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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/13 03:14:28
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No...That's not what he's looking for. He wants a feature that "disarms" previously "armed" tracks when selecting a particular track for recording.
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/13 03:27:07
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I think the OP's original suggestion is a good one. You could simply toggle the behavior you want and that's that as they say. Excellent. Put me down for that version. I too have accidentlly recorded over a previously recorded track by arming a new one and forgetting to disarm another that went out of view.
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/13 03:53:49
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Seriously...is just double-clicking the red light in the status bar too much to handle? After remembering this a couple times it quickly becomes a habit to glance down at the status bar to check when things are muted/soloed/armed and double-clicking them to get rid of them...
I'm more upset by accidentally hitting record arm on the track folder rather than the 1st track in the folder and get 6 copies of a single guitar part. Maybe Sonar should pop up a dialog box informing me that 6 tracks (or at least multiple tracks) set to the same physical input are all armed since that seems like something I probably don't want to happen.
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/13 03:57:31
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I too have accidentlly recorded over a previously recorded track by arming a new one and forgetting to disarm another that went out of view. That probably wouldn't have happened if you had been looking at an actual tape recorder instead of a computer monitor, right? Maybe there's still some life in us old geezers who still remember the terms "sel-sync", "tape bias", azimuth adjustment", etc.,...For the record, many of us "old geezers" did accidentally erase (yes, there was no "undo" in those days) some great takes when we were beginners, but we immediately learned what the consequences were and realized how important it was to pay strict attention to what we were doing.
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/13 08:25:29
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Ummm...Why were you replying to me? I thought my post was fairly clear.
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/13 08:56:36
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I don't want to be argumentative but I can't see where lazy comes into it. Let me explain why I need this feature.
I've been recording a band and have a whole lot of tracks 58 to be axact and the guitar on track 55 has just been done and it was a really good take. The sax player was listening and he says " that was awesome. It made me think about how I could really make my part come to life moe, can I do another take, I say "Sure you can" Rather than add a new track I go back to the sax part (he's on track 12) and make sure I'm set to do multiple layers in the same track, I arm track 12 and we go for it. The status bar only tells me I'm in record mode not how many tracks are armed. When I'm mixing later i find this extra track layer recorded for the guitar.
You see when I went from guitar back to sax I had to scroll the window and I missed (maybe someone talking to me, whatever I was distracted) that the guitar track was still in record mode. No real harm done I can just delete the extra track layer but for the way i work it would be nice in some projects to be able to toggle the behavior. ie a switch that would let me select "Record only one track at a time" by being able to toggle it would give me a safety net when I felt I needed it. Any other time it would be business as usual.
We have all sorts of toggled positions to accomodate particular workflows I don't think its lazy on my part because I want this one.
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/13 09:03:45
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I have read the thread and I understand what the OP is asking for. As an aside, I have often felt the layout of the arming /input buttons are very poorly implemented as they are. Personally, I would much rather see us have the ability to move the buttons to the transport controls as a unifed module. Think of the basic layout of a multi track tape recorder where the arming and tranports can really be dismounted from the machine or remoted and placed anywhere within reason and they certainly all would be grouped together. For anyone that uses multiple monitor screen, it would be totally natural and instictive to place transports, postion and arming/input buttons together on a 2nd screen.
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/13 09:03:54
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The benefit I was suggesting with something like the bcf2000 was not some feature option that it adds to Sonar, but the fact that it allows you to SIMULTANIOUSLY engage things like mute, solo and record for multiple tracks at once. Since I see that the reason you want this is not so much that you don't want to have to click multiple times but rather to be sure that you are not engaged with another record enable someplace, thus recording the same thing on two tracks and possibly overwriting something elsxe, this may not really benefit you. Like some others have mentioned above, having the "global mute, solo, record" (playback state) tool bar exposed would at least let you disable all record enables at once with one click, even if they weren't showing on the screen at that moment. I was not able to find a way to "keybind" this or set it for "remote control" by a button on a midi controller or something. I suppose you may be able to use one of the macro utilities (not built in to Sonar, but third party freebies are available...such as autohotkey, which you can find at www.autohotkey.com). You may be able to throw something quick together with that to assiciate with a single keystroke to essentially push the "unengage all record enables at once". Hope that helps.
