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Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
Is there an option anywhere to disarm a track for recording when another becomes armed? In other words, to record only 1 track at a time -- especially in MIDI. I don't know how many times I got caught accidentally recording on multiple tracks and I can't remember a single instance of ever having to. I'd just as soon make it so clicking a "R" button to arm will disengage all other armed tracks.
I realize I can click the red ARM flag at the bottom to clear all armed tracks before arming one, but that's just as tedious as disarming whichever track I recorded on last. I'd really rather automate this.
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/12 19:14:41
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ORIGINAL: mjs
Is there an option anywhere to disarm a track for recording when another becomes armed? In other words, to record only 1 track at a time -- especially in MIDI. I don't know how many times I got caught accidentally recording on multiple tracks and I can't remember a single instance of ever having to. I'd just as soon make it so clicking a "R" button to arm will disengage all other armed tracks.
I realize I can click the red ARM flag at the bottom to clear all armed tracks before arming one, but that's just as tedious as disarming whichever track I recorded on last. I'd really rather automate this.
Many others *do* record multiple tracks at a time so this would need to be a user-selectable option...a "Record Solo" for lack of a better word. I recommend you submit a feature request to CW. http://www.cakewalk.com/support/featurerequest.asp
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/12 19:43:18
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Wow, some of you guys sure are quick to get defensive (and judgmental) when faced with needs that differ from your own.
I'm not sure where all this hostility is coming from (re: Mike), but considering the default option is to simultaneously arm several tracks, and that I was asking if there was a way to make it *stop* doing this, I thought it was pretty clear that I was referring to a SELECTABLE way to turn on solo-arming (for lack of a better term). So I'm not sure why Mike is acting like someone stole candy from his crib; because if such an option DID exist, it would only help the people who'd *want* to turn it on... just like every other option in Sonar no one is under any obligation to modify.
Yeesh.
PS: Thanks, Andy. I'll submit the idea.
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/12 19:48:37
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mjs.. you mean things like say you play 1 sound. it plays a few, e.g. soft synths etc?
it's the omni thing. I do use other things, and well I know what you mean about the focus is ONLY the track you highlighted. That aspect intially was confusing for me. It would have been easier if it was set the other way around , so that it focused on one track and an option to toggle multi on.
I guess it's not an issue if your recording a lot of audio / live things, but with midi the way I used it was just to specify specific midi channels.
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/12 19:51:20
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Wow, some of you guys sure are quick to get defensive (and judgmental) when faced with needs that differ from your own. Chuckle....He must be having a bad day.
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/12 19:53:19
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One thing that you can do now is try to adopt the habit of checking the (R)ecord Arm button on main toolbar before you arm an individual track for recording. If it's RED, then click it, and all the existing record arms will be disarmed. Uh...never mind. This was referenced in your original post...before the mini-firestorm. (Actually, I think it's a reasonable trade off.)
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/12 19:58:38
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ORIGINAL: mjs
Wow, some of you guys sure are quick to get defensive (and judgmental) when faced with needs that differ from your own.
I was thinking the same thing...
Yeesh.
PS: Thanks, Andy. I'll submit the idea.
No problem.
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/12 20:01:06
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ORIGINAL: mike_mccue
The default is based on a 40 year old metaphor.
I'm hostile because I don't want your request, which you is inspired by your inability to overcome tedium, to turn my license of SONAR into bloatware.
best regards,
mike
Are you serious? Since when did your method of working become *the* method of working? I agree, I don't want SONAR to become bloatware but asking for a user selectable "Record Solo" doesn't sound like bloatware to me.
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/12 20:32:27
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ORIGINAL: mike_mccue
edit to add: But if you guys do succeed in bloating her up... I'll deal with it. I will not whine. I will not use laziness as an excuse!
With all due respect, mike(and I really mean that)....I don't consider the OP request to be "whining". JMO. I could see how this could be useful to some users(and I rarely record only one track at a time).
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/12 21:24:44
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I hope we can agree to disagree.
Agreed! 
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/12 22:05:29
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ORIGINAL: mike_mccue
I admit that if someone finds it useful then it's a useful feature.
