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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 19:04:45
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I'm happy with X2 - no crashes yet. I'm a big fan of X1 and it would only occasionally crash on me - I expect a few crashes here and there with X2 as well. Time will tell. I've never heard of a crash free daw program.
I did have a head scratching quick groups moment. But that aside, I don't see me opening X1 again to do my work. Really liking X2. The audio engine is great, and the tools are great as well. I think X2 may be the daw other developers start chasing now.
On Vista64 here too John. I don't see a big need to change at the moment.
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 19:09:53
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mudgel: the x79 pro is thunderbolt correct >? if so smart move !!
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 19:20:16
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Oh yeah I know you know what you're doing and as much as I rag on Vista I realize that it was the early releases that were the problem (I had to suffer through them at work and that's where my displeasure came from) and it did eventually become an extremely powerful and stable OS... but by then the name had been sullied in the consumers minds. Thus Win 7 getting pushed through and Vista support now being dropped well before its time. There just aren't enough people using it to make it worth coding to. Win7 obviously would not have been possible without Vista and I do believe you when you say it rocks out. The problem is it just ain't gonna be supported anymore and will probably just turn into a nuisance. I've seen good and bad reports in regards to Win8 and Sonar but I'm a very cautious fellow when it comes to computer stuff. It seems if I try to be even the slightest bit adventurous in my tech choices something screws up (thus this thread). I waited a goooood long time before dropping my beloved XP and I can say 7 really has stacked up quite well (however I do still like most of XP better because it's just easier to use to me). Just don't want to see my buddy get stuck with MSs latest experiment if it goes awry. Anyway I'm just rambling while I give my ears a rest before doing a quick master on my poopy project so don't mind me. I'm sure you have everything under control. Cheers, dude. ;-)
I can't argue with this. I think you have it well understood. I built this machine to run Vista. I have run Win 8 on it and it works well with it. I am pleased to report an improvement in core loading with Win 8. Which is encouraging. I am not a fan of metro. Nor do I want touch screen ability on my desktop. I have a tablet and touch works great for it but I would hate it on my two wide screen monitors. I have a nice mouse and a lighted keyboard for interacting with programs. MS needs to rethink their approach on this. We shall see how win 8 pans out. None of the preview MS OS's ever were the same as the final product.
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 19:24:36
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John: right now they have UEFI rootkit issue to deal with !! and just managed to patch IE Friday....1 day after the download !!
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 19:40:17
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@John... Duuuuuuuuude, let Win8 mature (or flop). Win7 Home and Pro will be supported through to 2018 and is tried and true. Then if 8 gets it's act together you have an easy upgrade path but if it flounders you won't be stuck with it and can move on to whatever MS releases to replace it. You're gonna need something before the first X2 patch methinks. I saw the bakers talking about how the current version of X2 will be fine for XP and Vista but as soon as they implement the touchscreen stuff it might bug right out on both OSs (please folks don't quote me on that it is just what I've gleaned from what they've said on the forum and may not be reality). Win 7 however is supported so you'd be safe on both the OS and Sonar fronts. I'm sure you've heard the Win7 arguments to the point of obnoxiousness at this point though but I'd hate to see you stuck. Anyway... finally got a mix I can master. Might be up on the songs forum later if all goes well. Cheers.
Beep I truly appreciate the concern you express. Believe me when I say I do know what I am doing.
No matter what you may have heard or read or even seen for yourself, Vista is a a great OS. My only issue is the premature loss of support its getting.
When you and other talk about Win 7 being good I believe you. I have run it but for me it did nothing more than I got with Vista. I know few understand that but it is a fact. Really the two OS's are nearly identical.
Actually with Win 7 you actually loose things that came in Vista Ultimate. I will grant the performance may be marginally better in Win 7. But for me its simply not worth the upgrade to receive little in return.
Win 8 is nearly out and the way I have my system setup changing an OS is as simpl as popping in a new HD using drive drawers. My system drive is in front in a removable drive using a drawer with a cradle. I run XP Linux and Vista.
I have 5 HDs on the system. and 3 HDs in drawer cradles.