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/13 09:22:41
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ORIGINAL: mike_mccue
"To Mike mcue: What happened? I don't remember seeing you in that ugly mask you wore earlier."
I think I explained myself fully... I don't like lazy people!
edit to: I wasn't replying to papa... sorry for any confusion papa... I should have made the effort to click the correct reply button. :-)
No problem...I've already been called a belligerent troll in another thread...
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/13 09:29:49
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ORIGINAL: altima_boy_2001
Seriously...is just double-clicking the red light in the status bar too much to handle?
Erm... I gotta agree here. It certainly doesn't rank up there with some of the other features that rattle the cage. If I had my druthers, I'd rather be able to click and drag over the MSR buttons on multiple tracks to mass solo/mute/record enable or disable. It's far more often I need to do that than I need to isolate a single track for arming whilst disarming tons of others. And like it's been said, that's what the GLOBAL buttons are for on the bottom. (I mean really, it's ONE extra click)
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/13 09:38:23
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ORIGINAL: nhb
Have you tried checking "allow midi recording without an armed track" in Global options. Of course this only works with midi, but then you can just jump from track to track without worrying arming tracks at all. This is my preferred method of working with midi, and you can only record on one track at a time this way. Interesting. I'll look into that. Doesn't solve the audio recording issue, but might the MIDI side of things, which isn't negligible. Thanks. ORIGINAL: BluesMeister
Not quite. If one track is already armed, the OP wanted to know if *that* armed track would automatically dis-arm if he then armed a second track so that only one track at a time could be armed. I've fallen for this trap too when an armed track has scrolled off the screen and I've armed another track. Minor nitpick, but I never wanted to know if arming a track would disarm the others. As a 10 year user of the product, I'm aware of the current behavior.  What I was actually asking for is if a toggle existed to modify said behavior (the answer is no, it doesn't; so it was requested as a feature). Since the OP, I've seen some people agree that it would be a nice feature to have, others who don't see the need but have nothing against the idea per se, and then there's mike_mccue... who's called me names and insulted everything from my work ethic to intelligence level just for bringing up the question. Perhaps not surprisingly, he has yet to soften his position despite a growing list of people asking what that's all about. It's all good, and not a very big deal (the big deal was made over mike's hostility, not the option). ORIGINAL: ...wicked
Erm... I gotta agree here. It certainly doesn't rank up there with some of the other features that rattle the cage. I'm not sure when this became a contest of "Isn't my suggestion better than his?" Again, and as stated multiple times previously, I never set out to revolutionize the recording industry with my question; I just wanted to make my own life easier, which is what I thought feature suggestions were intended for. But if we're going to be rated by the importance level of our suggestions, then heck, I'll once again bring up the idea of allowing MIDI tracks to output to multiple outs simultaneously, or adding the Archive button in the track view alongside Mute and Solo (like we have for folders) so we don't have to go through a right-click-prompted menu tree to archive a single track. The solo-arming thing *is* a minor quibble. One that I don't feel deserved mike's hostile (and continued) overreaction. That's all. -mjs
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/13 10:01:58
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Hey, Recording Takes Allot of work, its not a one button process. How much easier do yuo want it to be.??? You do know how it used to be, right, so why all this fuss about pressing the "R", my god, i just dont get this at all. so what if you have to depress the other "R's" on the other tracks that you want to disarm. So what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/13 10:07:42
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ORIGINAL: CJaysMusic
Hey, Recording Takes Allot of work, its not a one button process. How much easier do yuo want it to be.??? You do know how it used to be, right, so why all this fuss about pressing the "R", my god, i just dont get this at all. so what if you have to depress the other "R's" on the other tracks that you want to disarm. So what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/13 10:27:17
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ORIGINAL: CJaysMusic
Hey, Recording Takes Allot of work, its not a one button process. How much easier do yuo want it to be.??? You do know how it used to be, right, so why all this fuss about pressing the "R", my god, i just dont get this at all. Huh? What does how hard recording used to be have to do with this? Let's just stop evolving the product right now, because that straw man argument could be thrown at any new idea. I hear The Beatles recorded Sgt Pepper with nothing but a hairpin, toilet paper and rocks... so every advancement in home recording since has been superfluous.  so what if you have to depress the other "R's" on the other tracks that you want to disarm. So what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