But it is my opinion the OP was whining. So if someone finds it useful (ie, me) then it's a useful feature. Except when you don't find it useful. Then it's not, and the OP is just "whining". No offense, and "with all due respect", it's people like you who turn me off to posting here. Because the only one of us whining is you. And I challenge anyone reading this thread to see it any other way, because all I did was ask if a certain option existed. That's when you got hostile and whined about the question. But by all means, feel free to continue to spin this any way you like. It's not like people like you have ever been prone to humility or recognizing when they might've been responsible for polluting their own environment. How's it feel to be so severely judged, Mike? At least credit me for reading a few posts from you before doing it. You did it after one. And not even seeing your fellow forum posters asking why you're being so hostile is enough to make you realize that you were.
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/12 22:23:57
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mjs...you could use a device like the behringer bcf2000 to do something that approaches what you are looking for. You can press multiple "record enable" buttons at the same time. So, if you had track 1 enabled and wanted to enable track 5, you can simultaniously push the rec enable button on both tracks and it would toggle both to the opposite setting they were at.
I'm not suggesting that you go spend $199 to get this function, but it would allow it among so many other things that it can do.
HTH
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/12 22:28:46
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ORIGINAL: mjs
ORIGINAL: mike_mccue
I admit that if someone finds it useful then it's a useful feature.
But it is my opinion the OP was whining.
So if someone finds it useful (ie, me) then it's a useful feature.
Except when you don't find it useful. Then it's not, and the OP is just "whining".
No offense, and "with all due respect", it's people like you who turn me off to posting here. Because the only one of us whining is you. And I challenge anyone reading this thread to see it any other way, because all I did was ask if a certain option existed. That's when you got hostile and whined about the question.
But by all means, feel free to continue to spin this any way you like. It's not like people like you have ever been prone to humility or recognizing when they might've been responsible for polluting their own environment.
How's it feel to be so severely judged, Mike? At least credit me for reading a few posts from you before doing it. You did it after one. And not even seeing your fellow forum posters asking why you're being so hostile is enough to make you realize that you were.
Well said! Cheers Mike
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/12 22:42:59
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ORIGINAL: Blades
mjs...you could use a device like the behringer bcf2000 to do something that approaches what you are looking for. You can press multiple "record enable" buttons at the same time. So, if you had track 1 enabled and wanted to enable track 5, you can simultaniously push the rec enable button on both tracks and it would toggle both to the opposite setting they were at.
I'm not suggesting that you go spend $199 to get this function, but it would allow it among so many other things that it can do.
HTH
I'm not quite sure what it is you're suggesting or how it relates to what I'd like to see in the software (because Sonar has no problem arming multiple tracks at once), so I'll just assume my original posting wasn't very clear and try to remedy that here. Essentially, I'd like a toggle in the Global Options that would, when arming a track, disarm all other tracks... so that there could ever only be 1 track armed at one time. I came to the conclusion that this would be useful after realizing that in over 10 years of home recording, I never once had to record to more than 1 track at once... especially in MIDI. I usually just record to one track, then move on to the next. On rare occasions, I'll forget to disarm an armed track that is no longer visible on-screen (ie, I'd have to scroll to see it) and arm a second one to record something else. The result, as you might imagine, is the same part recorded on two tracks. Assuming I'm lucky enough to spot this immediately after I recorded a new clip (and believe me, I'm embarrassed to say I've sometimes saved and closed projects before realizing this happened), then a simple Delete Clip will fix this. However, it becomes more complex when dealing with clips that overlap on the same track. Sometimes, you're not even sure which piece of clip is the one you just accidentally recorded (because like I said, the other armed track is usually offscreen). So I sometimes have to zoom in to find the superfluous event, select it, and delete it... then disarm the track that was mistakenly left armed, return to the actually intended armed track, and resume recording. And that's when the accidentally cloned clip's start time doesn't coincide with another pre-existing clip. Because if it does, then there's a chance Sonar will choose to put the pre-existing one on the foreground, hiding the new one from sight altogether. This only needs to happen to a smart man once or twice before he starts wondering why old tracks are left armed when a new one has just been armed. Being not such a man, it took me 10 years of accidents like these before asking myself that question, earlier today. ;-) So while I do not claim to belong to a majority with this behavior of recording on only one track at a time, I doubt I'm the only one on the planet. As such, I thought there might exist a toggle in the Global Options to turn on "solo-recording" (or "solo-arming", for lack of a better term). Apparently, there isn't. So Andy kindly directed me to the proper page to recommend the feature in a future version, which I wasn't going to bother doing until mike_mccue so nicely talked me into it. ;) I now intend to make it my life's mission to make sure the feature gets implemented. Ahem. - mjs
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/12 22:59:54
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I'm not at my Daw..... But maybe there is a key binding that is toggled to global disarm ? Or generically track disarm, If so.. then maybe you could scroll to your next intended track and click the key binding before arming and feel sure that your not overwriting unintentionally. I've gotten caught at deleting critical tracks because of the same issue of having the tracks out of view selected. I had to develope the habit of having numlock off and hitting numpad 5 everytime I delete a track or clip. At those times I wish Sonar had a dialogue that would tell me mutiple tracks or clips were selected. Though that would get tedious real quick tp scroll through an extra window. One things for sure... you can't satisfy all possible work flow scenarios.... Sonar does an great job at 90 % of them though.