Hi John... I'm with you here... I've got Vista 32 on a core2duo that's been running well with both 8.5.3 and X1dEx... and all the versions before it... and I'm just finishing setting up an interim machine here that has Vista 64 on a Quad... It too runs fine. With the various support I do for others it seems to me that Win7 is mostly the same as Vista... There are a few items but nothing major here... I also have Vista 64 running on a Mac Pro with dual Xeon-Quads and X1 runs just as well there, but only using 1 of the processors, so I must get Win7Pro this week to gain the use of the second processor for Win/Sonar... Keni
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 20:09:51
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What MS needs to do is have some kind of "Win XP/7" view. It sounds like the guts of it are way more powerful but the UI does not take into account how 90% or more of us work... particularly in professional settings. I have absolutely no use for touch screen capabilities and in fact just sitting at a computer puts me in epic pain after a while. I couldn't imagine having to reach over to my screen every time I want to do something. I know that isn't necessary but the UI seems to be designed that way and awkward to navigate the way we are all used to. I would like to get one of the Win8 tablets just to play around with it and from what I've seen it will be right at home there but it just isn't looking like they thought about us peripheral addicts when they designed Metro. Seriously if they made it so I could use 8 with Win 7 or XP UI I'd likely upgrade after I see it's stable and secure, but as is no way... and yes I'm just blathering because I taking another ear break. Thanks for all the input on X2, guys. Keep 'em coming. At this hour it ain't gonna happen until tomorrow anyway. Songs coming along surprisingly well though. This LP-64 stuff is pretty intense. ;-)
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 20:36:57
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I think I may jump in tomorrow, can still get Boxed versions, right? I won't attempt without, but like I said, 8.5, and X1 have been stable for me, so I'm hoping all will be fine. Thanks for all the info guys, we'll see if Betsy(puter), can hang with all 3! Wish me luck.
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 20:38:35
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I have had only 1 problem with x1 - it was a known bug. I have had one white screen so far over 3 days. I was inserting a waves reverb (latest version WITHOUT dongle) while the song was runing and Sonar ended. I noticed something different - cakewalk had captured the error and asked if I wanted to send it in. I answered yes - and I recieved a error report id in the email from cakewalk. Darn good if you ask me.
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 20:48:08
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mudgel: the x79 pro is thunderbolt correct >? if so smart move !!
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 20:58:58
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LoL Im Tired... P8Z77-V PRO/THUNDERBOLT, enjoy your 6 cores !!
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 21:00:56
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On on my iPhone and Safari is misbehaving not letting quote or edit post properly.
To Startekh: The ASUS X79 boards don't have Thunderbolt. Only one of the lesser boards in that range have FireWire. Mine is the X79 Pro no FireWire. I have a SIIG FireWire Card that I had to get from the US to ensure a TI chipset. It runs flawlessly. When I was building the system I couldn't find a TI FireWire PCIe card anywhere in Australia. Go figure!
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 21:15:38
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Mudgel: thats a killer system 3930 is a awsom processor, you dont have to answer !
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 21:34:58
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It is a killer system but I don't have anywhere to realy run it. After a year of planning and another 6 months our builder is only now about to start. Everything's in storage on my land in a big ol shed but not much room for audio gear setup. I've only just built the monster PC and tested it. All my useful stuff is on my laptop and the frustration is just about to kill me. I've now been a year without a studio setup of any kind, retired and going mad in one room with my wife while we continue to live with our daughter and family. X2 has been a welcome distraction and for being only a few days after release X2 is light years ahead of X even after being out for nearly 2 years.
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 21:42:57
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I am using X2 on Win 8 Enterprise X64 (Release to Manufacturing version).
I have had some goofy things happen with quick groups.
- add solo and mute to the same group... in the track view (not the inspector) clicking the solo toggles both, but clicking the Mute messes it up. In other words, I couldn't get things unmuted.
- I used quick groups to add the Channel Strip Emulator to 15 tracks (this worked... from console view, dragged across all the tracks and used a single one of the Pro Channels, holding down control key to add to all).
- Odd behavior as I started to convert them all to N Type. If you have two Console emulators in a quick group and one is S-Type and one is N-Type and you control click the S-Type to make it N-Type the N-Type moves over by one to become A-Type. This does not happen if one is A and one is N and you switch the N to A since the A has no where to move to the right. If they are the same, both N and you ctrl click A, they shift together.
Since there is a difference between Channel and Bus Console Emulators, I would prefer if that difference came first in the label so you could see the useful information upfront instead of a truncation of Console Emu... I know it's a console emulator... ha ha I don't know if I added Channel or Bus.
I absolutely love the full screen mode (F11).
I use a relatively old and cheap laptop which I got more than 5 years ago with Vista (I think anyway... round about there). It has 4GB RAM and the processor was slick for it's day. Processor and Memory get a 6.4 on Windows experience index for Windows 8. I've disabled the graphics Display Adapter and gone with Windows default to solve a DPC latency issue, so the Graphics Sub-score is 3.3.
I use a Line 6 tiny interface when traveling and an M-Audio Fasttrack Ultra at home. Nothing fancy and it's all working great. I've had one crash since upgrading and that was in a project I upgraded. I have had no issues with projects that started as X2.
Between X2 and Win 8, I'm definitely happier. Things are snappier. All is well.