Cj And what I just don't get is why you guys think this is a big deal when all we're doing is REPLYING TO YOU. Please calm down and consider the big picture here : People like you come in this thread, try to trivialize or outright insult us for a feature suggestion, and then start getting upset (as you currently are) when we won't roll over and accept that we're wasting everyone's time. And each and every time you come in and try to hammer the point home that it's a useless feature (as it is your right to do), those who feel it isn't will respond (as it is their right to do). And the thread will get longer; and by the looks of things, increasingly hostile. Do you realize that you're actually losing it because you can't get the last word, here? You want to be able to say it's a useless feature and have everyone else fall silent. If that's the case, may I suggest a break from the forums? Because your and mike_mccue's combined and continued whining about this thread are only keeping it (and its allegedly useless feature suggestion) on top of the forums. ORIGINAL: mike_mccue
I didn't "call you names" I said I think you're lazy... and I said I think you are whining.
"I've been using the software for 10 years and counting."
And you still haven't made disarming a record ready track part of your engineering routine? Did I really insult your intelligence? Yes, you flaming hypocrite. Several times. Everything from lazy, to whining, to unintelligent (which I doubt anyone will disagree was implied in the text I just quoted)... but hey, as long as we're not insulting each other or calling each other names, eh? And you've also seen me state several times that I do make disarming an armed track part of my engineering routing, but that mistakes still happen. But I don't think anyone expects you to be posting in good faith at this point. Just like I've yet to see you call anyone else lazy or unintelligent for adding their voices to mine in wishing for the same feature you've insulted me for simply bringing up once. As for whining, all you've done in this thread is whine. Who do you think you're fooling here? Does that type of projecting really work, usually? But hey, it's all good. You never whined or insulted anyone. And the price of gas is at an all-time low. -mjs
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/13 10:40:24
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ORIGINAL: mike_mccue
(more whining snipped)
Don't you have an off switch, mike? How about we suggest that as a new feature? -mjs
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/13 10:42:31
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ORIGINAL: mike_mccue
be my guest.
So the answer is no, then.  -mjs
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/13 22:23:24
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ORIGINAL: CJaysMusic
uh, no it wont and it shouldnt. How would you record mutiple tracks then??. What the OP wants is to be able to toggle the recording option between one track at a time and multiple tracks. Its easy to just depress the "R" when your done recoridng. If you cant keep track of what your recording, then, hey, i cant help you with that.. I wasn't asking for your help, Charles. the OP was, I clarified his post to make it easier to understand. This is my opinion, so flame if you must, but its a free world, so live with it... You can be a source of great help when you so choose, I wouldn't stoop to the level of flaming unless severely provoked. [EDIT] Oops, I see the flaming's already started. Time for me to vacate this thread. [/EDIT]
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/18 14:47:04
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ORIGINAL: mike_mccue
last word? Promises, promises. I agreed to disagree and went to sleep last night. No, you agreed to insult the OP, and went to sleep last night. Then I woke up and found that you had entertained yourself most of the evening characaterizing me as a hostile person... and even took the time to make inaccurate statements about what I said to you. No, then you woke up and found that I didn't let your insults stand pat, and called you out on them. Which clearly isn't something you are accustomed to dealing with, as you continue to add to this thread in the hopes of achieving... I'm not quite sure what, exactly. If you want to have constructive conversations you might want to develop an ability to accept other peoples opinions without flying off the handle and getting so emotionally distracted. Said the pot to the kettle. When I re-read this thread, the first person I see flying off the handle is you, completely unprovoked. Everything that happened afterwards stems from that first whinefest on your part, the subsequent insults, and the continued inability to recognize where you erred in this thread. The worst I can be accused of -- and I confess that it would be a valid accusation at this point -- is going an eye for an eye with you. Click your heels together and dream... you may get the feature you have requested. Oh, shove it up your hypocritical arse, mike. -mjs
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/18 15:08:36
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ORIGINAL: mjs
or adding the Archive button in the track view alongside Mute and Solo (like we have for folders) so we don't have to go through a right-click-prompted menu tree to archive a single track.