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/12 23:06:23
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This forum is crawling with people who get their rocks off criticizing other people's posts. It's bizarre. You're better off not engaging with them. If you can ignore that type of thing, you can get very valuable information here. ORIGINAL: mjs
Wow, some of you guys sure are quick to get defensive (and judgmental) when faced with needs that differ from your own.
I'm not sure where all this hostility is coming from (re: Mike), but considering the default option is to simultaneously arm several tracks, and that I was asking if there was a way to make it *stop* doing this, I thought it was pretty clear that I was referring to a SELECTABLE way to turn on solo-arming (for lack of a better term). So I'm not sure why Mike is acting like someone stole candy from his crib; because if such an option DID exist, it would only help the people who'd *want* to turn it on... just like every other option in Sonar no one is under any obligation to modify.
Yeesh.
PS: Thanks, Andy. I'll submit the idea.
I have not changed my signature.
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/12 23:09:36
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I'm not at my Daw..... But maybe there is a key binding that is toggled to global disarm ? Or generically track disarm, If so.. then maybe you could scroll to your next intended track and click the key binding before arming and feel sure that your not overwriting unintentionally. I've gotten caught at deleting critical tracks because of the same issue of having the tracks out of view selected. I had to develope the habit of having numlock off and hitting numpad 5 everytime I delete a track or clip. At those times I wish Sonar had a dialogue that would tell me mutiple tracks or clips were selected. Then I have good news for you, my friend. Because Sonar does have a dialog indicating when a track - even one that's out of view - is armed. And you can click on it to disarm all armed tracks. This works with mute and solo as well. You'll find this dialog at the very bottom of your window, on the left of the audio resolution (which is itself located on the left of the Disk Space indicator, and real-time CPU usage graph). Like you, I've developed the habit of clicking on that dialog before arming tracks, but at times, I still forget to. A Global Option to enable solo-arming would put an end to the superfluous need to click that dialog each time I want to arm a track, though. Not saying it would revolutionize recording. Just make my life easier... which is what I thought feature suggestions were intended to do. One things for sure... you can't satisfy all possible work flow scenarios.... Sonar does an great job at 90 % of them though. Absolutely. It's why I've been unwaveringly loyal to the Cakewalk product since 1997, and will continue to be whether this gets implemented or not. It's not a big deal by any stretch of the imagination. It just didn't deserve the kind of venom and vitriol that mike_mccue shared with us on the subject. -mjs
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/12 23:22:05
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"Then I have good news for you, my friend. Because Sonar does have a dialog indicating when a track - even one that's out of view - is armed. And you can click on it to disarm all armed tracks. This works with mute and solo as well. You'll find this dialog at the very bottom of your window, on the left of the audio resolution (which is itself located on the left of the Disk Space indicator, and real-time CPU usage graph)." Yea.. that's understood.... but I'm was questioning if there is a key binding associated with it. I don't recall ever seeing one.... but I don't hang out of that window daily.  Plus .. I'm still on Version 5.0.. so I don't really hang out with all the cool kids anymore either.