On a side note, there's a loose screw between the chair and the keyboard that causes a problem (me). My work process follows this way... I work and work on my mix. I bounce, I listen, I mute the bounce, I listen to the tracks, I fix things, I delete the bounced mix, I bounce, I normalize, I multiband compression (lighter than light), I might use the channel tools to bring the louder side more center to balance the left and right channels, I normalize, boost11 to 1 DB or so, add clip fading > select the track, export > post for my friends > send out the link and race off to my day job
(did you see my screw up?)
Yep, I exported a muted clip. I do it all the time. Sometimes I burn the muted clip to CD haha.
I know it isn't a software bug, but it would save me some blank CDs if the software could advise after the export that all exported bits were 0 equivalent (I say equivalent b/c I don't think floats represent 0s precisely). I realize it wouldn't know until the export was done (maybe automation unmutes things), but after the export, it could advise me.
Thanks for listening.
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 21:46:18
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Win 8 Enterprise X64 (Release to Manufacturing version). lets hope cakewalk has a copy !!
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 21:52:42
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Noel announced a Win 8 patch is in the works.
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 22:16:36
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The biggest thing that has been bugging me in Win 8 is that shutdown seems to hibernate. If I hibernate or sleep without turning off my m-audio interface, the pc crashes when I bring it back up. If I turn off the m-audio first, no issues. So, when I'm in a hurry I just shutdown and then turn off all my other gear including the interface. But shutdown seems to hibernate. Executing Shutdown -s from the command line does an old school shutdown, but using the shutdown button (software button) seems to do something different and I can still get the crash if I haven't turned off the interface first.
The easy fix here is to shut off the interface and the hibernate, but it has been a break in my workflow that has taken some getting used to.
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 22:57:43
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Thanks for the input, guys. Tune is done so X2 goes on the DAW tomorrow... if I have the energy. ;-)
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 23:24:33
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John
No matter what you may have heard or read or even seen for yourself, Vista is a a great OS. My only issue is the premature loss of support its getting.
When you and other talk about Win 7 being good I believe you. I have run it but for me it did nothing more than I got with Vista. I know few understand that but it is a fact. Really the two OS's are nearly identical.
Actually with Win 7 you actually loose things that came in Vista Ultimate. I will grant the performance may be marginally better in Win 7. But for me its simply not worth the upgrade to receive little in return.
+1000 I have computers running both Windows 7 (internet, office etc.) and Vista 64 (DAW), I don't see Win 7 is worth the upgrade. (Cost in time and disruption as well as money). Vista is supported by Microsoft until April 2017 (extended support) but already third party software companies are discontinuing support. Who's to say you won't see the same thing happening with Win 7, its already 3 years old. When I change hardware I will go to Win 8.
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/23 23:26:34
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Yeah, I've been pretty psyched about it but I didn't want to blow anything up or impede my learning process. I'm feeling pretty confident about it now. ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!!! ;-)
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/24 00:40:04
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I'd say based on my four or five crashes (two in a row today!) that X2 64-bit on Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit is less stable for me than X1. I called X2 flakey and fully expect to see the first patch likely within a month's time based on the amount of issues folks are reporting on the forum.
My two most recent crahes were totally bizarre: I clicked on the ProCh tab of the Master and then clicked the Master in the Console view and X 2 crashed. This happened twice in a row.
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/24 01:20:02
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Hi Beep,
Although I would say that X1, with its d patch, was pretty stable for me, and X2 has crashed a couple of times over the weekend, this does not phase me at all. As John has said, for a first release, X2 is a pretty good piece of software.
I reckon that over the last three days it has gone through the mill with loads of peeps here pushing it to the limits with hundreds of different soft synths and effects, so I think the number of glitches coming to the surface is to be expected, in my opinion.
And X1 is still working fine for me, by the way.
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/24 02:51:52
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X1 was so bad that I went to another DAW. X2 is so good (so far) that I hope to be selling that other DAW soon.
I'm even using X2 with the beta OS5 for my Virus TI2 and haven't had it crash yet.
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/24 04:20:01
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It appears that I am only able to import audio from the browser, which is OK, but that the 'import audio' from the top drop down menus freezes Sonar (everytime) is not too good.
edit: it's working again now
post edited by backwoods - 2012/09/24 05:02:51
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/24 05:01:06
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Hey Beep,
Keep the thread going and let us know how you get on ....
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/24 05:23:51
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So far X2 hasn't crashed on me once, and that on both of my systems
X1 did seem a little "fragile" at times.
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/24 05:25:36
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Oi! Jonesey! When are you changing your signature then :p
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/24 05:40:25
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 Done!
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Re:At this point would you guys say X2 is as stable or more stable than X1?
2012/09/24 05:47:26
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So far X2 has been solid, no issues. Same with X1 though, so far both the same as far as stability goes.
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