WERD. I'd take that in a second. And the obvious next step is to be able to archive while transport is running. But yeah, it's incongruous with the GUI and just plain frustrating that we can't one-click archive using a button since it already exists for a different type of "track".
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/18 16:03:32
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bloatware
implementation
alt+click = rec arm: disable all+enable current
on alt+click call code that disarms all track.
Arm Track.
I think sonar would grow by about 10 bytes.
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/18 17:53:03
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MJS,
Being relatively new to the DAW world, and therefore, new to this forum, I just want to chime in hear and say your question was a legitimate one for those of us who record their projects one track at a time. It is not a matter of whether or not it is too tedious to click off the previously armed track, it's a matter of sometimes during the long and detailed process of recording mistakes can be made. Anything to make the process more adaptable to ALL users is not asking too much. I would hope that having a Global option for this purpose available would not cause others, who do not require its use, excessive stress just knowing the option is available.
I'm coming from 20 years of owning/operating a mostly analog tracking studio. These days I do it only as a hobby, and to satisfy my creative needs.
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/18 18:23:36
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ORIGINAL: mike_mccue
honestly,
When I say "I think you are lazy" I am consistently refering to you as "you".
"Lazy" is functioning as a adjective.
I'm not an expert at English grammar, but I do belive whining is a verb.
I disagree on your claim that I have used the word "unintelligent". I just don't think that ever happened.
BTW I am aware of the defintion of "vitriol".
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mike
Woah Mike. Cool down buddy. I too find that I have been burned a few times with multiple record arms, and I find it VERY F****** TEDIOUS to expand all my tracks to check if its armed. However, I was UNAWARE that there was a way to disarm all the tracks at once. Thanks to this thread I now know. So thanks to the OP for his very helpful question. And you Mike, go, get out into the sunshine and relax a bit. Your responses here are WAY out of line and VERY insulting to both the OP and those of us who have struggled with the same problem. I also suggest that an apology is to the OP is in order. I hope you have a better few days. Shad
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/18 19:29:19
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Seems to me that if Sonar's Global options can accommodate an "Allow MIDI recording without an armed track" option, it should be able to accommodate an "Arming a track for Record unarms other currently armed tracks" option. The two options seem kind of inversely akin to each other. Neither is wholly necessary. Neither is entirely useless. Both are idiosyncratic. Most users'll probably never notice either option exists. I can think of a bunch of other things I'd happily trade both of those options for. ORIGINAL: mjs
But if we're going to be rated by the importance level of our suggestions, then heck, I'll once again bring up the idea of allowing MIDI tracks to output to multiple outs simultaneously, or adding the Archive button in the track view alongside Mute and Solo (like we have for folders) so we don't have to go through a right-click-prompted menu tree to archive a single track.
Double yeah.
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2008/06/18 19:34:56
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ORIGINAL: mjs
or adding the Archive button in the track view alongside Mute and Solo (like we have for folders) so we don't have to go through a right-click-prompted menu tree to archive a single track.
WERD. I'd take that in a second. And the obvious next step is to be able to archive while transport is running. But yeah, it's incongruous with the GUI and just plain frustrating that we can't one-click archive using a button since it already exists for a different type of "track".
That's the result of software by accretion rather than software by design. Is there really a way around that, other than starting over from scratch? Mature software chokes on its own tentacles.
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