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/12 23:43:11
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Yea.. that's understood.... but I'm was questioning if there is a key binding associated with it. I don't recall ever seeing one.... but I don't hang out of that window daily. My mistake, sorry. Plus .. I'm still on Version 5.0.. so I don't really hang out with all the cool kids anymore either. Wait, WHAT?! v5.0? Holy..! I can't be seen writing to you; go away! Shoo!
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/13 00:31:07
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What is happening here???? Is your question how to arm only a single track for recording?? : Arming only a single track at a time for recording.... Well just click on the R for the track you want to record in and make sure nothing else is armed. (nothing else should be armed unless you arm it yourself) See, that was easy...... Cj
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/13 00:54:25
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Is your question how to arm only a single track for recording?? Not quite. If one track is already armed, the OP wanted to know if *that* armed track would automatically dis-arm if he then armed a second track so that only one track at a time could be armed. I've fallen for this trap too when an armed track has scrolled off the screen and I've armed another track.
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/13 01:02:37
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Not quite. If one track is already armed, the OP wanted to know if *that* armed track would automatically dis-arm if he then armed a second track so that only one track at a time could be armed. I've fallen for this trap too when an armed track has scrolled off the screen and I've armed another track. uh, no it wont and it shouldnt. How would you record mutiple tracks then??. Its easy to just depress the "R" when your done recoridng. If you cant keep track of what your recording, then, hey, i cant help you with that.. This is my opinion, so flame if you must, but its a free world, so live with it... Cj
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/13 01:25:44
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Is there an option anywhere to disarm a track for recording when another becomes armed? In other words, to record only 1 track at a time -- especially in MIDI. mjs, Have you tried checking "allow midi recording without an armed track" in Global options. Of course this only works with midi, but then you can just jump from track to track without worrying arming tracks at all. This is my preferred method of working with midi, and you can only record on one track at a time this way. nhb
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RE: Arming only a single track at a time for recording... possible?
2008/06/13 03:03:01
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quote:
Essentially, I'd like a toggle in the Global Options that would, when arming a track, disarm all other tracks... so that there could ever only be 1 track armed at one time. I came to the conclusion that this would be useful after realizing that in over 10 years of home recording, I never once had to record to more than 1 track at once... especially in MIDI. I usually just record to one track, then move on to the next. On rare occasions, I'll forget to disarm an armed track that is no longer visible on-screen (ie, I'd have to scroll to see it) and arm a second one to record something else. The result, as you might imagine, is the same part recorded on two tracks.
Assuming I'm lucky enough to spot this immediately after I recorded a new clip (and believe me, I'm embarrassed to say I've sometimes saved and closed projects before realizing this happened), then a simple Delete Clip will fix this. However, it becomes more complex when dealing with clips that overlap on the same track. Sometimes, you're not even sure which piece of clip is the one you just accidentally recorded (because like I said, the other armed track is usually offscreen). So I sometimes have to zoom in to find the superfluous event, select it, and delete it... then disarm the track that was mistakenly left armed, return to the actually intended armed track, and resume recording. And that's when the accidentally cloned clip's start time doesn't coincide with another pre-existing clip. Because if it does, then there's a chance Sonar will choose to put the pre-existing one on the foreground, hiding the new one from sight altogether.
This only needs to happen to a smart man once or twice before he starts wondering why old tracks are left armed when a new one has just been armed. Being not such a man, it took me 10 years of accidents like these before asking myself that question, earlier today. ;-)
So while I do not claim to belong to a majority with this behavior of recording on only one track at a time, I doubt I'm the only one on the planet. As such, I thought there might exist a toggle in the Global Options to turn on "solo-recording" (or "solo-arming", for lack of a better term).
Apparently, there isn't. So Andy kindly directed me to the proper page to recommend the feature in a future version, which I wasn't going to bother doing until mike_mccue so nicely talked me into it. ;) I now intend to make it my life's mission to make sure the feature gets implemented. Ahem.
-mjs
Hi mjs,
Go to views/toolbars and check the playback state. i think this is what your looking for.
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