien Lennon interview where he spoke of his bitterness about having to buy personal stuff like postcards and letters that his father had sent him from Yoko to stop them going to auction. No love lost there.
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/10 14:39:27
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She certainly is a piece of work!
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/10 17:19:18
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If you compare Yoko and Damo Suzuki,
I IMMEDIATELY have stop writing here to get not banned for at least 1 year,
bye!
Actually it is not that surprising since he was "busking" in those days, but then so was one of the theater scenes in Germany (Peter Handke), who went on to write film. His plays were even worse ... when Burroughs was (supposedly) 7,452 words pick up, Peter's were worse ... no sentences or anything ... just words out of order in any order and it was (and IS) an actor's nightmare! But we managed to do one play of his at UCSB, a one act play! .... (I did all the technical aspects for the 3 plays done that night!). Even Klaus Kinsky came from that group of folks!!!!! All in all it was an interesting thing that had started much earlier with the idea that any combination of "noise" was "sound" and therefore, music in some form. AND, there were a lot of theatrical events that specially worked on sound/sounds and created theater without words, the famous "Living Theater" being the one that stood out the most. What Damo did, and Yoko did, was a part of all that ... but Damo, is trying to make it sound like it was something else more artistic, and Yoko, at the very least, has not told you and I that she was trying to be this or that, or be musical or what not. It was what it was, which was what her "art" was all about ... the famous white wall with a single black dot in it ... In many ways, it was nothing but "defiance" in the name of artistic freedom ... and you are imposing the same restrictions on her! You have to help us all ... defend the arts ... in its many form ... otherwise, you and I and all others have no chance whatsoever. A little love and respect would help also, I think for John's appreciation and love!
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/10 19:49:15
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☄ Helpfulby jamesg1213 2016/03/11 03:24:00
She is merely a fleck of vomit in the parking lot of life.
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/13 11:11:59
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Moshkito
Pragi
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If you compare Yoko and Damo Suzuki,
I IMMEDIATELY have stop writing here to get not banned for at least 1 year,
bye!
Actually it is not that surprising since he was "busking" in those days, but then so was one of the theater scenes in Germany (Peter Handke), who went on to write film. His plays were even worse ... when Burroughs was (supposedly) 7,452 words pick up, Peter's were worse ... no sentences or anything ... just words out of order in any order and it was (and IS) an actor's nightmare! But we managed to do one play of his at UCSB, a one act play! .... (I did all the technical aspects for the 3 plays done that night!). Even Klaus Kinsky came from that group of folks!!!!!
All in all it was an interesting thing that had started much earlier with the idea that any combination of "noise" was "sound" and therefore, music in some form. AND, there were a lot of theatrical events that specially worked on sound/sounds and created theater without words, the famous "Living Theater" being the one that stood out the most.
What Damo did, and Yoko did, was a part of all that ... but Damo, is trying to make it sound like it was something else more artistic, and Yoko, at the very least, has not told you and I that she was trying to be this or that, or be musical or what not. It was what it was, which was what her "art" was all about ... the famous white wall with a single black dot in it ...
In many ways, it was nothing but "defiance" in the name of artistic freedom ... and you are imposing the same restrictions on her! You have to help us all ... defend the arts ... in its many form ... otherwise, you and I and all others have no chance whatsoever.
A little love and respect would help also, I think for John's appreciation and love!
Sorry, but imo no way to accept Yoko as a musician, but as an artist of the (avantgarde) fluxus movement. To keep it simple: she never had a grooving song.
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/13 12:24:13
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 Yoko's Greatest Hits?
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/14 18:23:14
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Yoko's Greatest Hits?
Nahhh ... you don't need that ... but the albums she did with John, and the sex noises and anything else ... were actually a lot more fun. You see, one of my old friends, loved playing those albums, and he would do it slower, faster, and backwards, and ... yeah ... all of a sudden they were magnificent fodder for the background, with the TV channels switching, and some other music going in the middle of it, and then ... (no kidding) some other stuff done live on the microphone, that would not be ... appropriate to mention on this board ... if you can think it hard enough, you know what it is. I'll just say that farts backwards are hilarious and an incredible Bapu ... I mean yakk! I used to call these "mind melts" ... because they were great to listen to ... one other one, played PF and showed a similar keyboard theme in at least 4 different pieces ... along with "Astronomy Domine" and the national anthem, and Jimi Hendrix and Groundhogs (Amazing Grace) ... it used to be a good 2 to 3 hours non-stop and it was a total radio experience like no other.
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/20 13:44:28
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As one alluded to on an earlier post, "What is a musician?"; I would add, What is a singer? And, what is a composer and what is a lyricist? One can only hope to capture the deep philosophical definition of the collective entity in it's parts where manifestation may be it's complete definition, or by only parts yet still retain the true to definition. I can go on, but this video should clear up any question as to true musicianship and lay this question to rest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWOzUzJd6wM The video is to the point.
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/20 14:15:04
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/21 09:14:57
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Ha! I remember that. No where NEAR the worst music video ever though...
Try the following - IF YOU DARE!!!!!  
http://www.nwdreamer.com/download/NotForTheSqueamish.wmv
(Have a puke bag ready. You have been warned!)
Busted link ... what the heck ... we have a record collection, and I even have Derek and Clive ... so thinking that something is squeamish seems petty! Yoko has a right to live and do, just like Mick Jagger ... we calling him a musician, now? Or some of those turkeys from AC/DC? (watch Strummy puke, now and say hahahahahahaha ... out loud!)
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/21 14:33:33
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Busted link? Worked fine just now for me...
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
2016/03/30 00:32:53
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Singers are the people who like to hang out with musicians.  Seriously, though, some are musicians, most aren't. If you ask one, however, she'll kindly tell you that she thought that she was the only musician in the room (whenever she remembered to check). This really happened: where I teach, three kids (7th graders, if memory serves; you know, the age when kids are almost human) came to me and asked if they could record Adele's Rollin' in the Deep. After I repressed a strongly-felt need to hurl (I truly despise that tune), I said, "Sure", and the trio trundled into the recording booth. They gathered around the mic and I asked them what I sincerely believed to be an obvious question: "Where are your backing tracks?". The three looked back at me like I had just asked them to explain quantum physics. I clarified by saying, "You know, they're the background recordings and/or MIDI sequences of drums, guitars, keyboards, bass, and anything other instruments that Adele has in her band playing the song." They answered in unison (and I know I will remember this until the day I die), "She has a band?". I looked on the internet for about five minutes, quickly found a MIDI file for it, and loaded it into the DAW. We were set for tracks. The trio gathered around the mic and started singing. What I saw at that point clearly showed me that they were ready for yet a second minor revelation. I said to them, "Um, did you happen to notice that only Adele was singing lead on that song? The other singers were singing back-up. How much do you want what you're trying to do to sound like the original?" The three answered (as I had correctly assumed they would) that they wanted to sound as much like the original as possible. I replied, "I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest then, that since you are a group of one girl and two boys, Marisa sings the lead and Sean and Doug sing the background vocals." Sean and Doug did quickly learn the background vocals. They recorded all the parts and they were not too shabby for seventh graders.
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Re: Are singers actually musicians?
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